We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
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We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

"biig" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote:

...

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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� �It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
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"biig" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote:

...

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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? ?It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what
it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Because some budgets are not infinite, professor.

On Dec 18, 10:24�am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

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"biig" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote:

...

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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? ?It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what
it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. �Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Because some budgets are not infinite, professor

That post wasn't offered to discuss their pocketbook, it was obviously
offered in hopes people would join in celebrating their enjoyment of
something they find pleasurable, not for yoose sick bi-polars to poo
poo their happiness. Can't any of yoose clinically depressed folks
ever look at the glass half *full*.... sheesh, so much resentment of
anyone enjoying their life. The poster didn't ask you to pay for
their greenhouse.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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? ?It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what
it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Because some budgets are not infinite, professor.
Amen, Mr. Sparebedroom. I don't believe Jack's post even mentioned cost or
monetary returns. Do these same "calculating" people haul spreadsheet to
every corner of their gardens to justify the time and cost of esthetic value
and personal fulfillment?
I had a 12 X 26 foot greenhouse when I lived in NW Montana. One end was
connected to the wall of the garage. I heated it with a wood stove, back up
propane heater and had lights (because of long winter nights). I figured it
cost me close to $120 a month to keep it up and running during the winter.
For the pleasure I derived working in my "vacation home", sitting on my
bench potting things up or grooming and fiddling with my plants in my warm,
peaceful greenhouse when the snow was blowing sideways drove away any
thoughts of cost. It was money better spent than one week in Hawaii. Some
things you can't put a price on. I'm sure you and wife will love your
greenhouse, Jack......until you decide you need a bigger one, this is the
only drawback of a greenhouse....no matter what the size, soon it's never
big enough

Val

Val wrote:

I'm sure you and wife will love your
greenhouse, Jack......until you decide you need a bigger one, this is the
only drawback of a greenhouse....no matter what the size, soon it's never
big enough

Sitting there with our beer and peanuts and book on tape this afternoon,
we pondered just where we are going to put all our start ups in Spring.
It's already far too small.

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:51:09 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
wrote:

"biig" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote:

...

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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? ?It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.

4-5 depending on what map you look at.

Lou

On Dec 18, 10:52�am, Lou Decruss wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:51:09 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
wrote:





"biig" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote:

...

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js

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? ?It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

From the snow, manner of dress, and native flora I'd guess zone 6-7.
As to electric bills their gardening is obviously a hobby, not a
business... no one does recreational gardening to save money. �Why do
so many people equate so much in their lives strictly with dollars and
cents... don't yoose ever enjoy anything just for the sake of pleasure
derived.

4-5 depending on what map you look at.

Yes, after perusing their web site it seems they're in Marengo Ill...
perhaps most of those photos are from a month or two ago, seems only
the one with snow is more recent... looks like a relatively mild
season for that area. I've been contemplating a greenhouse of sorts
myself, but I'm thinking more along the lines of a smallish (12' X
12') four season shed-like structure attached to my house, I need
something substantial if it's to hold up to the winters here... I'm
wondering how that plastic sheet structure will hold up to wind and
snowload, I don't think it would last very long here and I'm in the
same zone 5. And If I set it out somewhere in the open I'd not be
able to get to it very easily with the typical one and two foot+ snow
falls not to mention drifts over my head. The rear of my house faces
dead south so it's in full sun all year, but even so I wonder what it
would cost to heat! hehe What a stupid question, anyone installing a
greenhouse realizes it must cost something for maintaining temperature
in cold climes... as dumb a question as someone going to buy a yacht
and asking how many knots per gallon... yoose think golfers care how
much balls cost... that would be like someone buying an All-Clad pot
but can only afford to use it to cook ramen.

On Dec 18, 8:34 am, Sheldon wrote:
[snip] .... I've been contemplating a greenhouse of sorts
myself, but I'm thinking more along the lines of a smallish (12' X
12') four season shed-like structure attached to my house, I need
something substantial if it's to hold up to the winters here... [snip]
The rear of my house faces
dead south so it's in full sun all year, but even so I wonder what it
would cost to heat! hehe What a stupid question, anyone installing a
greenhouse realizes it must cost something for maintaining temperature
in cold climes...[snip]

And I'm not sure you need to think in terms of heating the whole shed/
room. A friend in Oregon has a stand-alone greenhouse about 8' x 12'
which he heats only a few days per the typical winter when they get a
hard freeze. The rest of the time he uses some kind of warming
devices that just keep seedbeds and pots/trays warm. Task lights on a
timer targeted for specific plants when he wants to jumpstart
something. This approach, he says, minimizes the electric bill. -
aem

biig wrote:


It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

Northern Illinois, whatever that is.

We just got an electric bill and it looks like about $125 for that
month. However, it is much colder now and we had to add another 1500W
heater to maintain 65F. Interestingly, this is exactly what was
predicted from the nifty calculator I found somewhere on the net.

You plug in the dimensions, material and desired temp and the lowest
outside temp and it came up with 3000 W. Allowing for various outside
temps and sunshine, I now estimate about $200 a month.

I have been arguing with myself and my wife about spending $50 a month
for high speed access and our frugality just says no but no problem with
$200 for a tomato.

We all have our priorities.

js


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On 12/18/07 11:08 PM, in article , "Jack
Schmidling" wrote:

biig wrote:


It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

Northern Illinois, whatever that is.

We just got an electric bill and it looks like about $125 for that
month. However, it is much colder now and we had to add another 1500W
heater to maintain 65F. Interestingly, this is exactly what was
predicted from the nifty calculator I found somewhere on the net.

You plug in the dimensions, material and desired temp and the lowest
outside temp and it came up with 3000 W. Allowing for various outside
temps and sunshine, I now estimate about $200 a month.

I have been arguing with myself and my wife about spending $50 a month
for high speed access and our frugality just says no but no problem with
$200 for a tomato.

We all have our priorities.

js


Be wary of going the high speed route - you'll never be able to go back.

C

"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
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biig wrote:


It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what
it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

Northern Illinois, whatever that is.

We just got an electric bill and it looks like about $125 for that
month. However, it is much colder now and we had to add another 1500W
heater to maintain 65F. Interestingly, this is exactly what was
predicted from the nifty calculator I found somewhere on the net.

You plug in the dimensions, material and desired temp and the lowest
outside temp and it came up with 3000 W. Allowing for various outside
temps and sunshine, I now estimate about $200 a month.

I have been arguing with myself and my wife about spending $50 a month
for high speed access and our frugality just says no but no problem with
$200 for a tomato.

We all have our priorities.

I'm not THAT fond of tomatoes....lol... I have a much smaller version
of your first one that I'll use to start things in the spring.
Sharon, on a pension and a tight budget.

On Dec 18, 11:08�pm, Jack Schmidling wrote:
biig wrote:
� �It would be interesting to know what growing zone you are in and what it
did to your electric bills.....Sharon in Canada, zone5

Northern Illinois, whatever that is.

We just got an electric bill and it looks like about $125 for that
month. �However, it is much colder now and we had to add another 1500W
heater to maintain 65F. �Interestingly, this is exactly what was
predicted from the nifty calculator I found somewhere on the net.

You plug in the dimensions, material and desired temp and the lowest
outside temp and it came up with 3000 W. �Allowing for various outside
temps and sunshine, I now estimate about $200 a month.

I have been arguing with myself and my wife about spending $50 a month
for high speed access and our frugality just says no but no problem with
$200 for a tomato.

We all have our priorities.

If you place a desktop PC in your greenhouse you can capture all the
heat it expels.... might just pay for your high speed connection. But
$50/mo seems rather high... here in NY Verizon charges $30 for DSL and
they have an introductory offer of the first three months free, and
with DSL you don't need to pay for an extra phone line. Also with
DSL for a few more dollars you can opt for higher speed, I pay $2/mo
more for almost double speed, the next higher speed (T1 line) is much
higher but so is the cost. These days it's a false economy using dial
up... the only reason to use dial up is if no other option is
available where you live.

Jack Schmidling wrote in news:13mfhl7kohgk3f8
@corp.supernews.com:

We have always dreamed of having a green house. This one isn't exactly a
dream come true but it was a place to start.

I have put together a Greenhouse page for more background, pictures and
a place to post futures pictures of our activities therein.

js


I'm going to have to make sure that the next time I get over to the States
is going to be around October..... in whatever year :-)

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Brisbane
Australia


Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
And planned to do some kissing.
Jack made a pass
and grabbed her ass
Now two of his teeth are missing.