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I have a silver maple that I planted in the spring of 2007. The trunk
is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter, and stands about 9 to 10 feet tall.

North Texas storms have been coming through, and the tree now has some
damage about 4 foot up the trunk.

See the pictures here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26129857@N02/

I've heard of bark tracing, cutting away the rough edges, as close as
you can to where the bark is solidly attached to the tree. Problem
is, the bark is peeling off on more than a 180 degrees of the
circumfrence.

I'v also heard of wrapping it with duct tape, and checking it every
three months.

What is the best method to repair this type of damage?

Is it a good idea to keep it covered, or will direct sunlight be more
beneficial? Maybe some velcro straps to keep the bark as close to the
inner trunk as possible?
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Good question

The tree should have the mulch kept back at least 6" from the trunk. Also
why is the tree staked? I would think about planting a new tree correctly
because of the degree of cambium die back. The tree must of had a severe
wound which led to this situation. You can wrap black plastic with moss on
the inside and moist. However you have to have living cells. That tree is
in bad shape. As far as scribing -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...ing_wound.html

Some common problems with tree you should be aware of is


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Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
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www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
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I have a silver maple that I planted in the spring of 2007. The trunk
is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter, and stands about 9 to 10 feet tall.

North Texas storms have been coming through, and the tree now has some
damage about 4 foot up the trunk.

See the pictures here...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26129857@N02/

I've heard of bark tracing, cutting away the rough edges, as close as
you can to where the bark is solidly attached to the tree. Problem
is, the bark is peeling off on more than a 180 degrees of the
circumfrence.

I'v also heard of wrapping it with duct tape, and checking it every
three months.

What is the best method to repair this type of damage?

Is it a good idea to keep it covered, or will direct sunlight be more
beneficial? Maybe some velcro straps to keep the bark as close to the
inner trunk as possible?



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I have a silver maple that I planted in the spring of 2007. The trunk
is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter, and stands about 9 to 10 feet tall.

North Texas storms have been coming through, and the tree now has some
damage about 4 foot up the trunk.

See the pictures here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26129857@N02/

I've heard of bark tracing, cutting away the rough edges, as close as
you can to where the bark is solidly attached to the tree. Problem
is, the bark is peeling off on more than a 180 degrees of the
circumfrence.

I'v also heard of wrapping it with duct tape, and checking it every
three months.

What is the best method to repair this type of damage?

Is it a good idea to keep it covered, or will direct sunlight be more
beneficial? Maybe some velcro straps to keep the bark as close to the
inner trunk as possible?


Maple bark peeling
http://web.extension.uiuc.edu/askext...AskSiteID =84

"What you've described is probably a frost crack. It is very common on
Norway and red maples, due to their thin bark. ............... and is a
response to extreme fluctuation in temps between night and day.
But trees have their own way of healing themselves, without help from
us...The wood around the wound begins to produce special compounds in its
cells that put up a barrier to stop decay. This is called
compartmentalization. Any attempt to "help" on our part can breach that
barrier and further problems can result. My advice is to wrap the trunk
during the winter months for the next few years, until the tree is older,"


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Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

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I have a silver maple that I planted in the spring of 2007. The trunk
is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter, and stands about 9 to 10 feet tall.

North Texas storms have been coming through, and the tree now has some
damage about 4 foot up the trunk.

See the pictures here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26129857@N02/

I've heard of bark tracing, cutting away the rough edges, as close as
you can to where the bark is solidly attached to the tree. Problem
is, the bark is peeling off on more than a 180 degrees of the
circumfrence.

I'v also heard of wrapping it with duct tape, and checking it every
three months.

What is the best method to repair this type of damage?

Is it a good idea to keep it covered, or will direct sunlight be more
beneficial? Maybe some velcro straps to keep the bark as close to the
inner trunk as possible?


Maple bark peeling
http://web.extension.uiuc.edu/askext...AskSiteID =84

"What you've described is probably a frost crack. It is very common on
Norway and red maples, due to their thin bark. ............... and is a
response to extreme fluctuation in temps between night and day.
But trees have their own way of healing themselves, without help from
us...The wood around the wound begins to produce special compounds in its
cells that put up a barrier to stop decay. This is called
compartmentalization. Any attempt to "help" on our part can breach that
barrier and further problems can result. My advice is to wrap the trunk
during the winter months for the next few years, until the tree is older,"




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On Apr 29, 9:12*pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"

wrote:
Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. *But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old wounds
and injuries. *Most cracks start from the inside out. *There are cracks that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.


Wrong. *Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. *They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. *Without seeing a tree how can *you make
such an assessment? *You're kidding, right?



I've already stated this was caused by storm damage.

Not frost. Not lack of water. Not from the heat. Not from where the
mulch is. Not because its staked. Not from improper planting. The tree
is healthy.

It was not there, the storm went through, now its there. 60-80 mph
straight line winds will do that to anyones tree, regardless of the
greenness of their thumb.

The question was how to repair the damage.

A few days ago, I cut a paint roller brush down the length of it and
wrapped it around the area, to try to prevent any further damage.
When I looked at it yesterday afternoon, it had done a pretty good job
on its own starting to heal. Not as much bark is separated from the
inner trunk. I used some kitchen shears to cut away the jagged edges
of bark and formed an oval shape.

We'll see how it goes.

Sorry to come off short, but I see this all too often in newsgroups.
I appreciate anyone who has helpful comments.

Thanks.



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wrote:

On Apr 29, 9:12*pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"

wrote:
Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. *But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old wounds
and injuries. *Most cracks start from the inside out. *There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.


Wrong. *Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. *They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. *Without seeing a tree how can *you make
such an assessment? *You're kidding, right?



I've already stated this was caused by storm damage.

Not frost. Not lack of water. Not from the heat. Not from where the
mulch is. Not because its staked. Not from improper planting. The tree
is healthy.

It was not there, the storm went through, now its there. 60-80 mph
straight line winds will do that to anyones tree, regardless of the
greenness of their thumb.

The question was how to repair the damage.

A few days ago, I cut a paint roller brush down the length of it and
wrapped it around the area, to try to prevent any further damage.
When I looked at it yesterday afternoon, it had done a pretty good job
on its own starting to heal. Not as much bark is separated from the
inner trunk. I used some kitchen shears to cut away the jagged edges
of bark and formed an oval shape.

We'll see how it goes.

Sorry to come off short, but I see this all too often in newsgroups.
I appreciate anyone who has helpful comments.

Thanks.


http://www.treeboss.net/tree_bark.htm

Bill

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.


Wrong. Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. Without seeing a tree how can you make
such an assessment? You're kidding, right?


Ok, share you pictures of you dissections proving your point. You have
dissected trees, right? Just show me the pictures of your dissections.
Then maybe I will believe you.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


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On Apr 29, 9:12 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"

wrote:
Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old
wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.


Wrong. Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. Without seeing a tree how can you make
such an assessment? You're kidding, right?



I've already stated this was caused by storm damage.

Not frost. Not lack of water. Not from the heat. Not from where the
mulch is. Not because its staked. Not from improper planting. The tree
is healthy.

It was not there, the storm went through, now its there. 60-80 mph
straight line winds will do that to anyones tree, regardless of the
greenness of their thumb.

The question was how to repair the damage.

A few days ago, I cut a paint roller brush down the length of it and
wrapped it around the area, to try to prevent any further damage.
When I looked at it yesterday afternoon, it had done a pretty good job
on its own starting to heal.

- Oh really? Trees heal wounds? Please explain. Trees compartmentalize
wounds and they do not heal. You blew it right there. Heal is an animal
term replacing cells in old positions with new cells. Trees do not do that.
They compartmentalize wounds. So much for the wound dressing paint and the
paint roller. Show me a picture of the tree healing a wound. Never heard
of or seen one. Better sell it on Ebay.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.



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I appreciate anyone who has helpful comments.

Heal
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/H/heal.html

Compartmentalization
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...alization.html

Wound Dressing
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._dressing.html

Wounds
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nds/index.html

And if that's short than -
Tree educational material to help you understand treatments.
www.shigoandtrees.com

The people who say trees and wood heals are the same people that claim wood
is dead, decay is not a disease, heartrot explains decay in trees and trees
heal wounds.
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Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


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On Apr 29, 9:12 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"

wrote:
Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old
wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.


Wrong. Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. Without seeing a tree how can you make
such an assessment? You're kidding, right?



I've already stated this was caused by storm damage.

Not frost. Not lack of water. Not from the heat. Not from where the
mulch is. Not because its staked. Not from improper planting. The tree
is healthy.

It was not there, the storm went through, now its there. 60-80 mph
straight line winds will do that to anyones tree, regardless of the
greenness of their thumb.

The question was how to repair the damage.

A few days ago, I cut a paint roller brush down the length of it and
wrapped it around the area, to try to prevent any further damage.
When I looked at it yesterday afternoon, it had done a pretty good job
on its own starting to heal. Not as much bark is separated from the
inner trunk. I used some kitchen shears to cut away the jagged edges
of bark and formed an oval shape.

We'll see how it goes.

Sorry to come off short, but I see this all too often in newsgroups.
I appreciate anyone who has helpful comments.

You did not come off short, you came off an assault by the plant spammer,
dead wood.




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- Oh really? Trees heal wounds? Please explain. Trees compartmentalize
wounds and they do not heal. You blew it right there. Heal is an animal
term replacing cells in old positions with new cells. Trees do not do that.
They compartmentalize wounds. So much for the wound dressing paint and the
paint roller. Show me a picture of the tree healing a wound. Never heard
of or seen one. Better sell it on Ebay.



Heal
1 a: to make sound or whole heal a wound b: to restore to health
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heal

Semantics
the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to
achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of
words with novel or dual meanings.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantics

And thanks for the link to BUY information. I'll get right on that...

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Webster really did not understand tree biology. Webster as far as I now
never published papers on tree biology.
Defining terms related to tree biology is better left to people that
understand trees. Obviously you and Webster claim to be tree experts but do
not understand tree biology.

Again I would like to see a picture of a tree healing. Or as far as that
goes a root flare, a feeder root feeding and the list goes on. Trees seal
but do not heal. Webster would be better explaining that to you.



--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

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- Oh really? Trees heal wounds? Please explain. Trees compartmentalize
wounds and they do not heal. You blew it right there. Heal is an animal
term replacing cells in old positions with new cells. Trees do not do
that.
They compartmentalize wounds. So much for the wound dressing paint and
the
paint roller. Show me a picture of the tree healing a wound. Never
heard
of or seen one. Better sell it on Ebay.



Heal
1 a: to make sound or whole heal a wound b: to restore to health
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heal

Semantics
the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to
achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of
words with novel or dual meanings.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantics

And thanks for the link to BUY information. I'll get right on that...

Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding. How much did you pay for the book that claims
trees heal wounds?

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:50:04 -0400, "symplastless"
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:25 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have
them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old
wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.

Wrong. Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. Without seeing a tree how can you make
such an assessment? You're kidding, right?


Ok, share you pictures of you dissections proving your point. You have
dissected trees, right? Just show me the pictures of your dissections.
Then maybe I will believe you.


No thanks. I don't need your approval. I've already sent photos to
you of other things with absoltely NO reply. Enough with the
dissecting. You didn't SEE the OPs tree, so you didn't dissect it.


He posted a picture of a tree staked, with mulch against the trunk and most
likely planted too deep which had cambium dieback and wanted to help the
tree. Release it, move the mulch and start doing things correctly if you
want to help the trees.

You never sent me a picture of one dissection you did. People that do not
dissect trees should not be permitted to talk about trees.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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wrote:

Frost Cracks
If frost caused frost cracks, every tree in anyone area should have
them.
They don't. But, when trees are present with internal cracks, and then
the
wood is suddenly cooled, the cracks spread outward.
I have dissected trees with deep internal cracks extending from old
wounds
and injuries. Most cracks start from the inside out. There are cracks
that
do form from the outside in but they are not common and usually
shallow.
Your tree had a serious wound.

Wrong. Many trees down here in Texas crack on the south side because
of the intense heat and lack of water. They do not crack from the
inside out, but the opposite. Without seeing a tree how can you make
such an assessment? You're kidding, right?

Ok, share you pictures of you dissections proving your point. You have
dissected trees, right? Just show me the pictures of your dissections.
Then maybe I will believe you.


No thanks. I don't need your approval. I've already sent photos to
you of other things with absoltely NO reply. Enough with the
dissecting. You didn't SEE the OPs tree, so you didn't dissect it.


He posted a picture of a tree staked, with mulch against the trunk and
most likely planted too deep which had cambium dieback and wanted to help
the tree. Release it, move the mulch and start doing things correctly if
you want to help the trees.

You never sent me a picture of one dissection you did. People that do not
dissect trees should not be permitted to talk about trees.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books
that will give them understanding.


Get back on your medication, dead wood.

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You did not come off short, you came off an assault by the plant spammer,
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Ok, then Don the word game professional. Define "Dead Wood". Please.


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Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


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