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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:47:33 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

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I live in the middle of pasture land. Lots of free cow
patties.
My
wife
seems to think that this would make good fertilizer, or at
least
good
mulch
if tilled in.
Other than using fresh dung for the production of food, are
there
any
downsides to using manure? I believe I once read that stall
manure
had
high levels of urea, and would not be good to put on plants.
This
is
pasture manure, so it would not have as high urine level as
stall
manure.

Yeah, I know I can go buy fertilizer, too. But I can also
take
the
money
I save and go fishing a few times.

Tips and caveats on manure use? Good/bad for flowers or
areas
where
I
am
going to put lawn?

Thanks.

Steve


I've been told that cow manure is full of seed ready to sprout
wherever
you
use it. Horse manure is a better solution.


Just the opposite. Cows have two stomachs,

Cows actually have one stomach but it has four compartments.

http://media.www.thelantern.com/medi...news/2003/12/0
2/C
amp
us/
A.Window.To.The.World.Of.A.Cows.Stomach-569718.shtml

horses have one. I used
horse manure (mushroom compost) over fescue lawns--big
mistake.
The
piles were steaming hot, but still introduced a lot of weeds.

When manure is properly composted it will attain temperatures
that
kill
seeds. Manure should always be fully composted before being
used
for
gardening.

Do not use manure from carnivores and omnivores,

those need to
be processed by specific means (as raw sewage) or they will
introduce
disease.

Background
http://www.ecochem.com/t_manure_fert.html
Generally, poultry manure is highest in nitrogen content,
followed
by
hog (an omnivore),
steer, sheep, dairy, and horse manure. Feedlot, steer manure
requires
fairly high rates to meet first-year nitrogen requirements
because
of
its lower nitrogen percent and gradual nitrogen release
characteristics.

Worse case scenario, gardening over a leach line.
http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/en.../specdesigns/a
ug9
3pr2.html
Do not plant root crops over drain lines. Leafy vegetables could
be
contaminated by rain splashing soil onto the plant, so either
mulch
them
to eliminate splashing or don't grow them. Fruiting crops should
be
safe; train any vining ones, such as cucumbers or tomatoes, onto
a
support so the fruit is off the ground.

Down and dirty.
http://www.umext.maine.edu/onlinepubs/htmpubs/2510.htm
If you do intend to use raw manure as a soil amendment or
fertilizer
source on your garden, follow these guidelines:
? Apply raw manure at least 120 days before harvesting a crop
that
has the potential for soil contact (leafy greens, root crops,
etc).
The
USDA National Organic Program (NOP) standards allow a 90-day
period
between manure application and harvest for crops that don¹t have
direct
contact potential with soil.
? For some gardeners in Maine, the best time to apply raw
manure
to
your garden may be in the fall after harvest; incorporate it into
the
soil and plant a cover crop to hold nutrients over the winter.
This
should be done before October 1 for good cover crop
establishment.
? Never use raw manure as a sidedress to growing plants.
Manure
that
is incorporated and distributed throughout the soil has a much
lower
risk of passing pathogens to the growing crop.
? Consider the source if you still want to use raw manures in
your
garden. Are the animals in the herd or flock healthy? Is there a
parasite problem that requires regular deworming? Does the farm
use
antibiotics as a regular component of their feeding program?

Ain't Google wonderful?

I sit horse crap in a plastic compost bin anywhere from 9 to 18
months
&
bung on the garden late winter, early spring. It has been well
sorted
by
worms in that time. Works fine for me.

rob

Good for you and the worms ;O)

and if my cider turns out crap, it'll become liquid manure next spring

rob

Ah, hold on there cowboy. There must be some way you can distill it to
make apple brandy, like in Normandy ;O)

or vinegar

rob

Uh-huh. Vinegar, though, won't deliver the Dionysian promise of freeing
the body from the tyranny of the mind.

The only thing that I use apple vinegar for is "chicken and dumplings".

Billy, whats your address. I might yet be shipping a crate or 2 to you.

rob

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"brooklyn1" wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:47:33 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I live in the middle of pasture land. Lots of free cow
patties.
My
wife
seems to think that this would make good fertilizer, or at
least
good
mulch
if tilled in.
Other than using fresh dung for the production of food, are
there
any
downsides to using manure? I believe I once read that stall
manure
had
high levels of urea, and would not be good to put on plants.
This
is
pasture manure, so it would not have as high urine level as
stall
manure.

Yeah, I know I can go buy fertilizer, too. But I can also
take
the
money
I save and go fishing a few times.

Tips and caveats on manure use? Good/bad for flowers or
areas
where
I
am
going to put lawn?

Thanks.

Steve


I've been told that cow manure is full of seed ready to sprout
wherever
you
use it. Horse manure is a better solution.


Just the opposite. Cows have two stomachs,

Cows actually have one stomach but it has four compartments.

http://media.www.thelantern.com/medi...33/news/2003/1
2/0
2/C
amp
us/
A.Window.To.The.World.Of.A.Cows.Stomach-569718.shtml

horses have one. I used
horse manure (mushroom compost) over fescue lawns--big
mistake.
The
piles were steaming hot, but still introduced a lot of weeds.

When manure is properly composted it will attain temperatures
that
kill
seeds. Manure should always be fully composted before being
used
for
gardening.

Do not use manure from carnivores and omnivores,

those need to
be processed by specific means (as raw sewage) or they will
introduce
disease.

Background
http://www.ecochem.com/t_manure_fert.html
Generally, poultry manure is highest in nitrogen content,
followed
by
hog (an omnivore),
steer, sheep, dairy, and horse manure. Feedlot, steer manure
requires
fairly high rates to meet first-year nitrogen requirements
because
of
its lower nitrogen percent and gradual nitrogen release
characteristics.

Worse case scenario, gardening over a leach line.
http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/en...ts2/specdesign
s/a
ug9
3pr2.html
Do not plant root crops over drain lines. Leafy vegetables could
be
contaminated by rain splashing soil onto the plant, so either
mulch
them
to eliminate splashing or don't grow them. Fruiting crops should
be
safe; train any vining ones, such as cucumbers or tomatoes, onto
a
support so the fruit is off the ground.

Down and dirty.
http://www.umext.maine.edu/onlinepubs/htmpubs/2510.htm
If you do intend to use raw manure as a soil amendment or
fertilizer
source on your garden, follow these guidelines:
? Apply raw manure at least 120 days before harvesting a crop
that
has the potential for soil contact (leafy greens, root crops,
etc).
The
USDA National Organic Program (NOP) standards allow a 90-day
period
between manure application and harvest for crops that don¹t have
direct
contact potential with soil.
? For some gardeners in Maine, the best time to apply raw
manure
to
your garden may be in the fall after harvest; incorporate it into
the
soil and plant a cover crop to hold nutrients over the winter.
This
should be done before October 1 for good cover crop
establishment.
? Never use raw manure as a sidedress to growing plants.
Manure
that
is incorporated and distributed throughout the soil has a much
lower
risk of passing pathogens to the growing crop.
? Consider the source if you still want to use raw manures in
your
garden. Are the animals in the herd or flock healthy? Is there a
parasite problem that requires regular deworming? Does the farm
use
antibiotics as a regular component of their feeding program?

Ain't Google wonderful?

I sit horse crap in a plastic compost bin anywhere from 9 to 18
months
&
bung on the garden late winter, early spring. It has been well
sorted
by
worms in that time. Works fine for me.

rob

Good for you and the worms ;O)

and if my cider turns out crap, it'll become liquid manure next spring

rob

Ah, hold on there cowboy. There must be some way you can distill it to
make apple brandy, like in Normandy ;O)

or vinegar

rob

Uh-huh. Vinegar, though, won't deliver the Dionysian promise of freeing
the body from the tyranny of the mind.

The only thing that I use apple vinegar for is "chicken and dumplings".

Billy, whats your address. I might yet be shipping a crate or 2 to you.

rob

All donations gratefully received. -
--

Billy
There are no lobbyists for cover crops and crop rotation. Why?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net