FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just fat! We
have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable bull over her.
All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during drought) have
abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can feed a horse right now.
So where we would like to have 10 horses (and could feed 16 for the summer)
we have 3 horses and a cow. So they are all fat.


And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very Australorp
like but I can now see those red feathers and they aren't Australorp
like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

David

"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just fat!
We have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable bull
over her. All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during
drought) have abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can feed
a horse right now. So where we would like to have 10 horses (and could
feed 16 for the summer) we have 3 horses and a cow. So they are all
fat.


And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very Australorp
like but I can now see those red feathers and they aren't Australorp
like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

David

I was wondering the same thing about Mootilda, but afraid to ask.
Why a bull, when eighty bucks and a vet up to their armpit could do the
same job
The grass height is amazing, she must be in heaven! Smaller pens and
rotate the pens could trim her a bit. But I thought a fat cow would be
desirable? But then again my fence cost well over a thousand bucks, all
on a credit card

I was planning to rotate the cow every few years, milk to beef. Keep the
calf pregnant and hope every other offspring is male. Younger the cow
the healthier the milk and tastier beef. Is this a bad idea? I am new to
this game?

Ok, you asked, winter pictures:
http://www.nadrhel.com/Winter.html

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Dan L wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just fat!
We have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable bull
over her. All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during
drought) have abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can feed
a horse right now. So where we would like to have 10 horses (and
could feed 16 for the summer) we have 3 horses and a cow. So they
are all fat.


And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very
Australorp like but I can now see those red feathers and they
aren't Australorp like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

David

I was wondering the same thing about Mootilda, but afraid to ask.
Why a bull, when eighty bucks and a vet up to their armpit could do
the same job

Two problems, you need a yard and crush, and to get the local AI person to
come and do one cow for a bunch of newbies. Yes a neighbour would "lend" me
a bull (put Mootilda in with his cows for a few weeks) but they are beef
breeds that are too big for her. So I am stuck at the moment.

The grass height is amazing, she must be in heaven! Smaller pens and
rotate the pens could trim her a bit. But I thought a fat cow would be
desirable? But then again my fence cost well over a thousand bucks,
all on a credit card

It may not be apparent but the paddock is divided into 5 strips of about 2
acres, we normally rotate them every few weeks. I cannot afford the time or
the wire to make them smaller, what I need is more stock. With my soil in
this season one strip grows more than the 4 of them can eat.


I was planning to rotate the cow every few years, milk to beef. Keep
the calf pregnant and hope every other offspring is male. Younger the
cow the healthier the milk and tastier beef. Is this a bad idea? I am
new to this game?


Ask Fran I am just as much a newbie about cattle.

Ok, you asked, winter pictures:
http://www.nadrhel.com/Winter.html

That is so foreign to me where you cannot do anything much outside. I would
get very frustrated.

David

"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
Dan L wrote:

I was wondering the same thing about Mootilda, but afraid to ask.
Why a bull, when eighty bucks and a vet up to their armpit could do
the same job

Two problems, you need a yard and crush, and to get the local AI
person to come and do one cow for a bunch of newbies. Yes a neighbour
would "lend" me a bull (put Mootilda in with his cows for a few weeks)
but they are beef breeds that are too big for her. So I am stuck at
the moment.

The grass height is amazing, she must be in heaven! Smaller pens and
rotate the pens could trim her a bit. But I thought a fat cow would
be
desirable? But then again my fence cost well over a thousand bucks,
all on a credit card

It may not be apparent but the paddock is divided into 5 strips of
about 2 acres, we normally rotate them every few weeks. I cannot
afford the time or the wire to make them smaller, what I need is more
stock. With my soil in this season one strip grows more than the 4 of
them can eat.


I was planning to rotate the cow every few years, milk to beef. Keep
the calf pregnant and hope every other offspring is male. Younger the
cow the healthier the milk and tastier beef. Is this a bad idea? I am
new to this game?


Ask Fran I am just as much a newbie about cattle.

Ok, you asked, winter pictures:
http://www.nadrhel.com/Winter.html

That is so foreign to me where you cannot do anything much outside. I
would get very frustrated.

David

For many the winters are frustrating, the cold weather sucks the air you
breath. Doing anything outside in very cold weather is much harder on
the body, Breathing is more labored. There are winter things that one
can do outside, skiing, skating, hockey and ice fishing. Indoor
entertainment is the choice for many. For me it is the time for reading
and learning new things. I think I am going to get a new book on the
family cow.

Ever wonder why more kids are born in October/November than another
months?

There is a theory that people born in the cold north are smarter than
those in the south. Those in the north must be smart in order to
survive. Those in the south food is plentiful in the south 24/7 and the
need for shelter is not as great. The north must learn agricultural
methods and food preserving. Inventing the fireplace, brick laying,
steel making... Tools to survive the coldness.... Just a theory

Shields Up!

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"Dan L" wrote in message
...
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just fat!
We have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable bull
over her. All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during
drought) have abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can feed
a horse right now. So where we would like to have 10 horses (and could
feed 16 for the summer) we have 3 horses and a cow. So they are all
fat.


And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very Australorp
like but I can now see those red feathers and they aren't Australorp
like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

David

I was wondering the same thing about Mootilda, but afraid to ask.
Why a bull, when eighty bucks and a vet up to their armpit could do the
same job
The grass height is amazing, she must be in heaven! Smaller pens and
rotate the pens could trim her a bit. But I thought a fat cow would be
desirable?

No. Dairy cows such as Mootilda are generally quite thin when in milk and
they tend to stay that way unless they are dry and on good feed like David
has. Any cow is far better off when calving to be thin rather than fat.

Fat cows can often have problems with the birth. (Just like humans but
don't tell any fat pregnant woman that I said that or I'll get lynched. )
I've spent way to much time assisting in pulling calves out of cows to
recommend any fat cows to anyone.

And the other thing is that fat cows will often then have problems as a
result of the birth such as post deliver paralysis. Believe me you don't
want to deal with a cow on the ground and needing to be turned over at least
4 times a day and then having to try to feed new calf. Keep 'em slim
leading up to the birth. But I have to say that I like the look of plump
cows, just not fat cows in calf.

But then again my fence cost well over a thousand bucks, all
on a credit card

I was planning to rotate the cow every few years, milk to beef. Keep the
calf pregnant and hope every other offspring is male. Younger the cow
the healthier the milk and tastier beef. Is this a bad idea? I am new to
this game?

Ok, you asked, winter pictures:
http://www.nadrhel.com/Winter.html

That's beautiful but all that snow would give me the irrits after more than
2 days or coping with it.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Dan L" wrote in message
...
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door
into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just
fat!
We have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable
bull
over her. All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during
drought) have abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can
feed
a horse right now. So where we would like to have 10 horses (and
could
feed 16 for the summer) we have 3 horses and a cow. So they are all
fat.


And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very
Australorp
like but I can now see those red feathers and they aren't
Australorp
like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

David

I was wondering the same thing about Mootilda, but afraid to ask.
Why a bull, when eighty bucks and a vet up to their armpit could do
the
same job
The grass height is amazing, she must be in heaven! Smaller pens and
rotate the pens could trim her a bit. But I thought a fat cow would
be
desirable?

No. Dairy cows such as Mootilda are generally quite thin when in milk
and
they tend to stay that way unless they are dry and on good feed like
David
has. Any cow is far better off when calving to be thin rather than
fat.

Fat cows can often have problems with the birth. (Just like humans
but
don't tell any fat pregnant woman that I said that or I'll get
lynched. )
I've spent way to much time assisting in pulling calves out of cows to

recommend any fat cows to anyone.

And the other thing is that fat cows will often then have problems as
a
result of the birth such as post deliver paralysis. Believe me you
don't
want to deal with a cow on the ground and needing to be turned over at
least
4 times a day and then having to try to feed new calf. Keep 'em slim
leading up to the birth. But I have to say that I like the look of
plump
cows, just not fat cows in calf.

Now I understand. Here I am living in country for twelve years now.
Going straight from city life to the country life. I did not know word
"agister". Not in a basic dictionary, but was in Wikipedia. When I learn
something new, I feel good about myself. I see the problem.

At first I thought it would be great to have a fat cow. I was thinking
in terms of beef.
But from a birthing point of view, I can see the problem. Lots more to
learn. I also found there are vast resources on the web for taking care
of cattle. Web seems better than books .

It is interesting how one seemingly innocent photo can change a subject.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"Dan L" wrote in message

Now I understand. Here I am living in country for twelve years now.
Going straight from city life to the country life. I did not know word
"agister". Not in a basic dictionary, but was in Wikipedia. When I learn
something new, I feel good about myself. I see the problem.

At first I thought it would be great to have a fat cow. I was thinking
in terms of beef.

Even with beef they can be too fat as you don't want really fatty meat once
it's dressed.

These sites might be of interest to you:
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agricultur...e-muscle-score
http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nreninf.nsf/v/F21B884713BC8986CA25741D0003F7CA/$file/Condition_Scoring_Beef_Cattle.pdf
http://beef.unl.edu/learning/condition1a.shtml
But from a birthing point of view, I can see the problem. Lots more to
learn. I also found there are vast resources on the web for taking care
of cattle. Web seems better than books .

It is interesting how one seemingly innocent photo can change a subject.

Yup :-))

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
FarmI wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
For those who may be interested in some of the things around my
place or just up to their waist in snow and looking for a door into
summer. http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j444/HareScott/

I love the pic of Mootilda in mid cud chew!!! She is a lovely
looking girl. Dry by the look of her. When is she due?

Yes she is dry. That is the problem, she isn't due, she is just fat! We
have no practical way to put her on a diet nor put a suitable bull over
her.

Ah bugger! A.I. isnt' all it's cracked up to be either. And you don't want
a fat girl giving birth either.


All our agisters (who thought we were wonderful during drought) have
abandoned us. Anybody with a 1/4 acre of dirt can feed a horse right now.
So where we would like to have 10 horses (and could feed 16 for the
summer) we have 3 horses and a cow. So they are all fat.

Yup. You should see our grass! The girls are disappearring.

And that head (shape, eye, colour) on the chook looks very Australorp
like but I can now see those red feathers and they aren't Australorp
like. She look like she'll do the job though.

I will try to get some shots of all 4 girls for the knowledgable to
critique.

I'd like to see them, but as you said, all you need is laying fowl which
will do the job.