On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:36:12 -0800, "quest" opined:



I've seen Datura called "devils trumpet" only when people are trying to say
what the difference is. On ebay or garden forums for instance. I don't think
it's at all official, but some know them by that. They were lumped together
once, but are now Brugmansia for the tree/pendant perennial, and Datura for
the bushy, upturned flowering annual.
True, It is a pain to dig them or take cuttings in the fall, (at least
they root easily) but I have other bulbs and things that I need to do that
with anyway, that really are not as fragrant or pretty, so it's well worth
it to me to include them
But then, I'm an absolute flower nut, with far more plants than any sane
person would bother with.


If Brugmansia is perennial for you, so is Datura. Both are hardy to USDA Zone
8b.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:58:52 GMT, DigitalVinyl opined:

I've never hear it called devil's trumpet. The seed packet atually
said Angel's Trumpet

Yeah, I'm not crazy about nodding flowers in general. Maybe if I grew
them on a higher windowbox or hanging pot so they would be more
visible. And since I have to overwinter them indoors I'll probably
skip growing them in the future.

Brugmansia do very well in tubs and mine are all at least 8 feet tall. They
store in any cool, dry, dark place over the winter, mine are in the greenhouse,
but I do have about three of them in the shed.

I removed the ones from the shed and divided them, planted the air layered
branches and now have 5 plants of that variety.

I also grow datura. D. metel, D. meteloides, D. inoxia, D. wrightii, D.
stramonium. They are all hardy for me in Zone 8b, but I grow fresh plants each
year from seed. That way, I find, they are not as leggy at the bottom of the
plant. I also keep them pruned which encouraged inner and lower foliage to
develop, giving nice form to the plants. The D. wrightii has huge white
flowers, about 10 inches across. They bloom in waves about every three weeks.
They require a lot of fertilization and excellent soil with plenty of compost.
I have no problems with them. Every night the giant sphynx and hawk moths visit
and they are a magnificent sight. There is a hummingbird moth which also comes
in the morning and throughout the day sips nectar from other plants in the
garden.

Victoria

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:36:12 -0800, "quest" opined:



I've seen Datura called "devils trumpet" only when people are trying to say
what the difference is. On ebay or garden forums for instance. I don't think
it's at all official, but some know them by that. They were lumped together
once, but are now Brugmansia for the tree/pendant perennial, and Datura for
the bushy, upturned flowering annual.
True, It is a pain to dig them or take cuttings in the fall, (at least
they root easily) but I have other bulbs and things that I need to do that
with anyway, that really are not as fragrant or pretty, so it's well worth
it to me to include them
But then, I'm an absolute flower nut, with far more plants than any sane
person would bother with.


If Brugmansia is perennial for you, so is Datura. Both are hardy to USDA Zone
8b.

"escapee" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:22:12 -0800, "quest" opined:

I just totally love these flowers! Huge beautiful blooms, incredible
wafting
fragrance, and neat looking tropical foliage. I plan to plant a whole
batch
of them along a fence this year. Do many people here grow them? I know
some
of the prettiest are hard to find offline. Which ones do you have? Mine
are
only babies so far this year, so I can't share or even trade now, but I'm
curious as to who has what. So far "Butterfly" a deep pink, is my
favorite.


I have several different species. B. suavolens, B. versicolor, B.
candida, and
about 4 or 5 others. I grow them in 30 gallon tubs which I move into the
greenhouse where they bloom all winter. It smells like a perfumery in the
greenhouse right now! I have some rooting right now to sell to a local
nursery.

There is a wonderful website www.nativehabitat.com , but they are not
taking
orders right now. www.logees.com also sells them.

I bought a book several years ago called Englestrompeten. It was all
about
Brugmansia and Datura, but only in German. I used it for identification,
(Latin
is great!) but it is not also in English by popular demand and I bought
that as
well. I believe they do sell it on www.amazon.com

Anyone who wants to grow these gems needs that book. It's the only book
written
specifically for this Genus.

Victoria
It sounds like I'd better take a second look at Datura. The only ones I had
died early and leggy. The triple purple/white was a beautiful flower, and I
kept some seeds, so I may try them again. Really cool that your nursery is
going to buy your extras. I'd love to do that, but would have no idea what
to ask for them. I've got both of the available books on them, Preissel's
and Gottshark's (sp?) but haven't really read them much. Thanks for the dat
info!

"escapee" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:22:12 -0800, "quest" opined:

I just totally love these flowers! Huge beautiful blooms, incredible
wafting
fragrance, and neat looking tropical foliage. I plan to plant a whole
batch
of them along a fence this year. Do many people here grow them? I know
some
of the prettiest are hard to find offline. Which ones do you have? Mine
are
only babies so far this year, so I can't share or even trade now, but I'm
curious as to who has what. So far "Butterfly" a deep pink, is my
favorite.


I have several different species. B. suavolens, B. versicolor, B.
candida, and
about 4 or 5 others. I grow them in 30 gallon tubs which I move into the
greenhouse where they bloom all winter. It smells like a perfumery in the
greenhouse right now! I have some rooting right now to sell to a local
nursery.

There is a wonderful website www.nativehabitat.com , but they are not
taking
orders right now. www.logees.com also sells them.

I bought a book several years ago called Englestrompeten. It was all
about
Brugmansia and Datura, but only in German. I used it for identification,
(Latin
is great!) but it is not also in English by popular demand and I bought
that as
well. I believe they do sell it on www.amazon.com

Anyone who wants to grow these gems needs that book. It's the only book
written
specifically for this Genus.

Victoria
It sounds like I'd better take a second look at Datura. The only ones I had
died early and leggy. The triple purple/white was a beautiful flower, and I
kept some seeds, so I may try them again. Really cool that your nursery is
going to buy your extras. I'd love to do that, but would have no idea what
to ask for them. I've got both of the available books on them, Preissel's
and Gottshark's (sp?) but haven't really read them much. Thanks for the dat
info!

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:20:50 -0800, "quest" opined:


Victoria
It sounds like I'd better take a second look at Datura. The only ones I had
died early and leggy. The triple purple/white was a beautiful flower, and I
kept some seeds, so I may try them again. Really cool that your nursery is
going to buy your extras. I'd love to do that, but would have no idea what
to ask for them. I've got both of the available books on them, Preissel's
and Gottshark's (sp?) but haven't really read them much. Thanks for the dat
info!


I get two dollars for a 4 inch and 4 dollars for a gallon. All other 4 inch
perennials I grow I sell for a dollar per 4 inch, or 20 for a flat of 20 plants.
I grow frogfruit, Mina lobata, several different salvias, flame acanthus,
Mexican honeysuckle, Mexican Elderberry, cy press vine, and a few others. Very
little, but it pays for the best compost being made anywhere in the country.

V