"..........I'm sorry, David, Brugmansia spp. are small trees in their native
habitat. I have been collecting them for more than a decade. By small
tree, I mean anything less than 25-30 feet tall. That, is considered by the
industry, a small tree. ....."

Just going by my books (R.H.S. publications) which list them as evergreen
and semi evergreen small trees or shrubs.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:43:27 -0000, "David Hill"
opined:

Just going by my books (R.H.S. publications) which list them as evergreen
and semi evergreen small trees or shrubs.

Did you not say the following:

"I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees.
Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they
are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft."


Now you are saying they ARE small trees or shrubs. Before you said they are
large shrubs, not small trees.

Because something is in a book, does not mean the plant can read it. Brugmansia
are self cleaning, self pruning at the base and form very woody trunks. Mine
and the ones in the book I have (the only book about Brugmansia and Datura in
the world) say they are small trees.

"......... I was going on all the ones I have seen whilst on holiday in
Spain , Malta and Italy.
I have never seen one that could be described as a tree, all having multiple
stems and frequent branching. None showed ant sign if a main (Central) stem.
All in my book would be described as Shrubs.
As they have to be pot grown in UK I can only go by what I have seen,
though as I later said my books do also say small trees, and I will
naturally bow to your superior knowledge of them as you are clearly an
Expert on the subject.
And do remember I did say ""I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not
small trees." I think...... not........ they are.

Lastly you say "Because something is in a book, does not mean the plant
can read it", This seems to imply that some plants may, or just could be you
also not being specific enough about the words you use....
Sod isn't it when there is some picky person waiting to pick up the
slightest slip..............

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

There is a second book about them out for a year or more now, by Monika
Gottschalk. It's written in German, but you can get the English supplement
as well. You should be able to find it in a google search. That's just if
you want to say 'the only two books', since I don't think she added to
anything Preissel said, unless possibly a bit of info on some newer hybrids.

"escapee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:43:27 -0000, "David Hill"
opined:

Just going by my books (R.H.S. publications) which list them as evergreen
and semi evergreen small trees or shrubs.

Did you not say the following:

"I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees.
Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they
are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft."


Now you are saying they ARE small trees or shrubs. Before you said they
are
large shrubs, not small trees.

Because something is in a book, does not mean the plant can read it.
Brugmansia
are self cleaning, self pruning at the base and form very woody trunks.
Mine
and the ones in the book I have (the only book about Brugmansia and Datura
in
the world) say they are small trees.

There is a second book about them out for a year or more now, by Monika
Gottschalk. It's written in German, but you can get the English supplement
as well. You should be able to find it in a google search. That's just if
you want to say 'the only two books', since I don't think she added to
anything Preissel said, unless possibly a bit of info on some newer hybrids.

"escapee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:43:27 -0000, "David Hill"
opined:

Just going by my books (R.H.S. publications) which list them as evergreen
and semi evergreen small trees or shrubs.

Did you not say the following:

"I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees.
Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they
are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft."


Now you are saying they ARE small trees or shrubs. Before you said they
are
large shrubs, not small trees.

Because something is in a book, does not mean the plant can read it.
Brugmansia
are self cleaning, self pruning at the base and form very woody trunks.
Mine
and the ones in the book I have (the only book about Brugmansia and Datura
in
the world) say they are small trees.

David, this is the last post on this I will make, but I said "In their native
habitat, they are small trees..."

What you see in Spain, Malta and Italy has absolutely nothing to do with these
plants in their NATIVE habitat.

Thank you.


On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:48:05 +0100, "David Hill"
opined:

"......... I was going on all the ones I have seen whilst on holiday in
Spain , Malta and Italy.
I have never seen one that could be described as a tree, all having multiple
stems and frequent branching. None showed ant sign if a main (Central) stem.
All in my book would be described as Shrubs.
As they have to be pot grown in UK I can only go by what I have seen,
though as I later said my books do also say small trees, and I will
naturally bow to your superior knowledge of them as you are clearly an
Expert on the subject.
And do remember I did say ""I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not
small trees." I think...... not........ they are.

Lastly you say "Because something is in a book, does not mean the plant
can read it", This seems to imply that some plants may, or just could be you
also not being specific enough about the words you use....
Sod isn't it when there is some picky person waiting to pick up the
slightest slip..............