When Kerry was asked by committee chairman Senator J. William Fulbright how he
proposed to end the war, the former Navy lieutenant said it should be ended
immediately and mentioned his involvement in peace talks in Paris.

"I have been to Paris," Kerry said. "I have talked with both delegations at the
peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the
Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points .
.. . ."

Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace
conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no
meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations,

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with Nguyen Thi
Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks. Kerry
acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a private
citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law, which
forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.

"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace
conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no
meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations,

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with
Nguyen Thi
Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks.
Kerry
acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a
private
citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law,
which
forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.

I guess you were OK with Kissinger going to the talks and discussing peace
(out of one side of his mouth), while being part of the cover up of the
bombing of Cambodia. So, a snake who's "officially authorized" is better
than an honest man who's not?

"Jim Carlock" wrote in message
. ..
Some quotes by George W. Bush and his staff:
"There ought to be limits to freedom."
"We need a common enemy to unite us."
George didn't mean to let this slip out, but it did, and it
is proof... he thought he was being funny... he was
telling the truth.


This is one of MY favorites. Wars have probably begun over smaller insults
than this:

"The only thing I know about Slovakia is what I learned first-hand from
your foreign minister, who came to Texas."-To a Slovak journalist as quoted
by Knight Ridder News Service, June 22, 1999. Bush's meeting was with Janez
Drnovsek, the prime minister of Slovenia.

"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace
conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no
meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations,

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with
Nguyen Thi
Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks.
Kerry
acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a
private
citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law,
which
forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.

If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why then
did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime?

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:36:20 -0400, "StanB"
wrote:


"Cereus-validus." wrote in message
.. .

Anyway you look at it, Kerry's war record is far superior to nonexistent
one
of that awol inept dopehead Dubya.

Hanoi John is a fraud and a pothead.


Stanley you ignorant fuk, that booze is addling what little brain
mass you seem to have left.....

This is America, we can and DO speak out against poor government
policies like the war in Viet Nam,

Have you served? (besides in a boy scout troop)

On 25 Oct 2004 17:01:02 GMT, (IntarsiaCo) wrote:

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority
of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any
correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or
agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign
government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or
controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United
States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three
years, or both."

Kerry met in 1970, by his own admission, with delegations from the North
Vietnamese communist government and discussed how the Vietnam War should be
stopped.


Christ not reds under the bed! As an American we had a right to speak
out against our government and it's murdering policies in Vietnam. Try
visiting the Vietnam veterans against the War web pages and see that
we as brothers in the struggle agree with Kerry. He did the right
thing instead of burying his head in the sand and letting his
experiences in Vietnam haugnt him like many vets have!

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:35:05 -0700, "Anonny Moose"
wrote:


"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace
conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no
meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations,

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with
Nguyen Thi
Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks.
Kerry
acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a
private
citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law,
which
forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.

If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why then
did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime?

Not only was there no crime the VVAW heroes played a major part in
the ending of the atrocities!

(still can't help but wonder how it is that the most outspoken critics
ditched military service)

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

-- SNIP --

I think you are forgetting that we got into Vietnam when our good friends
the French asked for help defending their former colony and interests. And
like good little allies we went.

Cheryl

Well . . . you're sort of correct.

It is true that our INITIAL move into Vietnam was to aid the French.

HOWEVER, after the French were defeated at Dienbienphu, our decision to
"soldier on" and do a little nation-building, in our own (Western)
image, in Asia made that little war our very own.

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm

"The United States entered that war incrementally, in a series of steps
between 1950 and 1965. In May 1950, President Harry S. Truman authorized
a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were
fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and
Cambodia as well as Vietnam. When the Vietnamese Nationalist (and
Communist-led) Vietminh army defeated French forces at Dienbienphu in
1954, the French were compelled to accede to the creation of a Communist
Vietnam north of the 17th parallel while leaving a non-Communist entity
south of that line. The United States refused to accept the arrangement.
The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead
to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South
Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the
French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army,
and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct
psychological warfare against the North."

Sound familiar?

"Anonny Moose" wrote in message
...

"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace
conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no
meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations,

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with
Nguyen Thi
Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the
talks.
Kerry
acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a
private
citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law,
which
forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments.

If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why
then
did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime?



Of course there wasn't. This entire discussion revolves around the beliefs
of a deluded individual who gets his "facts" from the Borg mother ship, also
known as Rush.

It is a sad fact that no person running for president solely on intelligence and
logic has a chance in hell of winning. I am surprised he hasnt taken to mangling
english and tossing a little stupidity into his speeches so he can pick up a few of
those who would never think of voting for anybody smarter than they think they are.
If throwing large chunks of bloody raw meat is what it takes, he should do it.
Ingrid

"Doug Kanter" wrote:
He had to make it an issue because there are quite a few dummies who think
it's relevant. Unfortunately, Kerry needs to stoop low in his attempt to
steal some of Bush's supporters, and perhaps some of the knuckleheads who
are still undecided. If throwing large chunks of raw meat is what it takes,
he'll do it.




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Probably because of the way that news is transmitted in this country, the
vast majority of people don't realize that Kerry's emphasis on his Vietnam
experience in the Democratic convention was not the event that triggered the
reaction of the Swift Boat Liars in the ads that followed it in early
August.. That group actually began meeting and planning the moment Kerry won
the primary season, way back in March and April, and the book that John
O'Neill wrote was already being printed. In fact, Kerry probably felt that
he needed to set up a Vietnam background as a strength to contradict the
bullcrap that was already being staged to hit the fan in the late summer. I
get angry when I see major pundits proclaiming that Kerry set himself up to
be attacked by making his Vietnam experiences a part of the Convention -
when the attacks were already being made prior to the convention.
wrote in message
...
It is a sad fact that no person running for president solely on
intelligence and
logic has a chance in hell of winning. I am surprised he hasnt taken to
mangling
english and tossing a little stupidity into his speeches so he can pick up
a few of
those who would never think of voting for anybody smarter than they think
they are.
If throwing large chunks of bloody raw meat is what it takes, he should do
it.
Ingrid

"Doug Kanter" wrote:
He had to make it an issue because there are quite a few dummies who
think
it's relevant. Unfortunately, Kerry needs to stoop low in his attempt to
steal some of Bush's supporters, and perhaps some of the knuckleheads who
are still undecided. If throwing large chunks of raw meat is what it
takes,
he'll do it.




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Reuters reports "Bush voted Movie Villain of the Year" by a Total Film
poll. Bush won out over evil atomic scientist Doctor Octopus from
Spider-Man 2, fellow Texan Leatherface from the remake of The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre, Golem in Lord of the Rings III, & Elle Driver (Daryl
Hannah's the eyepatch assassin in Kill Bill II).

"The overwhelming response of our readers voting Bush top villain just
goes to show how frightening people found him in Fahrenheit 9/11," Total
Film's editor Matt Mueller told Reuters. "He was absolutely terrifying in
that film. The infamous scene where he's informed about the Twin Towers
attack while visiting a school, & sits there absolutely paralysed, is
enough to strike fear into anyone's heart."

About 10,000 people voted in the poll. All winners will be seen in the
upcomping issue of Total Film magazine on the stands November 4.

Original story:
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&st oryID=610550&section=news

This could well turn out to be Bush's only big win for 2004.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:10:32 -0400, paghat wrote
Does half of America REALLY care
absolutely nothing for truth, fact, or reality, but will embrace any lie
fabricated by Bush campaigners & Swiftnuts, if that's all there is to
justify an unjustifiable decision to keep Bush?

paghat,

You might be interested in this column by David Brooks in the NY times
a few days ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/23/op...Top%2fOpinion%
2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnist s%2fDavid%20Brooks

It should be free for a couple more days. I often find Brooks grasping
at straws, but I think this one is pretty good. It does provide a
possible explanation for the divide which doesn't depend on the
traditional factors (which as you point out don't seem to explain
much): "Republicans ... admire leaders who are straight-talking men of
faith. ... doesn't have to be book-smart, and probably shouldn't be ...
introspective. ... Democrats ... emphasize such skills as being
knowledgeable and thoughtful. The value leaders who can see
complexities, who possess the virtues of the well-educated".

I thought it was good.

Now, my neighborhood has, I'd guess, about 350 houses. I've walked or
biked most of the streets lately, and I've found five (5) with Bush
signs. Probably half the rest have Kerry signs. It's a neighborhood
that was mostly built up in the 1950s and 1960s, with most houses on
half-acre lots yet close to the center of town. Great place for
gardeners, except for the high incidence of highly invasive exotics.
Perhaps there's a correlation.

Edward

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:40:38 -0400, paghat wrote
puts out Flags at the drop of a pin

Interesting observations. Now that you mention it, I noticed that a few
houses which have had flag signs out since 9/11, don't have any
political signs now.

Coincidence? You Decide. ;-)

Edward

"Lee" wrote in message
om...
(paghat) wrote in message
...
snip...

.

The Bush campaign clearly sees itself as having no positive truth upon
which to base its election campaign, & so requires its Vice president to
lie outright, the President to commit lies of ommission by failing to
tell
the truth himself & refusing to distance himself from the Swiftnut
campaign of outright fabrications which have been assisted by Bush's
official campaign orchestrators. When Kerry states that failure to keep
terrorists from grabbing tons & tons of explosives was a major mistake
of
the administration, he merely speaks the truth, harsh & awful & damning
though that truth may be. But when Bush says Kerry advocates permitting
foreign powers to veto American wartime decisions, he lies from his own
mouth, even apart from his lies of ommission in permitting the Swiftnut
whoppers to stand.

Bush requires lies; Kerry has a damning truth on his side. But I fear
those who have without bigotry or malignancy somehow managed to support
Bush actually think it is Political Attack vs Political Attack, & they
select the liar because they are blind to the lies, or because what is
important to them is some single-issue (the false promise of lower taxes
which has already translated into taxpayer indebtedness) or to stop
abortion rights or because they think a fundamentalist is inherently a
"good" christian but a Catholic is inherently a "bad" christian --
whatever one-issue thing they have which supercedes even integrity. I
don't think these sorts of blind-spot-creating priorities require hatred
of faggots & dykes or an ignorant inability to see that Bush policies
has
made the world a more dangerous place. Good people can mistakenly
support
Bush. They don't have to be as crazy as Usenet Bushites or as dishonest
as
the Swiftnuts. But they do have to fool themselves a lot.
assertion of faith in humanity.

-paghat the ratgirl

this is so sad.. i know a number of folks of high integrity who are
totally
taken in by this spoiled, opinionated little boy who decided to have a
quick and glorious war of his own, to finish what his dady started and
be in the history books as the saviour of mankind.
Leo/lee

Here's what's really sad: The village idiot may be elected again. Because he
listens to voices in his head (and calls them "God's voice"), my 15 year old
son may be among those chosen to be a very poorly paid mercenary for the oil
business. Fortunately, my son figured out this scam about a year ago.
Otherwise, I'd have to put a bullet through the eye of the phoney patriot
who came to get him when he refused to be drafted three or four years from
now.

OK.. maybe reverse discrimination but I think we already have a couple gay couples on
the block and I am hoping fervently maybe the house 2 doors down will also be sold to
gays cause the two already here are really doing great things with their house,
planting gardens on front lawns and generally wonderful neighbors. sigh. my luck the
house 2 doors down will be sold to gay slobs... and Loghouse Republicans.
Ingrid

"Doug Kanter" wrote:
So...when I'd mention some of these upstanding citizens to the bus stop
hens, they'd remark that all neighborhoods have quirky people, and that I
should get used to it. In other words, they were OK living with the assholes
described above. But, heaven forbid the children should stop at the gay
guy's house on Halloween.




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according to quite a few sources the swift boat liars started after Kerry back when
he testified during Nixons adm. they been dogging him ever since.
Ingrid

"gregpresley" wrote:
Probably because of the way that news is transmitted in this country, the
vast majority of people don't realize that Kerry's emphasis on his Vietnam
experience in the Democratic convention was not the event that triggered the
reaction of the Swift Boat Liars in the ads that followed it in early
August.. That group actually began meeting and planning the moment Kerry won
the primary season, way back in March and April, and the book that John
O'Neill wrote was already being printed. In fact, Kerry probably felt that
he needed to set up a Vietnam background as a strength to contradict the
bullcrap that was already being staged to hit the fan in the late summer. I
get angry when I see major pundits proclaiming that Kerry set himself up to
be attacked by making his Vietnam experiences a part of the Convention -
when the attacks were already being made prior to the convention.


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Gay redneck Republicans in Arizona?

Do they carry guns too?


wrote in message
...
OK.. maybe reverse discrimination but I think we already have a couple gay
couples on
the block and I am hoping fervently maybe the house 2 doors down will also
be sold to
gays cause the two already here are really doing great things with their
house,
planting gardens on front lawns and generally wonderful neighbors. sigh.
my luck the
house 2 doors down will be sold to gay slobs... and Loghouse Republicans.
Ingrid

"Doug Kanter" wrote:
So...when I'd mention some of these upstanding citizens to the bus stop
hens, they'd remark that all neighborhoods have quirky people, and that I
should get used to it. In other words, they were OK living with the
assholes
described above. But, heaven forbid the children should stop at the gay
guy's house on Halloween.




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"Cereus-validus." wrote in message
. com...
Gay redneck Republicans in Arizona?

Do they carry guns too?

Come on, Billy Joe! Make him squeeeeeal like a pig burp! banjo music

Now that elections are over, I thought this would be appropriate. Most of you will get a good laugh out of this!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/302053.shtml

Newt

Now that elections are over, I thought this would be appropriate. Unfortunately, most of you should get a good laugh out of this, after you wipe your tears.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/302053.shtml

Newt

"Newt" wrote in message
...

paghat Wrote:
Put my ballot in the mail today. In the past I've gotten a bit weirded
out
voting before most everyone else, but what needed to be done this time
was
so obvious, if galling, that I just did the "all democrats" thing with
the
realization that if that doesn't work, things will only get worse,
whereas
if it does work, things may merely stay just as bad.

On our ballot the only well-represented third-party is Libertarians.
About
two out of every three of their basic ideas aren't all that nutty, but
when they're wrong, hooboy are they off the deep end nuts. If they
ever
had an ounce of power they promise to give the national forests away
to
big business who will of course be excellent guardians of the
resources
for everyone. And the moon is made of cheese. A civil libertarian
myself,
it annoys me that the word has become increasingly associated with
these
crackpots.

The Greens weren't well represented on the ballot & the Green
presidential
candidate is such a screw-loose dipshit anyway; yesterday I heard him
actually promising in his swishy Sylvester lisp, "We will fightth for
the
rightth of animalth and plantth." Well good for you buster, but I'm
afraid
the plants might outwit you, & by the way, you're embarrassing to
environmentalists. Or how about voting Nader -- that'd be like voting
for
a pot of moldy beans & then when you sit down to eat, surprise
surprise,
it's still moldy beans. Besides, he still owes me the $20 he stole
from
me.

Constitution party? Is there slogan on women's rights still, "Barefoot
&
Pregnant & In the Kitchen!" They make crazy-right Bush look like a
moderate. They're such fundamentalist twits with zero sense of
history,
talking about some alternate-world wherein founding fathers weren't
Deists
& Masons after all, but Baptists, & they're not joking, they really
believe their crap is sweet. The Constitution Party makes me miss the
Northwest Rhinocerous Party which ran on platforms of party hats &
moon
colonies & a tiddly-wink in every pot, which made ever so much more
logical sense. So while in past years I've liked to vote for the
occasional third party, this year there wouldn't've been any non-loony
choices anyhow.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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Now that elections are over, I thought this would be appropriate.
Unfortunately, most of you should get a good laugh out of this, after
you wipe your tears.

http://tinyurl.com/52e5w

Newt

Perfect. :-)

No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the email
rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of
all of us:

http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

-paggers

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

thought this would be appropriate.
Unfortunately, most of you should get a good laugh out of this, after
you wipe your tears.

http://tinyurl.com/52e5w

Ah, more claptrap from The People's Republic of Portland.
Time to succeed and join Canada, eh?

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:45:08 -0800, (paghat)
opined:

No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the email
rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of
all of us:

http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

-paggers


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.





Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend?
http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html

In article ,
says...
thought this would be appropriate.

Ah, more claptrap from The People's Republic of Portland.
Time to succeed and join Canada, eh?

I'm pretty sure you meant "secede", but "succeed" is more appropriate
than you'll ever know :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

As an intelligent dyslexic to a dumb one, that'd be secede, rather than
succeed

I'm sinistral, not dyslexic, and obviously, not perfect. But thanks for your
concern.
Speaking of Republics, did you see the first post election diplomatic shot
across the bow of old Europe by the Bush administration?. They UNILATERALY
recognized the Republic of Macedonia's name, much to the dismay of Greece, and
I'm sure shortly the EU and the UN.

http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews...d=2591&lang=US

From the red corner of a blue state with 'Katsura' peaking and Lachenalia
rising.

In article , Janet Baraclough..
wrote:

The message
from escape contains these words:


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live
in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man
running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Tush, V, that was "the greatest ever democracy in action". Imagine what
your illustrious demonstration must mean to all those envious
third-world dictatorships.

All those godly people who voted for Bush's track record, took personal
responsibility for his foreign policy and its consequences to
yourselves. They made your bed, now lie in it.

Bush's second term is the kiss of death to poodle Tony Blair's hopes of
re-election next year, btw, so you're on your own now.

Janet.(Scotland)

An added level of tragedy is that people who "love" Bush are in the
deepest kaka of all. They voted for him not because any of his policies
will benefit them, but because he bolsters their desire to express bigotry
against queers, ragheads, feminists, Jews for not praying to Jesus in the
public schools, darkies who don't toady to the "Republican" ideals (OF
COURSE someone like Powell who will destroy his own credibility for life
by lying his ass off for the Master is a good darky, but anyhone
disobediant to the master is dismissed as a crackhead ******). The "moral"
agenda of hatred for queers, hatred for non-christians, hatred for science
(for everything from proving evolution is real to pursuing stem cell
research), hatred for anything progressive (making "liberal" a dirty word
for failing to hate queers & darkies & ragheaeds quite enough) -- none of
this REALLY helps lower class white fundamentalists yabobs. if they cared
about themselves they'd be activists in unions; they'd be peace activists
so their own families have a chance of a decent lifespan; they'd be with
progressives seeking equality & opportunity for the underprivileged,
because the Lord knows these trailer park yabobs would benefit from that.
But noooooo, they think they'll come out of head if they can keep a few
queers at bay. Cuz God knows the waspy yabobs lives will mean nothing good
at all if faggots get married. Lordy lordy, if that were allowed, next
thing you know their own daddy will be marrying that godforsaken goat of
his.

The support they feel from the president on these matters really doesn't
improve their lives, as they still hunker down in trailer parks unable to
find decent jobs or get decent healthcare for themselves or their
children. But losing jobs because the president gave big taxbreaks for any
corporation who sends the jobs overseas, that affects their lives.
Trillions of dollars of national debt so that corporations don't have to
pay taxes & the bill for World War III can be paid off by our kids, that
will effect their lives supposing they ever do get a job in this life,
even if it's only in the no-other-choice volunteer army. A pay-as-you-go,
or just drop dead healthcare system kills them as rapidly as anyone it
kills anyone with a progressive viewpoint. The trailer yabobs who like him
best make up one of the biggest percentages of our recent wardead, because
they had no job opportunities but to volunteer to become cannon fodder.
There aren't many kids from well-off families dying over there.

Those of us who can see the obvious worry about all of America, not just
the ones who attend churches of bigotry. But they all too often just glory
in "ha ha! You don't have a president, we do!" Because Bush's #1 "moral"
agenda is to keep America divided, since a divided nation is one that
can't do anything about it as Bush Brother monitors even what we check out
of the library & whittles away at everyone's civil rights so that he can
continue to turn the nation over to multinational corporations who are
already making both domestic & international policy. The right may have
voted for him so he'll change the Constitution and make sure queers never
have equal rights, but even supposing he succeeds at that, to be able to
SMUGLY die of a treatable disease because you're po' white trash seems
small recompense.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

Don't you know that the typical Bush supporter is an illiterate idiot just
like him?

Remember that his foreign policy is "strategery"!!!


"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
thought this would be appropriate.

Ah, more claptrap from The People's Republic of Portland.
Time to succeed and join Canada, eh?

I'm pretty sure you meant "secede", but "succeed" is more appropriate
than you'll ever know :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

You got that right. You are one sinister mutant fascist mofo, Intrassihole.


"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
As an intelligent dyslexic to a dumb one, that'd be secede, rather than
succeed

I'm sinistral, not dyslexic, and obviously, not perfect. But thanks for
your
concern.
Speaking of Republics, did you see the first post election diplomatic shot
across the bow of old Europe by the Bush administration?. They
UNILATERALY
recognized the Republic of Macedonia's name, much to the dismay of Greece,
and
I'm sure shortly the EU and the UN.

Go sit on a bagpipe, you bed wetter tartan troll.


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from escape contains these words:


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live
in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man
running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Tush, V, that was "the greatest ever democracy in action". Imagine what
your illustrious demonstration must mean to all those envious
third-world dictatorships.

All those godly people who voted for Bush's track record, took personal
responsibility for his foreign policy and its consequences to
yourselves. They made your bed, now lie in it.

Bush's second term is the kiss of death to poodle Tony Blair's hopes of
re-election next year, btw, so you're on your own now.

Janet.(Scotland)

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:10:21 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
opined:

The message
from escape contains these words:


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live
in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man
running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Tush, V, that was "the greatest ever democracy in action". Imagine what
your illustrious demonstration must mean to all those envious
third-world dictatorships.

All those godly people who voted for Bush's track record, took personal
responsibility for his foreign policy and its consequences to
yourselves. They made your bed, now lie in it.

Bush's second term is the kiss of death to poodle Tony Blair's hopes of
re-election next year, btw, so you're on your own now.

Janet.(Scotland)

I'm on MY own? Nobody but I made my own bed. I'm not part of the big blob of
the toothless...sorry to anyone here who is toothless. I live in Austin where
Kerry blew out the county. Everywhere else in TX, Bush won. Yeeeeeeeeeeha.

So, let's hope smirky goes the way Nixon went. Down in a blaze of his
pomposity. Pretty soon, we'll all work at Walmart and buy Dell computers which
use Microsoft, who only gives jobs to India and Pakistan.

Yeah, things are looking up. Praise god.





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http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:45:08 -0800,
(paghat) wrote:

No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the email
rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of
all of us:

Was that recent? It looks more like his Texas governor days...

Dan

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:45:08 -0800,
(paghat) wrote:

No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the email
rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of
all of us:

Was that recent? It looks more like his Texas governor days...

Dan


You are correct. This was taped during a Texas campaign.

"escape" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:45:08 -0800,
(paghat)
opined:

No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the
email
rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of
all of us:

http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

-paggers


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live in
any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man running
it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Hopefully you didn't vote for that pig.

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from escape contains these words:


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live
in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man
running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Tush, V, that was "the greatest ever democracy in action". Imagine what
your illustrious demonstration must mean to all those envious
third-world dictatorships.

All those godly people who voted for Bush's track record, took personal
responsibility for his foreign policy and its consequences to
yourselves. They made your bed, now lie in it.

Bush's second term is the kiss of death to poodle Tony Blair's hopes of
re-election next year, btw, so you're on your own now.

Janet.(Scotland)

Someone buy this woman a rifle, please. She's "The One".

"IntarsiaCo" wrote in message
...
thought this would be appropriate.
Unfortunately, most of you should get a good laugh out of this, after
you wipe your tears.

http://tinyurl.com/52e5w

Ah, more claptrap from The People's Republic of Portland.
Time to succeed and join Canada, eh?

It's "secede", you moron. You must be a Bush voter. Illiterate, in other
words.

Yeah, Janet would be right at home in a Texas tower with a rifle taking pot
shots at everyone. She is one uptight angry bitch.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message
...
The message
from escape contains these words:


Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live
in any
more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot
believe
religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man
running it
gave us the finger. I don't understand anything.

Tush, V, that was "the greatest ever democracy in action". Imagine what
your illustrious demonstration must mean to all those envious
third-world dictatorships.

All those godly people who voted for Bush's track record, took personal
responsibility for his foreign policy and its consequences to
yourselves. They made your bed, now lie in it.

Bush's second term is the kiss of death to poodle Tony Blair's hopes of
re-election next year, btw, so you're on your own now.

Janet.(Scotland)

Someone buy this woman a rifle, please. She's "The One".