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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:07:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
opined: "escape" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:45:08 -0800, (paghat) opined: No doubt many of y'all saw this already because it's been making the rounds for a few weeks, but here's what George W. Bush really thinks of all of us: http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov -paggers Yes, saw it, know it, still know it. I don't know what country I live in any more. I cannot explain the feeling in this household. I cannot believe religion is running my country. I can't believe the religious man running it gave us the finger. I don't understand anything. Hopefully you didn't vote for that pig. I didn't vote for Bush. I actively campaigned against him. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... In article , says... An added level of tragedy is that people who "love" Bush are in the deepest kaka of all. They voted for him not because any of his policies will benefit them, but because he bolsters their desire to express bigotry against queers, ragheads, feminists, Jews for not praying to Jesus in the public schools, darkies who don't toady to the "Republican" ideals ... When we threw out voter qualification tests because they were being misused, we did the classic "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" There must be an unbiased way of testing if a voter nas even a minimal knowledge of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the candidates policies. If not, well, people get the government they deserve. You just won four dozen virtual beers or donuts - your choice. Last year, my 15 year old son forced me to take him from NY to PA for fireworks. He had a friend with him. When we saw the "welcome to Pennsyvania" sign, the friend expressed surprise that we didn't need to stop at customs. Oh boy. It's worse than you think. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:53:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
opined: You just won four dozen virtual beers or donuts - your choice. Last year, my 15 year old son forced me to take him from NY to PA for fireworks. He had a friend with him. When we saw the "welcome to Pennsyvania" sign, the friend expressed surprise that we didn't need to stop at customs. Oh boy. It's worse than you think. Carumba! That is bad. All of this makes me closer and closer to the day when we buy land and boondock with other like minds. All in the works, all in the works...somewhere warm. Victoria Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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says... bend, spindle, and mutilate. That's "fold, spindle, and mutilate". And as an old EAM operator, I can testify that they did all of that and more. We used to have to iron cards to get them through :-). -- Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description |
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= (paghat) in : = But don't feel bad, the president does it too. Here are some quotes from your hero George W. Bush just to lighten the mood: = GWB is government-subsidized competition for privately operated comedy.= this competition is unfair to hard-working comedians, who are = 'just trying to make a buck to feed their families'. What? Are you worried? http://thenation.com/covers/alfredw/alfredw.jpg |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:53:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
You just won four dozen virtual beers or donuts - your choice. Last year, my 15 year old son forced me to take him from NY to PA for fireworks. He had a friend with him. When we saw the "welcome to Pennsyvania" sign, the friend expressed surprise that we didn't need to stop at customs. Oh boy. It's worse than you think. Sounds like a pretty stupid kid, and another good case against today's educational system. Swyck |
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Larry Blanchard expounded:
The problem is that nobody is as "right" as a religious conservative. After all, God has told him/her what to do. The problem is not all Bush supporters are religious conservatives/fanatics. It's a myth that everyone who voted for Bush is a bible thumping christian. I've seen more fanaticism on the left lately. The inability to realize that people from all walks of life voted in Bush is blinding many liberals. It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, it's not just the religious right, it's not just the idiots, blah blah blah. People voted him in. People can vote him out. Especially if those people who want him out fronted a worthy opponent. The Democrats should have picked a better candidate. Or someone should have. Hopefully in four years someone worthy of all of our votes will run for office. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
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Ann wrote:
It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, it's not just the religious right, it's not just the idiots, blah blah blah. You are right, it is the also the very wealthy who have partnered with the very ignorant to vote him in for a second term. That is a pretty awesome partnership and one that I don't think will be broken. The very wealthy are too greedy to vote against their "Family Values" and the very ignorant will never get any wiser. |
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:45:52 -0500, wrote:
simply incredibly stupid and incapable of forming a rational opinion worth considering...... |
In article , wrote:
Ann wrote: It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, it's not just the religious right, it's not just the idiots, blah blah blah. You are right, it is the also the very wealthy who have partnered with the very ignorant to vote him in for a second term. That is a pretty awesome partnership and one that I don't think will be broken. The very wealthy are too greedy to vote against their "Family Values" and the very ignorant will never get any wiser. The real problem with Ann's observation is she believes someone from Kentucky has to be a redneck farmer. She has expressed strange beliefs about all liberals collectively just as she has about all Kentuckians. I'm not surprised that a brain filled with hateful stereotypes but not very aware of the actual complexity of people would also be dumb enough to think it's a really good idea to vote for & praise someone who has promised to change the Constitution to limit gays' civil rights, wants to end women's right to choose, wants to "privatize" social security so that when it goes bankrupt at least his Enron-type buddies will profit, wages war to kill thousands upon thousands of people over pretend weopons of mass destruction but for very real oil company profits, who as a governor of Texas made "funny" jokes about executing a woman and a retarded man, who has been selling off the national forest to the deforestation industry, who through political corruption has undermined, dismantled, or weakened most of our environmental protection laws to pay back his biggest campaign donors, who weekly uses Orwellian language to say one thing & do the opposite, who made Marianne Horinko head of the air division of EPA not caring that Horinko's previous job was instructing industrial polluters how to avoid the Superfund & even hired EPA's second in command from Monsanto & put ex-CEOs of major polluters in positions of sub-secretariats in charge of the departments of Energy, Agriculture, & Interior, who bankrupted the Superfund which was formerly financed by a small tax on the chemical and oil industry which Bush repealed, who has set new precedence of not honoring the Geneva Conference on treatment of prisoners of war, directly resulting in violations of the Vienna Convention on on Consular Relations and the Convention against Torture, who has subverted the Constitution in order to reinstate the infamous "Cointelpro" program permitting domestic spying on any and all citizens of the United States without requiring a reason, who has convinced gullible plebians that judges who have high regard for the Constitution are horrible so-called "activist judges" who must be replaced by judges with no regard for the Constitution, who has continuously violated the Nuremburg Charter, who evaded military service to his own country but didn't think twice before resorting to hired thugs to run smear-campaigns against at least two decorated veterans, who with 48 hours of the Twin Towers falling was already assisting family members of Osama bin Laden who did not want to be interviewed by the FBI and so never were but were hustled out of the United States with special permission from the White House, who tried to appoint an extremist anti-gay activist who called AIDS a punishment for the sin of homosexuality to the AIDS Advisory Panel, appointed Gerald Owens a leading opponent of Civil Rights legislation to a Department of Education watchdog post to make sure no civil rights were watchdogged then jestingly pointed out that it was okay to do away with civil rights since Owens was black, terminated the White House Office for Women's Initiatives & OUtreach, shut down regional Women's Bureau offices, and for good measure saw to it that women athletes could qualify for fewer education grants, has presided over the deterioration of working class incomes while the richest 2% become far richer -- & that's just the tip of the iceberg for a man who in only four years has proven himself the most harmful president of the past century. By the way, here's a copy of George W. Bush's DWI arrest record: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html Sure, it was the 1970s, but the man was drunk for a couple of decades & couldn't possibly have many brain cells left undamaged. Being an alchy does explain why Laura likes the dumb *******, since she KILLED one of her boyfriends as a drunk driver & only too bad she wasn't dating Bushy so it could've been him. Here's the philosophical query: If you could go back in time & kill an evil president before he committed any harmful acts & thereby you had saved the planet, would it have been itself an evil act to have killed such a creature while he was still young & comparatively innocent of any crimes? Impeach Bush! -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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"Paul E. Lehmann" expounded:
You are right, it is the also the very wealthy who have partnered with the very ignorant to vote him in for a second term. And what I find extremely amusing is that it's perfectly ok to talk in metaphores and stereotypes about anyone on the right, but boy oh boy you'd better not try to stereotype a liberal. Paghat, take it away....... -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
Ann wrote:
"Paul E. Lehmann" expounded: You are right, it is the also the very wealthy who have partnered with the very ignorant to vote him in for a second term. And what I find extremely amusing is that it's perfectly ok to talk in metaphores and stereotypes about anyone on the right, but boy oh boy you'd better not try to stereotype a liberal. Go ahead and stereotype the most famous LIBERAL of them all; JESUS CHRIST |
wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:56:35 -0800, (paghat) wrote: snip Those of us who can see the obvious worry about all of America, not just the ones who attend churches of bigotry. But they all too often just glory in "ha ha! You don't have a president, we do!" Because Bush's #1 "moral" agenda is to keep America divided, since a divided nation is one that can't do anything about it as Bush Brother monitors even what we check out of the library & whittles away at everyone's civil rights so that he can continue to turn the nation over to multinational corporations who are already making both domestic & international policy. The right may have voted for him so he'll change the Constitution and make sure queers never have equal rights, but even supposing he succeeds at that, to be able to SMUGLY die of a treatable disease because you're po' white trash seems small recompense. -paghat the ratgirl Sorry, paghat but you're wrong here. I generally have a lot of respect for your opinions, but you don't really know a lot about Bush supporters if you say these things. There are a lot of delusions going around these days, but the fear of a right wing theocratic fascist nation is one of the less credible ones going around. But since I'm a Bush supporter I must either be outright evil, or simply incredibly stupid and incapable of forming a rational opinion on my own. It's too bad that issues can't be discussed these days without fear, hate, and scorn but I've noticed that it seems to be OK to be intolerant as long as you're "right". Its a shame since there are a lot of problems in the world today and it will be difficult to solve many of them using a line in the sand mentality. Swyck If you don't read every single article about "upgrades" to the Patriot Act, worry a lot and write to your representatives about it, you're stupid. If you do NOT read everything you can get your hands on because you can't imagine your government doing anything really bad, you are evil, you are a useless citizen, and you are guilty of treason. Simple, eh? |
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kinda hard to get around the language, but..... interesting. Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , says... It's too bad that issues can't be discussed these days without fear, hate, and scorn but I've noticed that it seems to be OK to be intolerant as long as you're "right". The problem is that nobody is as "right" as a religious conservative. After all, God has told him/her what to do. There was a letter to the editor in our paper this morning saying that the reason France/Germany/etc. didn't understand us was that Christianity was "almost dead" in those countries. While that's a bit of an exaggeration, it is true that the US is the most religious of the industrialized nations. We're not quite to the Ayatollah stage yet, but we're leaning that way. It's hard to rationally "discuss" issues with fanatics :-). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
actually, I would say people who voted for Bush could well be voting against the
majority of their own interests. economic, social, and religious, moral. I call it "love the fetus, hate the child" voting, cause while Bush may be tossing a few votes to the right wing he is cutting programs that would help our most destitute, like mothers and their children. And sending other children off to die in a war. It is the old political scam. pretend to be exactly what you are not and then accuse your opponent of being that which you are. the right wing fanatics are only a small part of the voters for Bush as are the wealthy. the rest are people who vote "personality" or based on feelings and beliefs, not on facts. INgrid "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote: wrote: But since I'm a Bush supporter I must either be outright evil, or simply incredibly stupid and incapable of forming a rational opinion on my own. Well said. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
those who dont know how the Nazi party came to power in Germany are doomed to repeat
it. Martin Niemöller: 'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me." Bush's strategy (those of the Republicans in control) is to run the debt so high that all social programs will be cut out completely. Pass oversight but dont fund it so the environment can be plundered. Force drilling in pristine wilderness, force grazing on public lands. etc. "Doug Kanter" wrote: If you don't read every single article about "upgrades" to the Patriot Act, worry a lot and write to your representatives about it, you're stupid. If you do NOT read everything you can get your hands on because you can't imagine your government doing anything really bad, you are evil, you are a useless citizen, and you are guilty of treason. Simple, eh? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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In article , wrote:
Ann wrote: "Paul E. Lehmann" expounded: You are right, it is the also the very wealthy who have partnered with the very ignorant to vote him in for a second term. And what I find extremely amusing is that it's perfectly ok to talk in metaphores and stereotypes about anyone on the right, but boy oh boy you'd better not try to stereotype a liberal. Go ahead and stereotype the most famous LIBERAL of them all; JESUS CHRIST Oh, I dunno, I thought hanging out with hookers was a habit of conservative ministers, taking all their money for one's own projects the habit of pimps, & dividing families with the sword as Jesus promulgated the habit of dictators. People get out of their faith only what they would get from their lives if they had no fate. It would be nice if faith were a cure for bigotry, ignorance, & general vileness, but it instead heightens what is most small-minded, criminal, & appalling about humankind. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... In article , says... Larry Blanchard expounded: The problem is that nobody is as "right" as a religious conservative. After all, God has told him/her what to do. The problem is not all Bush supporters are religious conservatives/fanatics. It's a myth that everyone who voted for Bush is a bible thumping christian. You're right. It's just that they voted more for Bush than just about any other group - with the possible exception of millionaires :-). I get the feeling that most people vote a party ticket with no concern for whoever is on it. It's a shame because neither party is what it used to be. Anybody else remember the old saying "Democrats give us a war, Republicans give us a depression."? It's true. We had to choose the lesser of two blahs. While at the Philadelphia airport last week, I spotted a magazine cover - might've been The Economist. It had a picture of both candidates and the caption "Incoherent or Incompetent?" The weekend after the election, I was out with a bunch of friends. We (both Dems and Repubs) were bemoaning the disaster. One guy went to the bar and came back with 3 pencils and some clean napkins. He said "OK...if your party said 'Send us $1000.00 and we'll guarantee the candidate of your choice is nominated next time around' - write that person's name on your napkins". There were 10 of us. Results: 1 vote for Bush (but the guy who wrote it was intensely drunk) 1 vote for Kerry (but the guy who chose him has no imagination) 1 vote for Reagan's son - what's his name. 1 vote for Rudolph Giuliani. Good choice. 5 votes for Mario Cuomo (Keep in mind, we're all from NY, so we don't mind people who are brutally honest, use big words, and who don't talk down to audiences). Two of Mario's 5 votes came from Republicans. This country is longing for something different. I doubt it'll ever get it. |
In article , Janet Baraclough..
wrote: The message from (paghat) contains these words: In article , wrote: Ann wrote: It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, The real problem with Ann's observation is she believes someone from Kentucky has to be a redneck farmer. When a person with your highly developed language skills misrepresents what Ann said, one can only suppose it to be deliberate. Which instantly undermines the credibility of everything else you say. I'd say that's a real problem. Janet Get real. Ann said this: "I've seen more fanaticism on the left lately. The inability to realize that people from all walks of life voted in Bush is blinding many liberals. It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, it's not just the religious right, it's not just the idiots" No liberal ever said that; Ann said it. She imposed it on liberals but it came out of HER view of the meaning of Left and Right. She constructed her own straw dog & blamed her stereotyped view on liberals. Since she sure as hell never got this from liberals, it's HER take on humanity. Every time she speaks politically another dumbass stereotype pops out of her because she believes in 'em. Defining liberals in such straw-dog terms REQUIRES a mind that could think of Kentuckians as symbols of red-states in equally stereotypical terms. Both stereotypes stem from a single mentality: Ann's. Her further statement "The Democrats should have picked a better candidate" has slightly more merit. I can only imagine the Democratic mucklymucks figured that since a piece of shit alchoholic who can only gibber when someone doesn't work him like a handpuppet is regarded super-electable by the religious right, then a sober piece of spent chewing gum would automatically be viewed as better than shit. But shit at least has value as fertilizer, spent gum is just cheap latex. -paggers -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
DLC president Bruce Reed opened the discussion by enjoining Democrats to....
focus on the party's fundamental problems. "The core of Democrats' problem is the same as it was when the DLC was founded 20 years ago: the middle class doesn't trust us enough to stand up for their security, their values, or their economic interests Al From, the DLC's CEO and founder: "Accept the truth" that Republicans have achieved majority status, albeit a narrow majority; "Expand the map" by working on a Democratic revival in "red states"; Address three "trust gaps" that have become obstacles to acceptance of Democratic candidates: a "security gap," a "culture gap" and a "reform gap"; Brownstein suggested that Bush might have won half of the white union vote, and that the Democrats' "southwestern strategy" of focusing on states with large Hispanic populations might have been a mistake." Brownstein argued that one danger sign for Democrats is that they are not doing as well in "red states" as the Republicans are doing in "blue states." "Red America is becoming Fortress America," he observed, noting that over the last two elections Democrats have lost 10 out of 10 open Senate seats in the South. As the one successful Democratic Senate candidate in the South on November 2, Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas offered three thoughts for Democrats in communicating with voters they have been losing in "red states:" "Trust the voters" to understand the issues that most affect their lives, instead of trying to tell them what they should care about; "Get rid of sacred cows" in talking about domestic issues, and stop defending federal programs as ends in themselves; "Get comfortable talking about your faith" as a way of instilling trust in the values of Democratic elected officials. Former Clinton White House political director Doug Sosnik argued that "elections are often lagging indicators of political trends," and suggested that the 2004 results reflected a long period of growth in Republican strength rather than any clear advantage in the future. But he also agreed with all the other panelists in urging Democrats to get better in touch not just with the values, but with the day-to-day lives of voters. "The vast majority of people in this country don't think of themselves as 'red people' or 'blue people,'" he said. "They think of themselves as just normal people living their lives." |
Democrats to abandon "liberal" agenda, hard shift to right:
Reid, who as Democratic whip was Daschle's top lieutenant as well as his loyal friend for the past six years, had promises of support from a majority of next year's 44 Senate Democrats two hours after Daschle publicly conceded his seat to Republican John Thune. That enabled Reid to easily fend off a challenge from Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd, who was also interested in the job. Reid, more conservative than Daschle and many other Democrats, is antiabortion and has voted against an assault-weapons ban Ouch!!! |
By Michael Barone
The 51 percent nation Love is stronger than hate. That is the lesson of the 2004 election results. Millions of Democrats and leftists have been seething with hatred for George W. Bush for years, and many of them lined up before the polls opened to cast their votes against him--one reason, apparently, that the exit poll results turned out to favor Democrats more than did the actual results. But Republicans full of love, or at least affection, for George W. Bush turned out steadily later in the day or sent in their ballots days before. They have watched the "old media" --the New York Times, the broadcast networks CBS, ABC, and NBC--beat up on Bush for the past year, and they have listened to the sneers and slurs directed at him by coastal elites for a long time. Now they had their chance to speak. They did so loudly and clearly, giving Bush the first popular-vote majority for president in 16 years. |
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Larry Blanchard expounded:
I get the feeling that most people vote a party ticket with no concern for whoever is on it. It's a shame because neither party is what it used to be. Anybody else remember the old saying "Democrats give us a war, Republicans give us a depression."? Yep. As I've said many times, no one worth voting for ran this time. Hopefully in four years we'll have a better selection. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
In article , Ann
wrote: (paghat) expounded: Get real. Ann said this: Get real. Ann said whatever Paghat wants to believe she said. Only Paghat has any literary license, and only Paghat can interpret what others say as the truth. Quoted you verbatim kiddo. Left out nothin'. If you don't like your own words take more care when you reveal your wacky belief systems, BOTH about redneck Kentuckians & all those yicky liberals. It's your dichotomized world you projected on straw-dog liberals, but it came right out of you, nowhere else. -paggers -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:48:28 -0500, Ann wrote:
Misinterpreting what other people say is a liberal standard. We must continue the work of education reform, to bring high standards and accountability not just to our elementary and secondary schools, but to our high schools, as well. -- Ummm... high schools are secondary schools, Dubya. Washington, D.C., Nov. 4, 2004 |
"Ann" wrote:
Yep. As I've said many times, no one worth voting for ran this time. Hopefully in four years we'll have a better selection. Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA Next election... Skull and Bones (R) Skull and Bones (D) Unknown Wildcard Independents -- Jim Carlock Post replies to newsgroup. |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:20:37 -0800, (paghat)
opined: Get real. Ann said this: "I've seen more fanaticism on the left lately. The inability to realize that people from all walks of life voted in Bush is blinding many liberals. It's not just the redneck farmer from Kentucky, it's not just the religious right, it's not just the idiots" No liberal ever said that; Ann said it. She imposed it on liberals but it came out of HER view of the meaning of Left and Right. She constructed her own straw dog & blamed her stereotyped view on liberals. Since she sure as hell never got this from liberals, it's HER take on humanity. Every time she speaks politically another dumbass stereotype pops out of her because she believes in 'em. Defining liberals in such straw-dog terms REQUIRES a mind that could think of Kentuckians as symbols of red-states in equally stereotypical terms. Both stereotypes stem from a single mentality: Ann's. Her further statement "The Democrats should have picked a better candidate" has slightly more merit. I can only imagine the Democratic mucklymucks figured that since a piece of shit alchoholic who can only gibber when someone doesn't work him like a handpuppet is regarded super-electable by the religious right, then a sober piece of spent chewing gum would automatically be viewed as better than shit. But shit at least has value as fertilizer, spent gum is just cheap latex. -paggers ....and today I was in the truck and heard some of Hannity's show and he and the former Bush campaign muckity muck was praising god and "the lord" with Hannity that Bush won. Yay. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:48:28 -0500, Ann opined:
(paghat) expounded: Get real. Ann said this: Get real. Ann said whatever Paghat wants to believe she said. Only Paghat has any literary license, and only Paghat can interpret what others say as the truth. Ya. Misinterpreting what other people say is a liberal standard. Do carry on! She quoted every word you said. I'm not sure I know what you're driving at. You mean, you didn't say what I saw you say? OR, you didn't mean what you said? OR, you said it, but it was misunderstood? I'm a liberal democrat. I don't misinterpret as a standard. I also don't put people into neat categories, as it seems you feel comfortable doing. But that's okay, you must be very happy now. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
Not that anyone cares at this point in the thread, but it's clear that there
were 5 main groups voting strongly for Bush. People who earn more than $200,000, people who believe that the only real business of government is defense/(offence), people who think that sticking to one point of view (no matter how discredited) is more indicative of leadership than flexibility is, people who live in small towns with perhaps less access to a variety of news sources, and people who are religious conservatives. There are some overlaps between these groups, notably the religious conservatives and small town groups. What can be said unequivocably is that Bush could not have won this election without the religious conservative vote. Just subtract their numbers (20,000,000 or so) and you get a Kerry over Bush victory 56,000,000 to 39,000,000. So on issues which could be argued on a rational basis, you have a significant, but smaller group of Republicans. Even though I disagree with those voters, at least we could argue political philosophy, numbers, motives, cost/benefit, etc. Once you get into the realm of which candidate truly believes "Jesus Christ is my personal Savior", and how you would prove that, you've lost the ability to have a rational political discussion. But as I wrote to my Republican brother recently, the Democrats faced internal disunity for over 100 years between the northern Democrats and the southern Democrats. The northerns were anti-slavery, the southerns pro, the northerns willing to assist the implementation of Amendments XIII and XIV, the southerns to obstruct them, the northerns to pass civil rights legislation in the 50's and 60's, the southerns to obstruct them, the northerns to encourage scientific knowledge and debate, the southerns to vote on public officials depending on their stand on evolution. Now the Republicans have "inherited" the south, and with that inheritance come a lot of problematical issues and potential divisions down the road. Barry Goldwater spent the last years of his life warning his fellow Republicans that there would be tremendous trouble in store for them if they allowed the Christian right to become dominant in their party, and I would say that we've arrived at that point. |
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