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Old 25-11-2004, 12:01 PM
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It is not a myth. Poinsettias are indeed toxic. Eat them and you will get
very ill and vomit. That is most certainly a toxic reaction. What they are
not is DEADLY LETHAL!!!

Steve Jones The Plant Man is a shill for the plant industry. He's just
playing with words. He should put his money where his mouth is and eat
Poinsettias himself and find out first-hand just how toxic they really are.


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The Plant Man column
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The Plant Man
by Steve Jones
www.landsteward.org

Poinsettias are non-toxic, despite the persistent myth!

For me, Thanksgiving always seems to be the point where fall ends and

winter
begins. The official calendar may disagree with me, but with Thanksgiving
behind us and Christmas less than a month away, I'm already thinking about
next spring.

For landscapers and gardeners, its not visions of sugar plums dancing in

our
heads. Rather, it's visions of fresh, green growth and emerging new buds
that we know are just around the corner. Well, almost...

First we must get through the rest of the Holidays with the minimum of
stress! In my next column, I will suggest a few stocking stuffers
(wheelbarrow stuffers?) for the gardeners on your list, or as
"I-deserve-it" treats for yourself.

But today, let's debunk a myth that seems to surface every year at about
this time.

The myth: Poinsettias are toxic.

The reality: They're not.

The origin of this misinformation apparently dates back to 1919 when the
death of an army officer's two-year-old child was wrongly attributed to

the
ingestion of Poinsettia leaves. Since then, according to web sites such

as
www.truthorfiction.com the myth of the poisonous Poinsettia has continued

to
spread.

A 50 lb child would have to eat 1.25 lbs of Poinsettia bracts (about 500

to
600 leaves) to exceed the experimental doses reported by the POISINDEX
Information Service. Poisindex is the reference used by most poison

control
centers. You can read the full story at a web site that tracks urban

legends
he http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/poinsettia.asp and there is

a
direct link from this column archived under "The Plant Man" heading at my
web site, www.landsteward.org if you'd care to read it.

Furthermore, the snopes web site reports that the American Medical
Association's "Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants" lists nothing
more than occasional vomiting as a side effect of ingesting otherwise
harmless poinsettia leaves.

"It's a testament to the persistence of myths," says Paul Bachman,

marketing
chairman of the Society of American Florists and quoted at
www.twilightbridge.com "Poinsettias simply are not toxic. That was proven

23
years ago and we want to set the record straight."

Researchers at Ohio State University have measured the effects of

ingesting
unusually high doses of all parts of the plant, including the leaves, stem
and sap, and found the plants to be non-toxic.

But if you believe that Poinsettias are poisonous, you're not alone. In a
poll mentioned at the twilightbridge web site, only 16% of adults knew

that
the plants are non-toxic. (50% of respondents believed Poinsettias are
poisonous and 34% said they didn't know.)

But I have to say, I definitely do NOT suggest that any part of a

Poinsettia
should be eaten, particularly by small children, who could suffer some
discomfort and stomach upset even though they will not be poisoned.

Animals - particularly cats - should be kept away from Poinsettias because
they tend to vomit after eating ANY houseplant... even those "cat oats"

that
are grown specifically for them to chomp on.

So... for your peace of mind (and to avoid cleaning up kitty puke from the
rug) it's a good idea to display your Holiday Poinsettias away from the

kids
and the cats, even if you now know that no permanent damage is likely to
occur.

What about those other traditional Holiday decorations, holly and ivy?

According to various medical resources, most types of ivy would cause a
burning sensation in the throat when ingested. And eating the leaves or
berries of most varieties of holly would cause vomiting, nausea and
diarrhea. Again, all excellent reasons to keep your festive greenery away
from little hands and paws, but not particularly life-threatening!

Remember, I'm always pleased to receive your comments or questions and I

try
to respond personally via e-mail within a couple of days.

The Plant Man is here to help. Send your questions about trees, shrubs and
landscaping to and for resources and additional
information, or to subscribe to Steve's free e-mailed newsletter, visit
www.landsteward.org



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In article ,
"Cereus-validus..." wrote:

It is not a myth. Poinsettias are indeed toxic. Eat them and you will get
very ill and vomit. That is most certainly a toxic reaction. What they are
not is DEADLY LETHAL!!!


Numerous studies have been conducted on poinsettias feeding them to rats
looking for a toxic level of exposure. There is none. They would rarely
even induce vomiting, though that's a personal response, one can vomit
from eating anything from one blade of grass to too many Muskateer bars.
Rat studies on poinsettias as a major part of diet found no toxic effects
whatsoever, zip, nada.

Steve Jones The Plant Man is a shill for the plant industry. He's just
playing with words. He should put his money where his mouth is and eat
Poinsettias himself and find out first-hand just how toxic they really are.


That may be true of Steve Jones, but here's a repost of my bit re
poinsettias, as it is indeed getting to be that time of year again:

REPOST:

Poinsettas are harmless to pets & people.

To quote Keith L. Smith of the Ohio State University Agricultural Extension:
"Various reports over the years have led the general public to believe
poinsettias are toxic to humans; however, this has not been authenticated.
Research conducted at The Ohio State University & other institutions has
proved the old wives' tale that poinsettias are poisonous to be false."

Yet it is a deeply ingrained myth that poinsettias are toxic. It is so
ingrained that it gets tossed onto dozens of "poisonous plants lists" with
no one bothering to check to find out if there is actually any toxic
alkaloid in this plant, & even veterinarians will state with straight
faces that poinsettias will kill cats or dogs, though no veterinarian on
earth has ever seen this happen because it can't happen. The mature plant
exudes a white milk similar to that of toxic euphorbias, which would tend
to increase the belief in this myth once it got started, but there is not
one case on record of poinsettias injuring pets, & people, & the caustic
level is about the same as that of a dandylion.

The currently prevailing theory is that the myth began in Hawaii in 1919,
when a two year old child was found dead under a full
grown poinsettia tree, with a poinsettia leaf in her hand. This is the
ONLY death-by-poinsettia ever reported, & it was a 100% false report. A
Cornell University professor in 1972 attempted long after the case to
track down the specifics, knowing as he did that poinsettias are nontoxic.
The last living witness to the case said there had never been poinsettias
involved in the only known case of poinsettia poisoning; that he didn't
know how the story got started since poinsettias were not involved [see
details in THE MEXICAN PET].

In close to a century since, one additional case of moderate illness
has been reported, but it was not medically tested at the time, & could've
been anything, but the parent presenting a child with stomach upset had
seen the child eat a poinsettia leaf. This was the much-cited case was in
Rochester, NY, in 1965, but the child did not need to be treated for
anything whatsoever.

The urban folktale itself causes headaches for florists & poinsettia
ranchers, as nothing squelches the belief. The Paul Ecke Poinsettia Ranch
strives every winter to undue this unkillable myth, to the point that
market manager Thom David grabs a few bracts & eats them right in front of
anyone who persists in the belief, & that always settles the matter, so
perhaps he should do this on Fear Factor, as nothing less would reach
enough people to have any chance of turning the widespread belief around.

Harrassed by superstitious activists who wanted the government to force
the poinsettia industry to put toxic warning labels on poinsettias, the
Consumer Products Safety Commission accumulated all relevant literature, &
in 1975 denied the petition, issuing instead a clean bill of health for
the complete safety of poinsettias, citing the complete lack of any
evidence to the contrary. Yet a Bruskin/Goldring Research poll of 1,000
Americans found that 50% were certain poinsettias were poisonous, 34%
didn't know, & only 16% were well informed. They found that women were
more prone to believing the myth than men; & anyone under the age of 50
was more apt to believe it than anyone aged 50 or older (so we DO get
wiser as we age!); & people in the Northeast were more prone to believing
the myth than were people in the West.

Many otherwise harmless plant alkaloids in sufficient concentration can
cause vomiting, for which reason the American Medicical Association's
poison handbook still states that poinsettias might cause stomach upset or
vomiting, though otherwise harmless. The AMA is being overcautious even at
that, since stomach upset & vomiting can be induced by a cheap meal at
Taco Time. A study by the Academic Faculty of Entomology at Ohio State
University measured effects of ingesting large amounts of the plant & were
unable to reach a toxic level. Using rat models, a diet of poinsettia
leaves had no adverse effects, a zero mortality rate, zero symptoms of
toxicity, no changes in behavior, & they were fed serially each part of
the poinsettia to find out if any part of it was even mildly toxic. So far
as the rats were concerned, the poinsettia is completely edible raw,
though for a human to eat them one would need to be awfully desparate, as
the bitter taste is extremely horrible. They established that if a 50
pound dog or child could eat the equivalent of between 500 & 600 of the
bracts, or a pound & a half of the sap, they would still not have reached
a toxic dosage. In essence they found it to be completely nontoxic.

The Ohio research has been duplicated by other institutes because of the
persistance of the belief, & the results are always the same. A study by
the Children?s Hospital in Pittsburgh & Carnegie Mellon University found
that out of 22,793 poinsettia exposures in the American Association of
Poison Control Centers database, not one case of toxicity was present. In
1996, Dr. Edward Krenzelok, director of Pittsburgh Poison Center,
analyzed data on 850,000 poinsettia exposure reports in the database of
the American Association of Poison Countrol Centers, finding not one case
of authentic poisoning. It is extremely hard for children to successfully
swallow the leaves because they taste so damned bad, but in that enormous
database were 92 cases involving children injesting substantial quantities of
poinsettias, inducing very worried parents to contact poison centers. NOT
ONE of these cases resulted in even slightly harmful effects.

My own suspicion is the myth originally transferred from Christmas
mistletoe (mildly toxic) & English holly (much more toxic), which are
properly worried about.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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Old 25-11-2004, 09:19 PM
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"Cereus-validus..." wrote:

It is not a myth. Poinsettias are indeed toxic. Eat them and you will

get
very ill and vomit. That is most certainly a toxic reaction. What they

are
not is DEADLY LETHAL!!!


Numerous studies have been conducted on poinsettias feeding them to rats
looking for a toxic level of exposure. There is none. They would rarely
even induce vomiting, though that's a personal response, one can vomit
from eating anything from one blade of grass to too many Muskateer bars.
Rat studies on poinsettias as a major part of diet found no toxic effects
whatsoever, zip, nada.


All of the above, including the rest of the post now snipped, is quite
true - toxicity of poinsettias if ingested is exremely low. However internal
consumption is hardly the problem. If anyone has worked with euphorbias
(poinsettia = Euphorbia pulcherrima) of any kind, they are aware that the
white latex (sap) emitted by the plant is a caustic agent. Reactions may be
different acording to individual sensitivities, but it can produce
dermatitis and blistering and most certainly occular irritation including
keratoconjunctivitis. This is the largest risk for kids or pets nibbling or
ingesting the plant - not that they would eat it but rather the latex could
affect delicate and sensitive tissues. Avoid getting the latex near any
mucous membranes and if at all possible, off of bare skin. If the plant is
damaged or broken, and the latex is touched, wash it off immediately.

I have worked with euphorbs for years and am well aware myself of the
properties of the latex and it has never bothered me, so I tended to
discount its causticness myself. However, my 14 y.o. daughter did contract a
rather impressive case of phytodermatitis from the plant this summer, simply
by applying price tags to nursery containers. Apparently, she is one of
those with particular sensitivity to it. The blisters lasted for nearly two
weeks and required a doctor's attention.

pam - gardengal


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"Pam - gardengal" wrote in message
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All of the above, including the rest of the post now snipped, is quite
true - toxicity of poinsettias if ingested is exremely low. However

internal
consumption is hardly the problem. If anyone has worked with euphorbias
(poinsettia = Euphorbia pulcherrima) of any kind, they are aware that the
white latex (sap) emitted by the plant is a caustic agent. Reactions may

be
different acording to individual sensitivities, but it can produce
dermatitis and blistering and most certainly occular irritation including
keratoconjunctivitis. This is the largest risk for kids or pets nibbling

or
ingesting the plant - not that they would eat it but rather the latex

could
affect delicate and sensitive tissues. Avoid getting the latex near any
mucous membranes and if at all possible, off of bare skin. If the plant is
damaged or broken, and the latex is touched, wash it off immediately.

I have worked with euphorbs for years and am well aware myself of the
properties of the latex and it has never bothered me, so I tended to
discount its causticness myself. However, my 14 y.o. daughter did contract

a
rather impressive case of phytodermatitis from the plant this summer,

simply
by applying price tags to nursery containers. Apparently, she is one of
those with particular sensitivity to it. The blisters lasted for nearly

two
weeks and required a doctor's attention.


And that might be because she was diabetic. My grandmammy as I recall broke
out when handling the poinsettia that was given her around Christmas when
she "fooled with it" and so the task of caring for it during the Christmas
season fell onto Pearline who adored and loved any flower or
plant....(another recessed memory regarding my sweet Aunt Pearline who was
responsible for my gardening madness surfaces.....)
madgardener who believes that poinsettia's are not TOXIC.....can be
irritating to some people and who loves all the diversities of the
poinsettia's but doesn't grow or have them herself (my cacti and succulents
and few tropicals and ferns suffer enough in my warm, dry house, thank you)
up on the ridge, back in Fairy Holler, overlooking English Mountain in
Eastern Tennessee

pam - gardengal




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Phytotoxicity and sensitivity to plant toxins has nothing to do with
diabetes.

In logic, what you are alluding to is called "false cause" also know as
coincidence.


"madgardener" wrote in message
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"Pam - gardengal" wrote in message
news:_%rpd.150651$R05.19634@attbi_s53...
All of the above, including the rest of the post now snipped, is quite
true - toxicity of poinsettias if ingested is exremely low. However

internal
consumption is hardly the problem. If anyone has worked with euphorbias
(poinsettia = Euphorbia pulcherrima) of any kind, they are aware that

the
white latex (sap) emitted by the plant is a caustic agent. Reactions may

be
different acording to individual sensitivities, but it can produce
dermatitis and blistering and most certainly occular irritation

including
keratoconjunctivitis. This is the largest risk for kids or pets nibbling

or
ingesting the plant - not that they would eat it but rather the latex

could
affect delicate and sensitive tissues. Avoid getting the latex near any
mucous membranes and if at all possible, off of bare skin. If the plant

is
damaged or broken, and the latex is touched, wash it off immediately.

I have worked with euphorbs for years and am well aware myself of the
properties of the latex and it has never bothered me, so I tended to
discount its causticness myself. However, my 14 y.o. daughter did

contract
a
rather impressive case of phytodermatitis from the plant this summer,

simply
by applying price tags to nursery containers. Apparently, she is one of
those with particular sensitivity to it. The blisters lasted for nearly

two
weeks and required a doctor's attention.


And that might be because she was diabetic. My grandmammy as I recall

broke
out when handling the poinsettia that was given her around Christmas when
she "fooled with it" and so the task of caring for it during the Christmas
season fell onto Pearline who adored and loved any flower or
plant....(another recessed memory regarding my sweet Aunt Pearline who was
responsible for my gardening madness surfaces.....)
madgardener who believes that poinsettia's are not TOXIC.....can be
irritating to some people and who loves all the diversities of the
poinsettia's but doesn't grow or have them herself (my cacti and

succulents
and few tropicals and ferns suffer enough in my warm, dry house, thank

you)
up on the ridge, back in Fairy Holler, overlooking English Mountain in
Eastern Tennessee

pam - gardengal








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"Cereus-validus..." wrote:
Phytotoxicity and sensitivity to plant toxins has nothing to do
with diabetes.

In logic, what you are alluding to is called "false cause" also
know as coincidence.


I'll go along with that. However it could be that there was
an allergic reaction to the poinsettas that caused the diabetes.

My logic for that goes like this. Diabetes is usually considered
an autoimmunal disease where the pancreatic cells that produce
insulin are attacked and killed. And if there is an allergy to a
specific substance, that in turn can produce an autoimmunal
response which in turn can kill pancreatic cells and thus the
condition of diabetes becomes present. I don't have any
proof of this being true... just food for thought.

In fact, with all the talk about poinsettas being poisonous,
anyone with an allergy to a poinsetta could possibly die from
contact. I won't state that that is 100% true, because I never
witnessed it, but it's definitely better to be safe than sorry.

--
Jim Carlock
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"madgardener" wrote:
And that might be because she was diabetic. My grandmammy
as I recall broke out when handling the poinsettia that was given
her around Christmas when
she "fooled with it" and so the task of caring for it during the Christmas
season fell onto Pearline who adored and loved any flower or
plant...(another recessed memory regarding my sweet Aunt Pearline
who was responsible for my gardening madness surfaces.....)
madgardener who believes that poinsettia's are not TOXIC.....can be
irritating to some people and who loves all the diversities of the
poinsettia's but doesn't grow or have them herself (my cacti
and succulents and few tropicals and ferns suffer enough in my
warm, dry house, thank you)
up on the ridge, back in Fairy Holler, overlooking English Mountain in
Eastern Tennessee



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Jim Carlock wrote:

In fact, with all the talk about poinsettas being poisonous,
anyone with an allergy to a poinsetta could possibly die from
contact. I won't state that that is 100% true, because I never
witnessed it, but it's definitely better to be safe than sorry.


Better safe than sorry for what?

How is someone going to know what they might be allergic to until they
have their first reaction?

Are you going to ban eggs, milk, wheat and barley and rye products,
shellfish, peanuts, real nuts, soybeans, *and* anything with tomatoes in
it from your house, just in case someone somewhere might be allergic to
them? What if that person ends up a guest in your house, has an
allergic reaction to your cat, and DIES? Then what are you going to do?

(Have I made my point yet that your premise is ridiculous?)

Best regards,
Bob
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In article , "Jim Carlock"
wrote:

"Cereus-validus..." wrote:
Phytotoxicity and sensitivity to plant toxins has nothing to do
with diabetes.

In logic, what you are alluding to is called "false cause" also
know as coincidence.


I'll go along with that. However it could be that there was
an allergic reaction to the poinsettas that caused the diabetes.

My logic for that goes like this. Diabetes is usually considered
an autoimmunal disease where the pancreatic cells that produce
insulin are attacked and killed. And if there is an allergy to a
specific substance, that in turn can produce an autoimmunal
response which in turn can kill pancreatic cells and thus the
condition of diabetes becomes present. I don't have any
proof of this being true... just food for thought.

In fact, with all the talk about poinsettas being poisonous,
anyone with an allergy to a poinsetta could possibly die from
contact. I won't state that that is 100% true, because I never
witnessed it, but it's definitely better to be safe than sorry.


Poinsettia is related to the rubber tree. Someone who authentically has a
latex/rubber allergy already knows to avoid euphorbias, cactuses, rubber
gloves, pencil erasers, pacifiers, balloons, & all sorts of household
items & plants that would not cause the least problem to anyone who does
not have a latex allergy.

The skin irritation potential of poinsettia is otherwise about equal to
that of a dandylion, carrot, tomato, onion, garlic, aster, chrysanthemum,
ginger, magnolia, cedar sawdust, tomato, tulip, or daffodil -- to name a
few things that are commonly associated with contact dermatitis to equal
or greater extent than is poinsettia. Some euphorbias are very likely to
cause a rash & are sufficiently caustic that it would not even require an
allergenic response, but for poinsettia it would not be an ordinary
reaction, because it is not very caustic, though I wouldn't rub it OR a
garlic clove all up & down my naked body.

People with such plant allergies have to be careful handling a great many
plants which would not affect normal people. And while it may be possible
to die of a rash, it certainly isn't likely, & it never happened from
contact with poinsettia. If your rule of thumb is "better safe than sorry"
then you should never touch anything without wearing rubber gloves, & even
then you should worry about a rubber allergy. Of course an INTELLIGENT
person would have much more knowledge & common sense about their allergies
from past experience & ideally some instruction from a physician with a
specialty in allergens, so you WON'T end up a lunatic afraid to move a
muscle.

People with plant allergies usually have some degree of tolerance. So you
could handle daffodils or poinsettias one day & feel no effect, but after
making a big meal chopping up onions, carrots, & tomatoes, or other food
items associated with contact dermatitis, an allergy-prone person may have
reached their limit, so that picking a daffodil or touching poinsettia
could conceivably cause an unexpected rash. If so, that sort of person
would be equally likely to have the accumulative response during dinner,
& get the rash from picking up a piece of raw celery, celery being another
plant associated with contact dermatitis.

The reason people are hystical about this possibility when the word
"poinsettia" is stated but never even think twice about the equal threat
represented by carrots, celery, & onions is because of the myth that
poinsettias are toxic. They're not. The rats in the Ohio study ate
poinsettias using their wee paws & stuffed them in their snouty faces &
there was neither a toxic effect of eating the plants nor a rash response
from handling them. The plants were harmless. And allergenic people for
whom rashes are likely are going to be worrying about a hell of a lot more
than this fundamentally harmless christmas flower.

As for a connection between allergy & diabetes, that's been studied &
found to be a myth as well. Diet can effect both allergic conditions &
diabetes, but the allergy cannot affect diabetes. Here's a little article
intended to alleviate superstitious peoples' worries about their allergies
turning them into diabetics:
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/infocentr...rm/allergy.htm

There is however a connection between allergins that cause rash &
allergins that cause asthma, & asthma CAN kill. So if you want to terrify
yourself, avoid contact with all flowers & all plants of all kinds
forever, as your lungs may swell up & you'll be dead before you can say
"where's my inhaler."

Your decision to avoid harmless stuff "just in case" it's not harmless to
some allergy-prone sniffle-snouted dork, instead of on the basis of
knowledge & possibly with a physician's guidance, will eventually have you
afraid to get out of bed, because you won't believe how many potentially
death-causing allergens are in those dust bunnies under the bed. And while
there is no known case of anyone dying of poinsettias, a number of asthma
deaths can be traced to dustbunnies under the bed & the gazillions of
hideous invisible mites that live in those dustbunnies. Be afraid. Be very
afraid. And tune in next week for The Litterbox Terror.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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Old 27-11-2004, 10:43 PM
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Jim Carlock wrote:
"Cereus-validus..." wrote:
Phytotoxicity and sensitivity to plant toxins has nothing to do
with diabetes.

In logic, what you are alluding to is called "false cause" also
know as coincidence.


I'll go along with that. However it could be that there was
an allergic reaction to the poinsettas that caused the diabetes.

My logic for that goes like this. Diabetes is usually considered
an autoimmunal disease where the pancreatic cells that produce
insulin are attacked and killed. And if there is an allergy to a
specific substance, that in turn can produce an autoimmunal
response which in turn can kill pancreatic cells and thus the
condition of diabetes becomes present. I don't have any
proof of this being true... just food for thought.


Gosh. Aren't we all having fun with faulty logic today.

Type I diabetes is caused by a lack of beta cells in the pancreace
resulting in no insulin being created. Type I diabetes is also known as
childhood onset diabetes. It's unusual for it to occur after childhood,
and certainly not from an alergic reaction to something. Any reaction
great enough to kill existing beta cells in the pancrease is likely to
result in death first.

Type II diabetes occurs when the body's cells cannot efficiently use the
insulin produced by the pancrease. Type II diabetes is also known as
adult onset diabetes. It also would not occur because of an alergic
reaction to something. Obesity is the most popular contributing factor
in type II diabetes simply because more cells ineffectively using
insulin eventually outpaces the pancrease's ability to produce insulin
fast enough. No death of pancreatic cells is involved.


In fact, with all the talk about poinsettas being poisonous,
anyone with an allergy to a poinsetta could possibly die from
contact. I won't state that that is 100% true, because I never
witnessed it, but it's definitely better to be safe than sorry.


Well, if it's better to be safe than sorry, you'd better climb back into
that bubble. You're constantly coming in contact with things you could
suffer an allergic reaction to.

--
Warren H.

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Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
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response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
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witnessed it, but it's definitely better to be safe than sorry.


This response has been rated PG13 Parental Guidance suggested.
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I don't know why so many people equate being better safe than sorry with
living in a bubble. It's as simple as knowing not to fondle your
poinsettias, not letting your kids eat them and not asking your delicate
hot young non-lebanese slave girl who just rubbed all up & down her hot
naked body with frankincense and myrrh to water them.

In the unlikely event somebody does get a rash then you don't have to
stand around with a dumb look thinking "well it can't be the poinsettia,
somebody said they're non-toxic ..." while the victim screams in agony as
little blisters on their skin repeatedly break oozing pus and dark blood
drips like boiling summer rain from their eyelids "... I wonder if I
should call poison control or Wilfred Brimley".

At any rate, diabetes (at least type-2) can cause all sorts of
neuropathies that would impair a person's normal response to avoid
potentially allegeric substances. So instead of "an allergic reaction to
the poinsettas that caused the diabetes" it's more likely that "because
of the diabetes, the victim was unable to sense the allergic substance".




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