On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:47:18 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:



it seems that everyone nowdays is so uptight, literal and politically
correct and so condesending about humor that its impossible to even share a
smile. They forget about the "sick" humor of Mad magazine. I just watched
the 30th anniversary of Blazing Saddles and despite that it's still
hilarious, and it broke grounds with the humor of it, I know that now, 30
years later, there would be some outraged people who wouldn't think the
ethnic jokes were funny in the least. Or that Mongo slugging the horse was
humorous at all. And the sad thing is, the racial humor was written by
Richard Pryor back then in 1974. If we get to be so serious we can't take a
joke, we're not going to last much longer. We are the only species that
laughs..........and I'm not talking about being mean, I'm talking about
being able to laugh at yourself and whomever you represent......and get past
it.


Marilyn, I'm 50 years old and I didn't laugh back then at that movie.
The one part I did laugh hysterically at was the farting. I also
didn't laugh at the dead horse in Animal House and that was WAY before
political correctness. So, please don't include the dislike of animal
torture being funny for this example.

The Texas joke was a joke. Meant to be looked at humorously. Just because
one person took the cat exploding in the car and responded in the way he did
doesn't mean he even meant it. He's trying to get the responses from those
who would be outraged.

Huh?

I'm sure Tom never intended on getting flamed by a simple joke that ran
seven years ago.......................(I remember that joke vividly, I
laughed myself almost wet and it's still good)

Who flamed him? All I said was I thought it was good till I got to
the cat part. I happen to be friends with Tom Kan Pa. Anyone who can
call their grandson Mat The W is okay by me.

Anyone thinking that Tom posted that joke to upset people regarding the cat
part is just too literal and sensitive about this. Yes, I know animals
suffer every day at the hands of idiots. I also know there are too many rats
in the maze on this planet at the moment and know Mom Nature will eliminate
the excess in anyway she can like she has always done in millions of years
past.

It doesn't keep me awake at night. It's just part of life.

When did everyone get so serious and judgemental?

At least Sue and Junkyard cat liked it and saw it as a joke...............(I
keep hearing Foghorn Leghorn saying to Chicken Hawk, "It's a JOKE
son!!!!!!!!!!)

So because I didn't laugh at that part I'm what? I am a Howard Stern
fan for shit sake. I know how to laugh. I'm also an animal lover and
it definitely supercedes the "humor" about leaving a cat in a hot car
till it explodes. It's not funny. Not to me. Sorry, but I think I'm
being judged now, not the other way around.

v

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:12:42 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:

it's always interesting to see there are those who look at death as
something to be poked at. as for that being a "nice kitty" yer not getting
the outraged response from me you want. I look at a dead animal as anyone
who sees lots of them smashed into the road does. Everything eventually
dies. To exploit the images and try and make them worth seeing is debatable.
My children faced normal life and death moments but despite my reality
raising of them, my oldest son was 33 before he buried his first cat
himself. I had always done it. Don't know why, just did.

Don't you see the contradiction you just made? So, it was okay to
poke fun at a dead animal who died a horrible death (rhetorically for
the joke) but a visual is something where you draw the line on funny.
So, the point is we all do have our levels.

When our old cat, Sweetie was put down at 21, she was balsa wood with fur.
I did it out of consideration for her ending time. Same reason I put Whacka
Dew down when I discovered that huge mass inside her ear on her temple, and
why I put Pye and Jenner's down when they exibited unusual symptoms of
something gone wrong with them within two weeks time just recently. Either
Feline AIDS, Lukemia, or diabetes, but whatever it was, I lost a total of
four cats in two months. The last two were deffinately ill with something.
But the three I have left exibit no signs of disease and it's been over a
month.

Doug, you keep trying, you'll get a shocked response from your pictures. But
not me. I'm surprised you don't post pictures of dead birds and have
photo's of relatives in their coffins like my mom's bible
does..........................now to me, THAT's a rather morbid habit I'd
like to see disappear eventually. At least they don't ask kids to "kiss Aunt
Gertie goodbye" anymore. I hated having to kiss the cold forehead of someone
lying in their coffin. they never knew I was kissing them goodbye, and the
act was only for the living anyway, same as decoration days and flowers on
graves. I'm sure my dad doesn't give a rat's butt wheather there are flowers
on his grave or cow flop.

now because I'm deffinately gonna get flamed for my opinions, I'll go now.

madgardener

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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TomKan wrote:

Ah for Christ's sakes. It was a joke! I've had cats! I love cats. Yeah,
the guy that said the only good cat is a dead cat is an asshole.

Here's a nice kitty!

http://www.artscountry.com/DeadCat043004/A.

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:12:42 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:

it's always interesting to see there are those who look at death as
something to be poked at. as for that being a "nice kitty" yer not
getting
the outraged response from me you want. I look at a dead animal as anyone
who sees lots of them smashed into the road does. Everything eventually
dies. To exploit the images and try and make them worth seeing is
debatable.
My children faced normal life and death moments but despite my reality
raising of them, my oldest son was 33 before he buried his first cat
himself. I had always done it. Don't know why, just did.

Don't you see the contradiction you just made?

that I wasn't going to react shocked by the morbid image "Douggie troll"
posted of the dead cat? I meant what I said. I don't poke fun at images of
dead animals, nor do I find the pictures particularly disturbing. They're
dead animals. I don't gross out easily. Now to set you and the others who
think I'm some sort of closet freak out, I read and enjoyed the sick humor
of Mad magazine. I also enjoyed the crass jokes and comics of biker rags
when I was hanging out with bikers. I have the gross one about Sleeze and
his old lady's tampoons on my refridgerator out of sight of the
grandkids..............

How am I contradicting myself V? "Doug" posted that picture and made the he
he he he remark about the picture of the nice kitty and I just responded
that he was NOT going to gross me out, freak me out or outrage me. I also
explained that I've dealt realistically with death for my whole life. If
you'd humor me, tell me where I was contradicting myself. I don't see it. I
could just be naturally stoned, or my new glasses are not doing me well
(they're seriously off and I can't get them fixed until Monday and even then
it will be another frelling 10 days!)

So, it was okay to
poke fun at a dead animal who died a horrible death (rhetorically for
the joke) but a visual is something where you draw the line on funny.
So, the point is we all do have our levels.

I saw the gross twist of humor at the cat slipping into the car and not
being discovered until it swelled up and popped inside the hot car. I don't
condone someone leaving a child or animal in a closed and locked vehicle in
warm or hot weather for exactly that reason. It wouldn't have been remotely
funny if he'd crossed the line of even sick jokes and said he had left his
kid in the car........I didn't laugh at the proverbial cat swelling up and
exploding, but the idea of this poor smuck experiencing his first true
summer in Texas and all the "murphey's law" unfortunate incidents occuring
was the whole point of the freaking joke. Would it have been funny if his
kid's pet snake had slipped into the car and exploded while he was at work?
The "joke" was geared for the idea that even after he had to clean out his
car interior, when the windows blew out, it still smelled like kibbles and
shit..........it's a joke, and like Loony Tunes and Merry Melodies which I
adored, the injuries weren't real. In the making of this joke no live or
real animals were harmed.

I mean, hell V, I love the 3 Stoogies. Love the slapping, blowing up, and
Vaudville angle of humor. The whole idea is to loosen and lighten up. When
Wiley Coyote got his ass blown to shit, we laughed because it was funny and
we knew it wasn't real..........same thing with jokes. Life's too short to
be taken so seriously!

maddie

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:47:18 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:

snippppppppppppppppp

Marilyn, I'm 50 years old and I didn't laugh back then at that movie.

Well, I'm surprised, growing up in New York like you did. I am Southern,
and I hated prejudice 100 times more than anyone because I had a bigot and
racist for a father. But I also grew up watching Ed Sullivan and the Jews
who stood up there on his stage and poked fun at themselves. And I was
allowed to sit up and watch Johnny Carson because he was paramount at
introducing new comedians. I thought that Don Rickles was hilarious, and
anyone else that tore into their nationality. We take ourselves too
seriously sometimes. And in the words of my grandmammy, if the shoe fits,
then wear it. I wasn't saying that YOU didn't know what was funny, honey,
but when a bitten dog barks...........you shouldn't have felt the statement
was aimed directly at you. I was just surprised when you said what you did.
I know the cat part wasn't really what should be considered funny, it was
just the concept. Jeezus Krist on a biscuit!

And so what you're saying is that the innovative and ground breaking movie
that Mel Brookes did and poked fun at Germans, Jews, blacks, and prejudice
wasn't funny. Well one mans joke is another man's lawsuit for slander. It
won academy awards. And I liked it because I saw the dark humor of it. The
political correctness police tried to silence it but they were able to make
it exactly like they wanted to. The idea was to poke fun at every western
ever made, and to draw attention and poke fun at prejudice and bigotry
because it was the early 70's and you remember where we were and what was
happening in the county and world at that time........

I mean, who pokes fun at themselves more than Jews do? Unless it's George
Carlin who trashes everyone equally..........

The one part I did laugh hysterically at was the farting. I also
didn't laugh at the dead horse in Animal House and that was WAY before
political correctness. So, please don't include the dislike of animal
torture being funny for this example.

oh lordy...............yes, I wet myself at the farting. But I laughed at
the dead horse because it wasn't a REAL dead horse. Like those weren't real
horses being blown up in the scene of Blazing Saddles when they built a fake
town to fool the outlaws............holy shit. So I guess Howard Stern is
funny but visual humor isn't? Well to each his own. And I still love you
honey, that's what makes the world an interesting place, is all the
diversity of people.

I just hope the politikally correk poleece don't get the upper hand or
they'll shoot me in the streets without a blindfold for thinking warped
thoughts.

The Texas joke was a joke. Meant to be looked at humorously. Just
because
one person took the cat exploding in the car and responded in the way he
did
doesn't mean he even meant it. He's trying to get the responses from
those
who would be outraged.

Huh?

"Doug" the troll responded back with "he he he look at the picture of the
nice kitty" which was his way of trying to get responses towards the idea of
real dead cats............sheesh.

I'm sure Tom never intended on getting flamed by a simple joke that ran
seven years ago.......................(I remember that joke vividly, I
laughed myself almost wet and it's still good)

Who flamed him?
you didn't flame him as much as chastise him about the cat part. He didn't
write the joke., he was sharing it................

All I said was I thought it was good till I got to
the cat part. I happen to be friends with Tom Kan Pa. Anyone who can
call their grandson Mat The W is okay by me.

I would hope so! (feel free to step in here at any time
Tom................)
snip snip snip...................

So because I didn't laugh at that part I'm what?
You're Victoria, my gardening friend from the newsgroup who used to live in
New York and now lives in Texas. I never figured you were anything less or
more. You're also the woman who has kicked the shit out of a debilitating
disease. And you've looked death in his hollow face and laughed and cried
and won for this round. And I admire you for it. But don't think I'm
labeling you. Cos I ain't.

I am a Howard Stern
fan for shit sake. I know how to laugh.

And I realize you do. Hell we've posted and laughed at quite a few things
over the last seven years...........untwist yer drawers honey, I ain't out
to bash you!

I'm also an animal lover and
it definitely supercedes the "humor" about leaving a cat in a hot car
till it explodes. It's not funny. Not to me. Sorry, but I think I'm
being judged now, not the other way around.

nope. I'm an animal lover to the nth degree. I would never condone leaving a
cat in a hot car. The whole idea was damnit that the cat snuck into the car
unbeknownst to the guy, he went to work and at lunch break four hours later,
discovered the cat had snuck into the car and swelled up and exploded all
over his car. You've never had something crawl into your car unbeknownst to
you and die and stink the car to hell:???? I have. Had a squirrel to get
inside a van of ours and while we were farting around in the mall, died a
crispy death and we discovered it only after the smell began to really get
ripe. Nothing like it. The smell wasn't particularly funny, nor was the
squirrel dying in our closed up van funny, but I knew what this guy was
getting at by the accident of the cat being locked into a closed car in a
hot parking lot. You weren't laughing about the cat exploding as much as
you were laughing at the poor smuck's continuing bad luck and
experiences..............lordy lordy......................


now don't think I'm judging you. Cos it ain't what I do. I was defending
Tom............
maddie

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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The message
from "madgardener" contains these words:

I won't be
run off again for speaking my mind,

"Again"? Nobody has ever "run you off". You sometimes chose to take
a break, which is entirely different.

ok ok, I ran myself off. ok? my feelings were hurt, I allowed my feelings
to be hurt and I got over it. Sometimes when someone screws up on this
newsgroup, the shit kickers get slipped on and it becomes a mob mentality.
But I'm happy to report that I'm getting thicker skinned from all this!
maddie

Janet

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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On 22 Jul 2005 14:18:27 -0700, "TomKan" wrote:

Ah for Christ's sakes. It was a joke! I've had cats! I love cats. Yeah,
the guy that said the only good cat is a dead cat is an asshole. But
don't take everything so seriously! I guess I should Google up all the
annual "cats in my garden posts" to see if any of you have replied that
cat's have the right to spread their Kibble and shit"* anywhere they
want to.

*Just joking!!

I know you were just joking. I didn't laugh. I didn't find it funny,
even coming from you, a person who I consider to be one of the most
gentle people in this newsgroup. I didn't say you would do it. Just
that it's really not funny. And that has nothing at all to do with my
sense of humor. For pete's sake, I'm probaby the only girl who laughs
out loud at the Stooges!

no, I'm right beside you guffawing my ass off, still to this
day......................

Victoria

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:37:52 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:


Well, I'm surprised, growing up in New York like you did. I am Southern,
and I hated prejudice 100 times more than anyone because I had a bigot and
racist for a father. But I also grew up watching Ed Sullivan and the Jews
who stood up there on his stage and poked fun at themselves. And I was
allowed to sit up and watch Johnny Carson because he was paramount at
introducing new comedians. I thought that Don Rickles was hilarious, and
anyone else that tore into their nationality. We take ourselves too
seriously sometimes. And in the words of my grandmammy, if the shoe fits,
then wear it. I wasn't saying that YOU didn't know what was funny, honey,
but when a bitten dog barks...........you shouldn't have felt the statement
was aimed directly at you. I was just surprised when you said what you did.
I know the cat part wasn't really what should be considered funny, it was
just the concept. Jeezus Krist on a biscuit!


You are all over the place here,Maddie. I simply said I was reading
the original (email in my case) thing that Tom posted and when I got
to the part with the cat I deleted it. It stopped anything humorous
in its tracks FOR ME. You can out saying we have to lighten up, this
that...etc. No, sorry. I will not lighten up when I know for certain
that some asshole right now is putting a firecracker in some animal,
or locking one in a car intentionally. No, sorry, that will never
strike me funny and if it means I will have to wear your title of "gee
wiz people need to lighten up" so be it.

And so what you're saying is that the innovative and ground breaking movie
that Mel Brookes did and poked fun at Germans, Jews, blacks, and prejudice
wasn't funny. Well one mans joke is another man's lawsuit for slander. It
won academy awards. And I liked it because I saw the dark humor of it. The
political correctness police tried to silence it but they were able to make
it exactly like they wanted to. The idea was to poke fun at every western
ever made, and to draw attention and poke fun at prejudice and bigotry
because it was the early 70's and you remember where we were and what was
happening in the county and world at that time........

He wasn't exactly a ground breaker on such a commentary. Orson Welles
did it with Citizen Kane. However, I am not a lover of dark humor. I
never was. I have no idea what tampon you were talking about in
another post. I never rad Biker mags, but I used to read Hustler and
I never laughed at Chester the Child Molesterer. Sorry, not funny to
me.

I mean, who pokes fun at themselves more than Jews do? Unless it's George
Carlin who trashes everyone equally..........

We have tickets in the front row of the Paramount Theater in
September. We were rescheduled earlier in the year due to his rehab
for prescription drugs. We saw him a few years back when he came
through town and he did a big thing on suicide and was pretty harsh.
It made me squirm a bit, but I still love the guy. I figure people
must know anything goes when you see Carlin in person.

The one part I did laugh hysterically at was the farting. I also
didn't laugh at the dead horse in Animal House and that was WAY before
political correctness. So, please don't include the dislike of animal
torture being funny for this example.

oh lordy...............yes, I wet myself at the farting. But I laughed at
the dead horse because it wasn't a REAL dead horse. Like those weren't real
horses being blown up in the scene of Blazing Saddles when they built a fake
town to fool the outlaws............holy shit. So I guess Howard Stern is
funny but visual humor isn't? Well to each his own. And I still love you
honey, that's what makes the world an interesting place, is all the
diversity of people.

I didn't wet myself, but I laughed.

I just hope the politikally correk poleece don't get the upper hand or
they'll shoot me in the streets without a blindfold for thinking warped
thoughts.

Way over the top with anything anyone here said. I think you are way
overblowing this entire thing.


Huh?

"Doug" the troll responded back with "he he he look at the picture of the
nice kitty" which was his way of trying to get responses towards the idea of
real dead cats............sheesh.

Yeah, but I didn't go to that link. I know an asshole alert when I
see one.


You're Victoria, my gardening friend from the newsgroup who used to live in
New York and now lives in Texas. I never figured you were anything less or
more. You're also the woman who has kicked the shit out of a debilitating
disease. And you've looked death in his hollow face and laughed and cried
and won for this round. And I admire you for it. But don't think I'm
labeling you. Cos I ain't.

Oh good! With who I am, also comes a certain amount of seriousness.
Most of the time I'm laughing at doody jokes and I cannot wait for my
hero Howard Stern to get to Sirius Satellite Radio. If you have a few
bucks, buy some Sirius stock right now. SIRI is how it's listed.

And I realize you do. Hell we've posted and laughed at quite a few things
over the last seven years...........untwist yer drawers honey, I ain't out
to bash you!

Phew!


nope. I'm an animal lover to the nth degree. I would never condone leaving a
cat in a hot car. The whole idea was damnit that the cat snuck into the car
unbeknownst to the guy, he went to work and at lunch break four hours later,
discovered the cat had snuck into the car and swelled up and exploded all
over his car.

Yes, I got it. However, it ruined it for me. That visual of a cat
suffering to the point of a horrible death did not belong in anything
funny. It all worked just as well without it.

You've never had something crawl into your car unbeknownst to
you and die and stink the car to hell:???? I have. Had a squirrel to get
inside a van of ours and while we were farting around in the mall, died a
crispy death and we discovered it only after the smell began to really get
ripe.

I would have cried my eyes out and that would be that. Into a joke,
I would never insert such matter.

Nothing like it. The smell wasn't particularly funny, nor was the
squirrel dying in our closed up van funny, but I knew what this guy was
getting at by the accident of the cat being locked into a closed car in a
hot parking lot. You weren't laughing about the cat exploding as much as
you were laughing at the poor smuck's continuing bad luck and
experiences..............lordy lordy......................

Didn't get that far, sorry. I really am. I am not trying to convince
you it wasn't funny for whatever reason you laughed, but I do not
laugh at these images.

now don't think I'm judging you. Cos it ain't what I do. I was defending
Tom............
maddie

I LOVE TOM ! SHUT UP! (said as Elaine to Jerry Seinfeld and not with
malice).

Tom knows I love him. He EMAILED it to me for petes sake!

Vito

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:40:23 -0400, "madgardener"
wrote:


"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Jul 2005 14:18:27 -0700, "TomKan" wrote:

Ah for Christ's sakes. It was a joke! I've had cats! I love cats. Yeah,
the guy that said the only good cat is a dead cat is an asshole. But
don't take everything so seriously! I guess I should Google up all the
annual "cats in my garden posts" to see if any of you have replied that
cat's have the right to spread their Kibble and shit"* anywhere they
want to.

*Just joking!!

I know you were just joking. I didn't laugh. I didn't find it funny,
even coming from you, a person who I consider to be one of the most
gentle people in this newsgroup. I didn't say you would do it. Just
that it's really not funny. And that has nothing at all to do with my
sense of humor. For pete's sake, I'm probaby the only girl who laughs
out loud at the Stooges!

no, I'm right beside you guffawing my ass off, still to this
day......................

Victoria
\
Particularly the Curly's and even more when there are tools involved.

V

"nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"

"woo-woo-woo"

"soytanly!"

"oh, ungrateful, eh?"

On 23 Jul 2005 19:10:53 -0700, "TomKan" wrote:

"nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"

"woo-woo-woo"

"soytanly!"

"oh, ungrateful, eh?"

Why I oughta! (Curly block) PONK!

Vox Humana wrote:
"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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Till I got to the "joke" about the cat, and then I deleted it. Sorry,
I don't find certain realities that assholes do daily to be very
funny.


Agreed. Anyone familiar with animal rescue knows the horrors perpetrated on
animals.



Pay Kanter no mind. He's just ****ed cuz he never gets any pussy.

"G Henslee" wrote in message
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Vox Humana wrote:
"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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Till I got to the "joke" about the cat, and then I deleted it. Sorry,
I don't find certain realities that assholes do daily to be very
funny.


Agreed. Anyone familiar with animal rescue knows the horrors perpetrated
on
animals.



Pay Kanter no mind. He's just ****ed cuz he never gets any pussy.

My ex-wife's cousin had a border collie, I kick it in the neck everytime I
see it.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"G Henslee" wrote in message
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Vox Humana wrote:

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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Till I got to the "joke" about the cat, and then I deleted it. Sorry,
I don't find certain realities that assholes do daily to be very
funny.


Agreed. Anyone familiar with animal rescue knows the horrors perpetrated
on
animals.



Pay Kanter no mind. He's just ****ed cuz he never gets any pussy.


My ex-wife's cousin had a border collie, I kick it in the neck everytime I
see it.



Foreplay eh? Sick *******...

"G Henslee" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"G Henslee" wrote in message
...

Vox Humana wrote:

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
m...


Till I got to the "joke" about the cat, and then I deleted it. Sorry,
I don't find certain realities that assholes do daily to be very
funny.


Agreed. Anyone familiar with animal rescue knows the horrors
perpetrated on
animals.



Pay Kanter no mind. He's just ****ed cuz he never gets any pussy.


My ex-wife's cousin had a border collie, I kick it in the neck everytime
I see it.

Foreplay eh? Sick *******...

You only need to have a dog dig up your lettuce seedlings once, in order
to
see that they have no place in a civilized society. Fortunately, we have
an
old law in this town which says that any animal can be "liquidated" if
it's
destroying food crops. I've only had to print this law, ask to have a
cop
meet me at the offending owner's house, and read them the law, in order
to
stop offenders. It's worked wonderfully (so far).