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Global warming my ass!
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:11:11 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: Before we get into a big debate (which has been done many times by folks far more knowledgeable on these issues than us) I need to know where we are starting from. . . Debates are fun, as long as we keep them civil. Unfortunately, many people result to name-calling and slander rather than attempting to actually debate! . . Do you believe in evolution? Lots of folks don't, so global warming can't be a problem because the world is just the way God wanted it and isn't old enough to have climate shifts. I see a leading Republican contender doesn't believe in evolution. That should scare the shit out of you. "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, that's fine. I'll accept that," he said Friday. "I just don't happen to think that I did." . . I am a Christian, so I do believe that God creates everything... However, I am more in the camp of "guided evolution." Who are we to say that God snapped his fingers and POOF here we were? I have read many Christian and Jewish leaders who believe in evolution. Why couldn't God's plan be for species to adapt to the environment so they can thrive? And since, as a Christian, I believe in Free Will, if we choose to screw things up, that's our own problem. The evidence is far too plentiful. Of course evolution happens. To flatly deny it is silly. The mechanics are a matter of faith though... If one truely believes God is all-powerful, then there's no reason to use science to understand the process. But plenty of folks (apparently including Huckabee) think otherwise. I'm agnostic. We're here and something created the universe, but it's something so far beyond my understanding that it is, for all practical purposes, God. I've long thought of the earth as some grade school God's science project. I think he/she/it is going to get a poor grade. .... If we agree that the earth is getting warmer, is man at least partly responsible? Some scientists seem to thing that humanity is too inconsequential to be causing climate shifts. I look at all the stuff we're dumping into the air, sea, and ground, and think that not only are we altering the weather, we're causing lots of other damage - species extinction, new types of organisms, and such. Many scientists who disagree that man is responsible for all of global warming agree that we're having some impact. . . Of course man is partially responsible. To think otherwise is stupid. On the other hand, the Sahara desert has been expanding for thousands of years. You can't tell me the ancient Egyptians were pumping more pollutants into the air than natural forest fires around the globe. ..1% or 40% or 70%? . Do you believe that the global warming debate is a conspiracy to funnel research funds into the pockets of evil scientists? If so, you might also consider that well funded corporate interests might be paying the bill for some of the scientists that oppose the global warming idea. . . A conspiracy? No. A histerical reaction? Yes. Some corporate greed? Yes. How much money that goes towards "carbon credits" is going to line Al Gore's investment portfolio? If human-generated carbon is so horrible, shouldn't the spokesperson for global warming be reducing his consumption at the same time as investing in "green" technology? So you think Gore is doing his thing for profit? I don't. Perhaps he's wrong (I think not obviously) , but he is sincere. I think the profits that are being made polluting the world fund campaigns that might limit those profits. .... Actually, there are climatologists that say humans as a whole would benefit from warmer climates because more people die of cold-related problems than heat-related problems! Unfortunately, the last two years, the global temperature has been a bit cooler. In fact, the Antarctic ice caps have been steadily expanding for MANY years in most areas, and polar bear populations have exploded. Do you have a cite for that? I see this: http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/ And this seems to suggest the opposite on Antarctic Ice caps: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4228411.stm |
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