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Which trees held up the best?
Well, Brad, I personally think there must be something to this climactic
change thing -- after all, the world's largest supercomputer is working on weather, not military hardware. Here's a link to the Earth Simulator: http://www.es.jamstec.go.jp/esc/eng/outline.html Anne Lurie NE Raleigh "Brad Heidinger" wrote in message ... The very fact that so many of these survived Hazel and Fran, plus all the smaller ice storms, indicates it is just one more example of the changing world climate and the more severe weather events happening lately. What are the changing world climates? I am curious. I haven't read any concrete evidence of any changing climates. Maybe the hurricanes weakened the structural integrity of the trees and the ice storm was the kicker? Ice storms are frequent in the Piedmont. This one happened to be a more severe than others in recent years. I think it is unfair to blame industry and fuel consumption on local climatic events. There have been severe climatic occurrences before people inhabited the earth. I don't think SUV owners are the culprit to an ice storm or a hurricane. Here are a few facts: There have been fewer hurricanes during the 20th century. Glaciers are receding in eight mountain ranges. Advancing in three mountain ranges. Arctic regions are actually cooling since 1940's. Models predict a warming of about 0.35 C per decade in the mid troposphere. Two satellites (MSU and TOVS) and radiosondes show a cooling, thus falsifying the IPCC models. I don't mean to be curt, I just deal in facts. (it's my nature...get it...nature) : ) Brad |
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Hi Scott,
I have to call you on citing NOVA as a balanced news source. NOVA's programs are packed to the brim with scientists that are considered to be "alarmists" by the rest of the scientific community. I wouldn't put too much faith into their data. I 'm not arguing that humans don't change the climate to a certain extent, but what is debatable is the actual degree of impact. Current data suggests that is much less than what was originally believed. As an aside, I don't put any faith in these predictive models b/c they haven't been proven. They don't agree with any of the actual observations. Maybe they will improve with time, until they do I will live life as normal. Now, I don't pour oil into the sewer, nor do I drive a 10 mpg diesel SUV. But I am not rushing out to buy a solar powered home that is equipped with wind powered, waterless toilets either. My main point is that by choosing to blame an ice storm, hurricane, or heat wave on humans isn't justified. (not yet at least) I will be the first one to say I was wrong if, I am proven wrong. I take my hat off to people like you that are fighting hard to "save" our Mother Earth. Hey, it is to be commendable. There is no denying that. There are much worse things you could be doing, like being a Yankee's fan. Regards, Dr. Brad Heidinger, Ph.D. nospam.mindspring.com wrote: Brad, You may deal in "Facts," but the bottom line is that you would have to be a fool not to think that our planet is affected by our presence...specifically our use of fossil fuels, building of immence concrete and asphalt cities and roads, clearing of forests at a rate of which is almost incomprehensible and other large impacting wonders of the Human species. I myself, do not deal in facts, but I recall watching a NOVA special about this very topic...it was very sombering. It played both sides of the street, as they usually do, and the data supported the fact that the climate IS changing! I think an analogy would help here... You have a house invested with 3.5 billion termites...the house is still standing and appears just fine. But, wait a few years! By then it will be too late...as it will be for us! It would be safer to err on the side of caution, and act a little responsible for the only home we have. No, I'm not talking about extermination, the analogy is over. It just irks me to hear someone state that the Earth is not experienceing a climactic change, when the facts, albeit not empiricaly known, seem to state otherwise. Scott "Brad Heidinger" wrote in message ... The very fact that so many of these survived Hazel and Fran, plus all the smaller ice storms, indicates it is just one more example of the changing world climate and the more severe weather events happening lately. What are the changing world climates? I am curious. I haven't read any concrete evidence of any changing climates. Maybe the hurricanes weakened the structural integrity of the trees and the ice storm was the kicker? Ice storms are frequent in the Piedmont. This one happened to be a more severe than others in recent years. I think it is unfair to blame industry and fuel consumption on local climatic events. There have been severe climatic occurrences before people inhabited the earth. I don't think SUV owners are the culprit to an ice storm or a hurricane. Here are a few facts: There have been fewer hurricanes during the 20th century. Glaciers are receding in eight mountain ranges. Advancing in three mountain ranges. Arctic regions are actually cooling since 1940's. Models predict a warming of about 0.35 C per decade in the mid troposphere. Two satellites (MSU and TOVS) and radiosondes show a cooling, thus falsifying the IPCC models. I don't mean to be curt, I just deal in facts. (it's my nature...get it...nature) : ) Brad |
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What are the changing world climates? I am curious. I haven't read any
concrete evidence of any changing climates. Not only is global warming occurring, now even the effects of it on living systems are quantifiable. (see New York Times article, Global Warming Found to Displace Species Jan 2, 2003) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...splace_species Of course, The Times, the journal Nature, and Stanford U, et al., might all be wrong, like that tabloid TV show Nova. Seriously, there is no longer any question that warming is occurring, the only question is how much is caused by human activity, and on that, the broad, informed consensus opinion is "quite a large portion." David (formerly of zone 7b, now approaching 8) |
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