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Cymbidium Ruby
Hi all
Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia |
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On 6 Jan 2004 01:45:59 -0800, (Stuie)
wrote: Hi all Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. Rather unusual notes. I wonder if it was used in another cross and that is why it was "registered". SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On 6 Jan 2004 01:45:59 -0800, (Stuie)
wrote: Hi all Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. Rather unusual notes. I wonder if it was used in another cross and that is why it was "registered". SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On 6 Jan 2004 01:45:59 -0800, (Stuie)
wrote: Hi all Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. Rather unusual notes. I wonder if it was used in another cross and that is why it was "registered". SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:03:19 -0700, Susan Erickson
wrote: According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. I didn't think you could register an unknown. That was a few years back. Wonder if such a registration could get pushed through today. deg |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:03:19 -0700, Susan Erickson
wrote: According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. I didn't think you could register an unknown. That was a few years back. Wonder if such a registration could get pushed through today. deg |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:03:19 -0700, Susan Erickson
wrote: According to Wildcatt - The cross was made in 1936 and the parents are UNKNOWN. Registered by Crombleholme. I didn't think you could register an unknown. That was a few years back. Wonder if such a registration could get pushed through today. deg |
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"Stuie" wrote in message om... Hi all Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia The International Orchid Register Orchid Search Results page Genus Cymbidium Epithet Ruby Seed Parent Genus na Epithet ? Pollen Parent Genus na Epithet ? Registrant Crombleholme Originator Crombleholme Date of registration 1/1/1936 |
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Cymbidium Ruby
I asked a friend about this. He said that exactly what's been said here.
That way back at the dawn on time (1936) this plant Cym Ruby was used a lot in hybridization, yet it had never been officially registered. So what then is the orchid registrar going to do with all these hybrids? Throw out a whole line of cymbidium breeding? Can't be done. So one can only register it as "Parentage Unknown" and move on. Additionally he mentioned that some Cymbidium hybridizers intentionally lied about their crosses. Jealously protecting their hybrid lines. When people go back and try to re-create these hybrids they can't match the originals. Caveat emptor. Or maybe I should say: just one more orchid detail that we have to remember. When Worlds Collide - Today there is a very popular white nobile-type dendrobium called Den Emma or Den Emma White. Same sort of situation could occur here. Den Emma Whites are a very popular plant in the pot plant industry. Its originator, a huge conglomerate, never registered the name Den Emma or Emmas White, why should they mess with something as stupid as registration when the are only concerned with making money off a very nice plant? But if someone used it extensively and for generations in their hybridizing program, what would Julian Shaw (the orchid registrar) do? He could protest, but eventually he'd have to recognize it as "Unknown" and move on. Yes. Its the downfall of Western Civilization as we know it and is a clarion call that the Barbarians are at the Gates. With a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'Pool'. K Barrett "tom" wrote in message m... "Stuie" wrote in message om... Hi all Anyone know anything about Cymbidium Ruby? Its real parents (guess?) any history, a photo perhaps of the RHS clone????? THANKS STUART Sydney Australia The International Orchid Register Orchid Search Results page Genus Cymbidium Epithet Ruby Seed Parent Genus na Epithet ? Pollen Parent Genus na Epithet ? Registrant Crombleholme Originator Crombleholme Date of registration 1/1/1936 |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:03:22 GMT, "K Barrett"
wrote: .....................clip........................ ........ Yes. Its the downfall of Western Civilization as we know it and is a clarion call that the Barbarians are at the Gates. With a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'Pool'. K Barrett It is not just the Den. In the Far East where most of the Ascda and lots of Neofinetia hybrids are being made today, it is considered bad business to tell what was used to make the cross. So we are going into another time of lots of vandaceous stuff especially the cute little things - miss-identified or deliberately named but not registered. I have a lovely mini-cym., a chinese hybrid, called Cym Summer Perfume. It is even delightfully scented. Not registered and no trail as to who did it or where it came from. I have found 4-5 vendors selling it, none of them know where it came from. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
... On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:03:22 GMT, "K Barrett" wrote: .....................clip........................ ........ Yes. Its the downfall of Western Civilization as we know it and is a clarion call that the Barbarians are at the Gates. With a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'Pool'. K Barrett It is not just the Den. In the Far East where most of the Ascda and lots of Neofinetia hybrids are being made today, it is considered bad business to tell what was used to make the cross. So we are going into another time of lots of vandaceous stuff especially the cute little things - miss-identified or deliberately named but not registered. I have a lovely mini-cym., a chinese hybrid, called Cym Summer Perfume. It is even delightfully scented. Not registered and no trail as to who did it or where it came from. I have found 4-5 vendors selling it, none of them know where it came from. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php Ticks you off, don't it? And here we are trying to stretch our brains to remember all this data, and the B*stards can lie about it. Sure a rose isd a rose and all that, but sheesh. K Barrett |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:51:10 GMT, "K Barrett"
wrote: Ticks you off, don't it? And here we are trying to stretch our brains to remember all this data, and the B*stards can lie about it. Sure a rose isd a rose and all that, but sheesh. K Barrett The worst was it is cute, floriferous and smells good. It has two spikes on it right now. And I cannot do a thing to show it. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
... On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:51:10 GMT, "K Barrett" wrote: Ticks you off, don't it? And here we are trying to stretch our brains to remember all this data, and the B*stards can lie about it. Sure a rose isd a rose and all that, but sheesh. K Barrett The worst was it is cute, floriferous and smells good. It has two spikes on it right now. And I cannot do a thing to show it. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php A pic on APBO? K |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:36:25 GMT, "K Barrett"
wrote: A pic on APBO? K This is a better view... http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/Cymbidium/aae Also I have been having trouble getting them to size right of late. John says it is hell getting old. . Of course he only says it when he is out of range. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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