Just a quick note to let you know that I have just finished uploading
an updated copy of my orchid pictures reference database at
http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp

I have added an additional 2,699 references from 21 new books and
magazines which brings the total to 122,911 references from 1,442
sources.

Enjoy!!

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:27:09 GMT, (Bob Betts) wrote:

Just a quick note to let you know that I have just finished uploading
an updated copy of my orchid pictures reference database at
http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp

I have added an additional 2,699 references from 21 new books and
magazines which brings the total to 122,911 references from 1,442
sources.

Enjoy!!

Hi Bob,

I was wondering if you could look something up for me.

The first (and only) orchid I bought came with a tag, but I am
suspicious that it is the right tag. A few of the people here helped
me decipher the tag, but up until this point, I still haven't been
able to find a picture of the plant in question.

I checked out your database and found a listing for the plant named on
the tag , so I was wondering (since you've got the pictures in front
of you) if you could tell me what the plant looks like.

(In a previous thread I posted a description of my plant. I've
attached it at the bottom of my post, in case that would help you
decide if the plant in question possibly matches the plant sitting
beside my window. Please keep in mind I'm still new at this and don't
really know what I'm talking about.)

The reference in your database reads:

Phalaenopsis Golden Peoker 'BL'
h
Ever Spring Orchid Nursery - Spring 1997
BL
True
True

If there was a way to see the photos online, I wouldn't have bothered
you. If there is a way to see them online, I'm doing something really
wrong, and I'm not usually too stupid about online surfing.

I even checked out the Ever Spring site, but the plant seems to no
longer be offered in the catalogue.

In case anybody cares, my plant is still (re)blooming. Yippee! It
started before Christmas and I was only expecting a few weeks of
flowers, so I'm really happy.

I think it might even grow a branch (sorry I'm sure that's not the
right technical term). There is a growth in between two existing
flowers. At first I thought it might turn into another late bloom, but
so far it hasn't shown any signs of blossoming. I'm starting to
suspect it might eventually be an offshoot branch. At least that's
what I'm hoping it is, although it wouldn't surprise me to be proven
wrong.
--Vic

(Description lifted from previous post:

The flower isn't huge -- two inches at its widest point and about two
inches in height -- but I'm still very satisfied. The new leaf is
about one and a half inches long. I'm a bit concerned about it because
it seems to have a few red/burgundy spots on it. The four mature
leaves are pretty solid green, but I've decided that since it looks
healthy otherwise, I won't worry too much.

When I first posted here, the plant wasn't in bloom and I couldn't
offer a very good description of the flower. Now with it sitting in
front of me I can do slightly better. I'll try to apply the right
terms to the various parts of the flower, but I'm really new at this
so I'll apologise right now before I commit my inevitable errors.

The Sepals are very white, but looking at them from the back they have
a hint of green and a hint of pink. Shape-wise, they are fairly soft
and round -- sort of like that perfect chuch window arch -- and not
the sharper, pointier style that I've seen on other orchids.

They are also very snow white except toward the white column (probably
the wrong word) where they have some small magenta spots. If I take
the column (that volcano shaped thing that sticks out at the centre of
the bloom) as the centre of a clock, the spots on the lateral sepals
radius out from the centre at the 5:00 and 7:00 positions and don't
extend any further than the width of the Labellum.

The Petals are also fall on the softer and rounder side of the scale.
The best way to describe them as very broad aces (from a deck of
playing cards) with a rounded tip.

The Lip is magenta. Now this is where I'm going to mess up on the
names (if I haven't already done so). From what I can tell the Lip or
Labellum is supposed to be one petal, but when I'm looking at the
plant, it really looks like four separate and distinct parts: the
skinny bit that attached to the column, the two side petals and the
longer bottom lip. The two arms/petals that are attached to the Lip
(at the 3:00 and 9:00 position to the lip's 6:00 position) are mostly
magenta, but they have a centre stripe of white that extends half-way
down the centre of the petal. The white stripe isn't pure white. It
serves as the background for magenta dashes (like divided highway
lines). There are (roughly) four or five parallel rows of dashes.

At the centre where the Lip attaches to the two other petals -- the
stigmatic surface I guess or the anther cap -- it is mostly white
white with magenta dashes. Under the dashes is a hint of yellow
shading. The part I'm trying to describe sits up and makes a V shape
-- parallel to the stem of the plant, unlike the column which is
perpendicular to the stem (or parallel with the table, if you like).

The Lip is much pointier than the attached petals (or whatever they
are called). It looks like the oultine of the space shuttle
(triangular bottom wings near the stigmatic surface) with a pair of
curled bug antennae on the nose cone. The two connecting petals are
shaped more like the oultine drawings of lightbulbs with the narrow
part connecting near the wing part of the shuttle. )

Hi,

http://www.dahliafarm.com/orchids/p9871.htm
http://takahashiorchids.com/r0300109.jpg
http://www.danielsorchids.com/Phalae...laenopsis.html

Check out these pics of 'BL'. I remember your previous posts, but I
have to say that by your description, your plant does not sound like the
typical 'BL'. It may contain the mutated Golden Peoker lineage, but a
true BL should be full of plum blotches, not just a few near the centre
of the flower. Any chance you can send me a picture? Don't post on the
list, some people really hate that.

Cheers,
Xi Wang

da wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:27:09 GMT, (Bob Betts) wrote:


Just a quick note to let you know that I have just finished uploading
an updated copy of my orchid pictures reference database at
http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp

I have added an additional 2,699 references from 21 new books and
magazines which brings the total to 122,911 references from 1,442
sources.

Enjoy!!


Hi Bob,

I was wondering if you could look something up for me.

The first (and only) orchid I bought came with a tag, but I am
suspicious that it is the right tag. A few of the people here helped
me decipher the tag, but up until this point, I still haven't been
able to find a picture of the plant in question.

I checked out your database and found a listing for the plant named on
the tag , so I was wondering (since you've got the pictures in front
of you) if you could tell me what the plant looks like.

(In a previous thread I posted a description of my plant. I've
attached it at the bottom of my post, in case that would help you
decide if the plant in question possibly matches the plant sitting
beside my window. Please keep in mind I'm still new at this and don't
really know what I'm talking about.)

The reference in your database reads:

Phalaenopsis Golden Peoker 'BL'
h
Ever Spring Orchid Nursery - Spring 1997
BL
True
True

If there was a way to see the photos online, I wouldn't have bothered
you. If there is a way to see them online, I'm doing something really
wrong, and I'm not usually too stupid about online surfing.

I even checked out the Ever Spring site, but the plant seems to no
longer be offered in the catalogue.

In case anybody cares, my plant is still (re)blooming. Yippee! It
started before Christmas and I was only expecting a few weeks of
flowers, so I'm really happy.

I think it might even grow a branch (sorry I'm sure that's not the
right technical term). There is a growth in between two existing
flowers. At first I thought it might turn into another late bloom, but
so far it hasn't shown any signs of blossoming. I'm starting to
suspect it might eventually be an offshoot branch. At least that's
what I'm hoping it is, although it wouldn't surprise me to be proven
wrong.
--Vic

(Description lifted from previous post:

The flower isn't huge -- two inches at its widest point and about two
inches in height -- but I'm still very satisfied. The new leaf is
about one and a half inches long. I'm a bit concerned about it because
it seems to have a few red/burgundy spots on it. The four mature
leaves are pretty solid green, but I've decided that since it looks
healthy otherwise, I won't worry too much.

When I first posted here, the plant wasn't in bloom and I couldn't
offer a very good description of the flower. Now with it sitting in
front of me I can do slightly better. I'll try to apply the right
terms to the various parts of the flower, but I'm really new at this
so I'll apologise right now before I commit my inevitable errors.

The Sepals are very white, but looking at them from the back they have
a hint of green and a hint of pink. Shape-wise, they are fairly soft
and round -- sort of like that perfect chuch window arch -- and not
the sharper, pointier style that I've seen on other orchids.

They are also very snow white except toward the white column (probably
the wrong word) where they have some small magenta spots. If I take
the column (that volcano shaped thing that sticks out at the centre of
the bloom) as the centre of a clock, the spots on the lateral sepals
radius out from the centre at the 5:00 and 7:00 positions and don't
extend any further than the width of the Labellum.

The Petals are also fall on the softer and rounder side of the scale.
The best way to describe them as very broad aces (from a deck of
playing cards) with a rounded tip.

The Lip is magenta. Now this is where I'm going to mess up on the
names (if I haven't already done so). From what I can tell the Lip or
Labellum is supposed to be one petal, but when I'm looking at the
plant, it really looks like four separate and distinct parts: the
skinny bit that attached to the column, the two side petals and the
longer bottom lip. The two arms/petals that are attached to the Lip
(at the 3:00 and 9:00 position to the lip's 6:00 position) are mostly
magenta, but they have a centre stripe of white that extends half-way
down the centre of the petal. The white stripe isn't pure white. It
serves as the background for magenta dashes (like divided highway
lines). There are (roughly) four or five parallel rows of dashes.

At the centre where the Lip attaches to the two other petals -- the
stigmatic surface I guess or the anther cap -- it is mostly white
white with magenta dashes. Under the dashes is a hint of yellow
shading. The part I'm trying to describe sits up and makes a V shape
-- parallel to the stem of the plant, unlike the column which is
perpendicular to the stem (or parallel with the table, if you like).

The Lip is much pointier than the attached petals (or whatever they
are called). It looks like the oultine of the space shuttle
(triangular bottom wings near the stigmatic surface) with a pair of
curled bug antennae on the nose cone. The two connecting petals are
shaped more like the oultine drawings of lightbulbs with the narrow
part connecting near the wing part of the shuttle. )

I have sent vic a scan of the picture from the catalogue.
It is basically white with very pronounced purple or magenta spots
that merge into each other and cover a large portion of the petals and
sepals.



On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:12:38 GMT, da wrote:

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:27:09 GMT, (Bob Betts) wrote:

Just a quick note to let you know that I have just finished uploading
an updated copy of my orchid pictures reference database at
http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp

I have added an additional 2,699 references from 21 new books and
magazines which brings the total to 122,911 references from 1,442
sources.

Enjoy!!

Hi Bob,

I was wondering if you could look something up for me.

The first (and only) orchid I bought came with a tag, but I am
suspicious that it is the right tag. A few of the people here helped
me decipher the tag, but up until this point, I still haven't been
able to find a picture of the plant in question.

I checked out your database and found a listing for the plant named on
the tag , so I was wondering (since you've got the pictures in front
of you) if you could tell me what the plant looks like.

(In a previous thread I posted a description of my plant. I've
attached it at the bottom of my post, in case that would help you
decide if the plant in question possibly matches the plant sitting
beside my window. Please keep in mind I'm still new at this and don't
really know what I'm talking about.)

The reference in your database reads:

Phalaenopsis Golden Peoker 'BL'
h
Ever Spring Orchid Nursery - Spring 1997
BL
True
True

If there was a way to see the photos online, I wouldn't have bothered
you. If there is a way to see them online, I'm doing something really
wrong, and I'm not usually too stupid about online surfing.

I even checked out the Ever Spring site, but the plant seems to no
longer be offered in the catalogue.

In case anybody cares, my plant is still (re)blooming. Yippee! It
started before Christmas and I was only expecting a few weeks of
flowers, so I'm really happy.

I think it might even grow a branch (sorry I'm sure that's not the
right technical term). There is a growth in between two existing
flowers. At first I thought it might turn into another late bloom, but
so far it hasn't shown any signs of blossoming. I'm starting to
suspect it might eventually be an offshoot branch. At least that's
what I'm hoping it is, although it wouldn't surprise me to be proven
wrong.
--Vic

(Description lifted from previous post:

The flower isn't huge -- two inches at its widest point and about two
inches in height -- but I'm still very satisfied. The new leaf is
about one and a half inches long. I'm a bit concerned about it because
it seems to have a few red/burgundy spots on it. The four mature
leaves are pretty solid green, but I've decided that since it looks
healthy otherwise, I won't worry too much.

When I first posted here, the plant wasn't in bloom and I couldn't
offer a very good description of the flower. Now with it sitting in
front of me I can do slightly better. I'll try to apply the right
terms to the various parts of the flower, but I'm really new at this
so I'll apologise right now before I commit my inevitable errors.

The Sepals are very white, but looking at them from the back they have
a hint of green and a hint of pink. Shape-wise, they are fairly soft
and round -- sort of like that perfect chuch window arch -- and not
the sharper, pointier style that I've seen on other orchids.

They are also very snow white except toward the white column (probably
the wrong word) where they have some small magenta spots. If I take
the column (that volcano shaped thing that sticks out at the centre of
the bloom) as the centre of a clock, the spots on the lateral sepals
radius out from the centre at the 5:00 and 7:00 positions and don't
extend any further than the width of the Labellum.

The Petals are also fall on the softer and rounder side of the scale.
The best way to describe them as very broad aces (from a deck of
playing cards) with a rounded tip.

The Lip is magenta. Now this is where I'm going to mess up on the
names (if I haven't already done so). From what I can tell the Lip or
Labellum is supposed to be one petal, but when I'm looking at the
plant, it really looks like four separate and distinct parts: the
skinny bit that attached to the column, the two side petals and the
longer bottom lip. The two arms/petals that are attached to the Lip
(at the 3:00 and 9:00 position to the lip's 6:00 position) are mostly
magenta, but they have a centre stripe of white that extends half-way
down the centre of the petal. The white stripe isn't pure white. It
serves as the background for magenta dashes (like divided highway
lines). There are (roughly) four or five parallel rows of dashes.

At the centre where the Lip attaches to the two other petals -- the
stigmatic surface I guess or the anther cap -- it is mostly white
white with magenta dashes. Under the dashes is a hint of yellow
shading. The part I'm trying to describe sits up and makes a V shape
-- parallel to the stem of the plant, unlike the column which is
perpendicular to the stem (or parallel with the table, if you like).

The Lip is much pointier than the attached petals (or whatever they
are called). It looks like the oultine of the space shuttle
(triangular bottom wings near the stigmatic surface) with a pair of
curled bug antennae on the nose cone. The two connecting petals are
shaped more like the oultine drawings of lightbulbs with the narrow
part connecting near the wing part of the shuttle. )

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:10:33 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote:

Hi,

http://www.dahliafarm.com/orchids/p9871.htm
http://takahashiorchids.com/r0300109.jpg
http://www.danielsorchids.com/Phalae...laenopsis.html

Check out these pics of 'BL'. I remember your previous posts, but I
have to say that by your description, your plant does not sound like the
typical 'BL'. It may contain the mutated Golden Peoker lineage, but a
true BL should be full of plum blotches, not just a few near the centre
of the flower. Any chance you can send me a picture? Don't post on the
list, some people really hate that.

Cheers,
Xi Wang


Hi Xi Wang,

Thanks for those links. I'm really, really convinced now that my plant
was mislabelled. It looks nothing like the plants in your links or in
the photo that Bob so graciously e-mailed me.

I've got prints, but I haven't been able to get time on a scanner yet.
Part of me thinks it's really silly to even bother wasting my time
trying to figure out what this phal is. As I told Bob, I'm not an
expert, I have no plans to show it, I'm not going to clone it, and
it's a pretty unremarkable, mostly white orchid. I'm just happy that
it's alive and well and blooming. It's just nice to look at, and
that's all that really counts.
--Vic
(replace .canada with .ca for a working e-mail address)

This is true. However, sometimes one likes to have a name just for the
sake of completeness....guess it depends on how Type A you are. What
did the original label say? I know it was illegible, but what could you
definitely make out? Along with a photo, it might be possible to still
get an ID. However, based on just a picture and a truly incorrect
label, it's impossible to ID a phal.

Cheers,
Xi

da wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:10:33 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote:


Hi,

http://www.dahliafarm.com/orchids/p9871.htm
http://takahashiorchids.com/r0300109.jpg
http://www.danielsorchids.com/Phalae...laenopsis.html

Check out these pics of 'BL'. I remember your previous posts, but I
have to say that by your description, your plant does not sound like the
typical 'BL'. It may contain the mutated Golden Peoker lineage, but a
true BL should be full of plum blotches, not just a few near the centre
of the flower. Any chance you can send me a picture? Don't post on the
list, some people really hate that.

Cheers,
Xi Wang



Hi Xi Wang,

Thanks for those links. I'm really, really convinced now that my plant
was mislabelled. It looks nothing like the plants in your links or in
the photo that Bob so graciously e-mailed me.

I've got prints, but I haven't been able to get time on a scanner yet.
Part of me thinks it's really silly to even bother wasting my time
trying to figure out what this phal is. As I told Bob, I'm not an
expert, I have no plans to show it, I'm not going to clone it, and
it's a pretty unremarkable, mostly white orchid. I'm just happy that
it's alive and well and blooming. It's just nice to look at, and
that's all that really counts.
--Vic
(replace .canada with .ca for a working e-mail address)

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:21:08 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote:

This is true. However, sometimes one likes to have a name just for the
sake of completeness....guess it depends on how Type A you are. What
did the original label say? I know it was illegible, but what could you
definitely make out? Along with a photo, it might be possible to still
get an ID. However, based on just a picture and a truly incorrect
label, it's impossible to ID a phal.

Cheers,
Xi


Usually I'm pretty type A. g I hate not knowing the answer to a
problem, but I also usually give up hitting the wall with my head once
the blood starts to run into my eyes. ;-)

The label is pretty clear. It reads:

P. Golden Peoker BL (well the BL is a bit fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure
you're right)

Next there's a symbol that looks sort of like the outline of a sun
drawn with brackets. The kind with the points sticking outward like
the rays of the sun. Inside the "sun" there are some blurry numbers.
1? 8 3? 0?

After that it reads
Color: W/BL.SP (at leat I think it's SP)

The next line is:
MC028407 Report eo DR 5/21/04 MAI

One of these days, I will get some photos I can post.
--Vic

Hi,

P. Golden Peoker BL (well the BL is a bit fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure
you're right)

Well, like I said, it probably does have some Golden Peoker in it just
by the way you described the spots near the column of the
flower....sounds like a bigger version of P. Nobby's Shadowy. It's
definitely not a BL, and I remember when you first posted, that was the
problem, and you couldn't tell if it was BL, or EL or whatever.

Next there's a symbol that looks sort of like the outline of a sun
drawn with brackets. The kind with the points sticking outward like
the rays of the sun. Inside the "sun" there are some blurry numbers.
1? 8 3? 0?

I have no idea what these numbers mean, but P. Golden Peoker was
registered with the RHS in 1983?? And the rest, yeah, no idea. Maybe
you should contact the company....did you say everspring? Ha, it's
funny because that's where I get my phals from, and they're like the
only nursery where I live. They should still have records if you can
give them a time frame.

Cheers,
Xi

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:47:45 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote:

Hi,

P. Golden Peoker BL (well the BL is a bit fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure
you're right)

Well, like I said, it probably does have some Golden Peoker in it just
by the way you described the spots near the column of the
flower....sounds like a bigger version of P. Nobby's Shadowy. It's
definitely not a BL, and I remember when you first posted, that was the
problem, and you couldn't tell if it was BL, or EL or whatever.

Next there's a symbol that looks sort of like the outline of a sun
drawn with brackets. The kind with the points sticking outward like
the rays of the sun. Inside the "sun" there are some blurry numbers.
1? 8 3? 0?

I have no idea what these numbers mean, but P. Golden Peoker was
registered with the RHS in 1983?? And the rest, yeah, no idea. Maybe
you should contact the company....did you say everspring? Ha, it's
funny because that's where I get my phals from, and they're like the
only nursery where I live. They should still have records if you can
give them a time frame.

Cheers,
Xi

Xi,

The plant came from cough, cough Home Depot. The picture in Bob's
database was from an old Everspring catalogue.

I'm guessing the date on the label had something to do with when it
was it was (re)potted or when it was designated to be shipped to the
hardware chain. I'm just more and more convinced that the plant was
mislabelled or a customer switched the tags. Both have been known to
happen in big chain retailers.

I really doubt I'll ever know exactly what kind of phal it is. I had
pretty much given up trying to figure it out when Bob posted his link.
I thought I'd just try looking up the reference one more time. I
almost regret doing it because I hate to see you and Bob waste your
time with my silly little quest. I promise I will get pictures up
here one of these days.
--Vic

Hey, it's not a waste of time, it's a phal! I'm crazy about them haha,
and I'm only 22.....if orchids is as addictive as people say, I'd hate
to see what I'll be like when I'm retired or something....

Anyway, still looking forward to the picture. Sometimes an orchid is so
distinctive that you can still get a name out of it, but never a full
name with a cultivar, just the grex.

Cheers,
Xi

da wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:47:45 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote:


Hi,


P. Golden Peoker BL (well the BL is a bit fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure
you're right)

Well, like I said, it probably does have some Golden Peoker in it just
by the way you described the spots near the column of the
flower....sounds like a bigger version of P. Nobby's Shadowy. It's
definitely not a BL, and I remember when you first posted, that was the
problem, and you couldn't tell if it was BL, or EL or whatever.


Next there's a symbol that looks sort of like the outline of a sun
drawn with brackets. The kind with the points sticking outward like
the rays of the sun. Inside the "sun" there are some blurry numbers.
1? 8 3? 0?

I have no idea what these numbers mean, but P. Golden Peoker was
registered with the RHS in 1983?? And the rest, yeah, no idea. Maybe
you should contact the company....did you say everspring? Ha, it's
funny because that's where I get my phals from, and they're like the
only nursery where I live. They should still have records if you can
give them a time frame.

Cheers,
Xi


Xi,

The plant came from cough, cough Home Depot. The picture in Bob's
database was from an old Everspring catalogue.

I'm guessing the date on the label had something to do with when it
was it was (re)potted or when it was designated to be shipped to the
hardware chain. I'm just more and more convinced that the plant was
mislabelled or a customer switched the tags. Both have been known to
happen in big chain retailers.

I really doubt I'll ever know exactly what kind of phal it is. I had
pretty much given up trying to figure it out when Bob posted his link.
I thought I'd just try looking up the reference one more time. I
almost regret doing it because I hate to see you and Bob waste your
time with my silly little quest. I promise I will get pictures up
here one of these days.
--Vic