the identity of the mycorrhizal symbiont of an orchid species is evidence
for its taxonomic position within
Orchidaceae.

Funny that Robert Dressler, the doyen of orchid taxonomy, has never even
mentioned it. What scientific studies or evidence do you have to back this up?
Can you give a specific example?
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen schreef
the identity of the mycorrhizal symbiont of an orchid species is
evidence for its taxonomic position within Orchidaceae.

Funny that Robert Dressler, the doyen of orchid taxonomy, has never even
mentioned it. What scientific studies or evidence do you have to back this
up? Can you give a specific example?
Iris,

+ + +
Actually I wrote:
You can even assign orchids to taxonomic groups depending on the mycorrhiza
they favor.

I imagine I could dig out the relevant publication, but not easy: this
author has too many publications about orchids to his name for me to narrow
it down quickly. I have little interest in orchids.

It sounded as if the story had been told many times, so likely anybody
following such matters will recognize it (the story involved a jacket).
PvR

this author has too many publications about orchids to his name for me to
narrow it down quickly.

What is his name?

It sounded as if the story had been told many times, so likely anybody
following such matters will recognize it (the story involved a jacket).

Indeed? I have been growing orchids for 30 years & never heard of it. Sounds
like one of those urban myths.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Rinkytink is reluctant to give out any actual information because to him its
too much like making a real effort and he might prove himself wrong. He gets
of on being a smartass not on being helpful.

Apparently he doesn't know any real on-line botanical databases and he
doesn't know how to cut-and-paste a link to a website or any info from a
webpage. How sad he can be so arrogant and yet completely inept at the same
time.


Iris Cohen wrote in message
...
this author has too many publications about orchids to his name for me
to
narrow it down quickly.

What is his name?

It sounded as if the story had been told many times, so likely anybody
following such matters will recognize it (the story involved a jacket).

Indeed? I have been growing orchids for 30 years & never heard of it.
Sounds
like one of those urban myths.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen schreef
Indeed? I have been growing orchids for 30 years & never heard of it.
Sounds like one of those urban myths.

Iris,

+ + +
I am beginning to find that there is a hierarchy in such matters. It takes
twenty or thirty years (or more) from the point it was published
scientifically to when the users become aware of it.
PvR

Cereoid-UR12- schreef
Rinkytink is reluctant to give out any actual information because to him
its too much like making a real effort and he might prove himself wrong. He
gets of on being a smartass not on being helpful.

Apparently he doesn't know any real on-line botanical databases and he
doesn't know how to cut-and-paste a link to a website or any info from a
webpage. How sad he can be so arrogant and yet completely inept at the
same time.

+ + +
Pretty good strategy for a brain-dead dead-head, would't you say?
PvR

Sorry Rinkytink but one would hardly call your blatant laziness and
ineptness a strategy.


P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message
...
Cereoid-UR12- schreef
Rinkytink is reluctant to give out any actual information because to him
its too much like making a real effort and he might prove himself wrong.
He
gets of on being a smartass not on being helpful.

Apparently he doesn't know any real on-line botanical databases and he
doesn't know how to cut-and-paste a link to a website or any info from a
webpage. How sad he can be so arrogant and yet completely inept at the
same time.

+ + +
Pretty good strategy for a brain-dead dead-head, would't you say?
PvR

You never answered her question.

Makes one think you actually saw all this in one of your herb induced
dreams.

Who was the author of this stuff to which you allude? Timothy Leary?


P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message
...
Iris Cohen schreef
Indeed? I have been growing orchids for 30 years & never heard of it.
Sounds like one of those urban myths.

Iris,

+ + +
I am beginning to find that there is a hierarchy in such matters. It takes
twenty or thirty years (or more) from the point it was published
scientifically to when the users become aware of it.
PvR

It takes twenty or thirty years (or more) from the point it was published
scientifically to when the users become aware of it.

Horsefeathers! In the orchid world, the latest taxonomic theory crosses the
International Date Line with the speed of e-mail. Any theory that was published
20 or 30 years ago would be widely disseminated if there were a grain of truth
to it.
Remember when you didn't know about jin (dead branches) on conifers and I
suggested you travel abroad? In this case you don't have to leave Holland.
Visit a few of the large commercial orchid nurseries. They will undoubtedly
tell you their mass-produced greenhouse grown orchids don't have any
mycorrhiza, & even if they did, it has nothing to do with taxonomy. Give it a
rest. Cereoid is rude, but he may be right. You haven't even mentioned the
author's name, let alone an example.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen schreef
Visit a few of the large commercial orchid nurseries. They will
undoubtedly tell you their mass-produced greenhouse grown orchids don't have
any mycorrhiza, & even if they did, it has nothing to do with taxonomy.

+ + +
? Commercial orchid growers and orchid taxonomy are two separate realms.
+ + +

Cereoid is rude, but he may be right. You haven't even mentioned the
author's name, let alone an example.
Iris,

+ + +
I am not inclined to get into orchid politics. I don't see how a name will
benefit you if you cannot deduce it (how many leading orchid taxonomists are
there?). Experience has shown me that whenever someone plays the thirty
years card this is a reliable sign of ignorance or ossification, so I have
adjusted my response accordingly.
PvR

It takes a really long time to penetrate that noboby much cares what you
call things ...?
PvR

PS. just out of curiosity: is this the first time you used the word "sorry"?

Cereoid-UR12- schreef
Sorry Rinkytink but one would hardly call your blatant laziness and
ineptness a strategy.

The bottom line is that you aren't man enough to admit you haven't a clue
what you are talking about even when somebody calls your bluff, Rinkytink.
You are fooling no-one!!!! You are just wasting everyone's time with your
inane blaterings. My dead cat knows more than you. It is obvious that you
never answer anyone's questions with actual facts because you don't know any
actual facts.

You lied when you insisted that there was articles that prove that the
cultivated pineapples are of hybrid origin. There are no such articles. The
actual literature says that the cultivated pineapples are of ancient origin
grown by the pre-Columbian natives. You wasted my time with your lies.

The same appears to be true with your false claims about orchid taxonomy.
Without any proof, what you say is worthless and one should conclude you are
not worthy of any serious consideration either.


P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message
...
Iris Cohen schreef
Visit a few of the large commercial orchid nurseries. They will
undoubtedly tell you their mass-produced greenhouse grown orchids don't
have
any mycorrhiza, & even if they did, it has nothing to do with taxonomy.

+ + +
? Commercial orchid growers and orchid taxonomy are two separate realms.
+ + +

Cereoid is rude, but he may be right. You haven't even mentioned the
author's name, let alone an example.
Iris,

+ + +
I am not inclined to get into orchid politics. I don't see how a name will
benefit you if you cannot deduce it (how many leading orchid taxonomists
are
there?). Experience has shown me that whenever someone plays the thirty
years card this is a reliable sign of ignorance or ossification, so I have
adjusted my response accordingly.
PvR

Cereoid-UR12- schreef
You wasted my time with your lies.

one should conclude you are not worthy of any serious consideration
either.

+ + +
Please feel free to go and do something useful.
PvR

In article , Iris Cohen
writes
the identity of the mycorrhizal symbiont of an orchid species is evidence
for its taxonomic position within
Orchidaceae.

You ought to fix your attributions.

Funny that Robert Dressler, the doyen of orchid taxonomy, has never even
mentioned it. What scientific studies or evidence do you have to back this up?
Can you give a specific example?

If you were to go back and read the material that you snipped in your
reply, so you'd see that I didn't claim that it had been used (I
admitted ignorance on that point); only that could potentially be used,
and I gave reasoning (which you also snipped) as to why that might be
the case.

--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

that could potentially be used, and I gave reasoning (which you also
snipped) as to why that might be the case.

No such thing. Forget it.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)