Dear RPMembers,

As many of you discovered, there is a flaw in the system, or should I say
leak to be on topic? ;-)

Rest assured we have a team checking into this. Though some are claiming
responsibility or pointing fingers at formerly known RP trolls, we do not
believe this to be the case.

The important thing to keep in mind during a flood is, go to high ground
and wait. Those using news readers can easily delete them and if using
google you'll have to scroll over them.

If you posted anything prior to or during a flood, please repost
afterwards. We think it is important to return to normal asap.

As far as comments on a flood you may post them under this topic heading.

Thank you, your moderating team
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

~ jan wrote:
Dear RPMembers,

As many of you discovered, there is a flaw in the system, or should I say
leak to be on topic? ;-)

Thanks for the update. I was surprised to see that they had breached 'our'
NG. Hope the problem is solved,

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

Thanks, Nick.

Jim

"~ jan" wrote in message
...
Dear RPMembers,

As many of you discovered, there is a flaw in the system, or should I say
leak to be on topic? ;-)

Rest assured we have a team checking into this. Though some are claiming
responsibility or pointing fingers at formerly known RP trolls, we do not
believe this to be the case.

The important thing to keep in mind during a flood is, go to high ground
and wait. Those using news readers can easily delete them and if using
google you'll have to scroll over them.

If you posted anything prior to or during a flood, please repost
afterwards. We think it is important to return to normal asap.

As far as comments on a flood you may post them under this topic heading.
====================================
There are many many groups being flooded. I read on another newsgroup
they're originating somewhere in the UK.
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

~ jan wrote:

The important thing to keep in mind during a flood is, go to high ground
and wait. Those using news readers can easily delete them and if using
google you'll have to scroll over them.

Another option to consider is to change news servers. Most well managed
servers are able to pretty successfully filter out floods, so that their
users never even see them. For instance, I'm using SuperNews and there
are no flood posts in this group on this server.

--
Kathy - not a ponder, I was just checking out a report I saw elsewhere
claiming that this group was being flooded.

Kathy Morgan wrote:
Another option to consider is to change news servers. Most well managed
servers are able to pretty successfully filter out floods, so that their
users never even see them. For instance, I'm using SuperNews and there
are no flood posts in this group on this server.


I took the holidays off from the 'net, but when I returned (yesterday),
I didn't see any of the flood either.


--

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes
Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
"Usenet really is all about standing around and hitting the ground
with clubs, on a spot where many years earlier a dead horse lay."

On Dec 30, 11:54 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:25:54 CST, (Kathy Morgan)
wrote:

~ jan wrote:

The important thing to keep in mind during a flood is, go to high ground
and wait. Those using news readers can easily delete them and if using
google you'll have to scroll over them.

Another option to consider is to change news servers. Most well managed
servers are able to pretty successfully filter out floods, so that their
users never even see them. For instance, I'm using SuperNews and there
are no flood posts in this group on this server.

Hi Kathy,
There were at least 5235 flood posts. I use several nsp's and
found them on most of the servers.
You are right about Supernews. It is my primary nsp.
Supernews caught the flood and stopped it after 128 posts. Within a
couple hours they had also gone into their storage drives and removed
all 128 posts.
Supernews is a premium nsp, and that means $$ for most people,
unless their isp contracts with Supernews.
But Supernews is at the forefront of combating usenet abuse,
including spam and flooding.
All in all its a _great_ nsp. I recommend them highly.

ron schompert

So there might be a motive in this madness? Interesting. ...

Cordially,

Raving

wrote:

There were at least 5235 flood posts. [...]
Supernews caught the flood and stopped it after 128 posts. Within a
couple hours they had also gone into their storage drives and removed
all 128 posts.

Yes--by the time I checked in here, the flood posts had already been
removed so I never saw them.

Supernews is a premium nsp, and that means $$ for most people,
unless their isp contracts with Supernews.
But Supernews is at the forefront of combating usenet abuse,
including spam and flooding.
All in all its a _great_ nsp. I recommend them highly.

Yes, same here. I'm paying US $42.95/year for my account, which is
pretty much the basic minimump; I'm interested only in the text groups.

I think Supernews is better, but NewsGuy is also a good service and
they're slightly cheaper. Their basic account is $39.95 for a year, and
they are also good at filtering out the floods.

--
Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or
similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the
content. http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html
Links to NNTP newsreaders at http://www.newsreaders.com/

My ISP uses "NewsGuy" and they are all showing up here
Gale :~)

"Kathy Morgan" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:

There were at least 5235 flood posts. [...]
Supernews caught the flood and stopped it after 128 posts. Within a
couple hours they had also gone into their storage drives and removed
all 128 posts.

Yes--by the time I checked in here, the flood posts had already been
removed so I never saw them.

Supernews is a premium nsp, and that means $$ for most people,
unless their isp contracts with Supernews.
But Supernews is at the forefront of combating usenet abuse,
including spam and flooding.
All in all its a _great_ nsp. I recommend them highly.

Yes, same here. I'm paying US $42.95/year for my account, which is
pretty much the basic minimump; I'm interested only in the text groups.

I think Supernews is better, but NewsGuy is also a good service and
they're slightly cheaper. Their basic account is $39.95 for a year, and
they are also good at filtering out the floods.

--
Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or
similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the
content. http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html
Links to NNTP newsreaders at http://www.newsreaders.com/

G Pearce wrote:

My ISP uses "NewsGuy" and they are all showing up here

Oh, that's a disappointment. They used to do better. :-(

--
Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or
similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the
content. http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html
Links to NNTP newsreaders at http://www.newsreaders.com/

In article ,
(Kathy Morgan) wrote:

wrote:

There were at least 5235 flood posts. [...]
Supernews caught the flood and stopped it after 128 posts. Within a
couple hours they had also gone into their storage drives and removed
all 128 posts.

Yes--by the time I checked in here, the flood posts had already been
removed so I never saw them.

Supernews is a premium nsp, and that means $$ for most people,
unless their isp contracts with Supernews.
But Supernews is at the forefront of combating usenet abuse,
including spam and flooding.
All in all its a _great_ nsp. I recommend them highly.

Yes, same here. I'm paying US $42.95/year for my account, which is
pretty much the basic minimump; I'm interested only in the text groups.

I think Supernews is better, but NewsGuy is also a good service and
they're slightly cheaper. Their basic account is $39.95 for a year, and
they are also good at filtering out the floods.

NewsGuy has very proactive and responsive support. I'd be with them if i
didn't already have GigaNews -which is fine.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

Kurt wrote:

In article ,
(Kathy Morgan) wrote:

wrote:

There were at least 5235 flood posts. [...]
Supernews caught the flood and stopped it after 128 posts. Within a
couple hours they had also gone into their storage drives and removed
all 128 posts.

Yes--by the time I checked in here, the flood posts had already been
removed so I never saw them.

Supernews is a premium nsp, and that means $$ for most people,
unless their isp contracts with Supernews.
But Supernews is at the forefront of combating usenet abuse,
including spam and flooding.
All in all its a _great_ nsp. I recommend them highly.

Yes, same here. I'm paying US $42.95/year for my account, which is
pretty much the basic minimump; I'm interested only in the text groups.

I never saw a single one of those posts on individual.net, which costs me
around $14 a year (10 euros, I think).
--
derek

~ jan wrote:
Dear RPMembers,

As many of you discovered, there is a flaw in the system, or should I
say leak to be on topic? ;-)

Rest assured we have a team checking into this. Though some are
claiming responsibility or pointing fingers at formerly known RP
trolls, we do not believe this to be the case.

The important thing to keep in mind during a flood is, go to high
ground and wait. Those using news readers can easily delete them and
if using google you'll have to scroll over them.

If you posted anything prior to or during a flood, please repost
afterwards. We think it is important to return to normal asap.

As far as comments on a flood you may post them under this topic
heading.

Thank you, your moderating team
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us
Not seen a thing.....using german server. NIN.......good filters I guess
--
Pete C
London UK

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In writes:

[...]

__Please be aware__ that this mini-flood, and the big flood on
12-27, were NOT the result of poor or flawed software. These
flooders have discovered the technical means to completely bypass most
(all?) moderation setups. (The method has been out there for years,
but has been relatively secret until recently.). Hopefully, the
movers and shakers of usenet will come up with better technical
and/or legal ways to _decisively_ stop this in the future.

ron schompert
(original proponent of rpm)




Hi Ron,

My recommendation to the moderation team would be to implement PGPMoose:

http://www.killfile.org/pgpmoose/

If the team decides to stay with ReadySTUMP for the next year, have Igor
set it up for you. STUMP has the capability to support PGPMoose
built-in, and its configuration should be well within the custom
programming support that he provides to you for the ReadySTUMP
subscription. If you decide to switch to the Panix STUMP, then PGPMoose
(via a GnuPG key) is already provided.

PGPMoose can serve as an additional "tripwire" on your newsgroup to
quickly detect forgeries, especially one-off forgeries versus floods
that would be detectable by CleanFeed. There are cancel-bots running on
the net that can send old-style cancels, and new-style authenticated
"NoCeM" messages, in response to PGPMoose signature failures. Many
sites directly support such automated cancellation of forgeries. The
killfile.org maintainer above will just need your public key to add to
the cancel-bots.

This is admittedly based on a small sample size, but it appears to me
that newsgroups that are protected by PGPMoose are much less subject to
direct forgeries, MI5 or otherwise.

- --
Paul W. Schleck

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:34:09 CST, wrote:

Generally speaking, our software, and the diligence of the
moderators, have done an excellent job in preserving the integrity
of this newsgroup for the past 10 months, in my opinion.

You and those people have my gratitude for the job you are doing.
Again, I thank you!

Might I offer a suggestion for those of you effected by the flood. I
use Agent, it is a newsreader for people who enjoy reading newsgroups
and has several nice features one of which is a watch filter. I have
a watch filter for most of you because I enjoy reading your posts and
when a flood occurs, I simply look for my watch filters and enjoy
reading what you have to offer instead of sorting through a flood to
find pond related posts.
--
Hal Middle Georgia, Zone 8
http://tinyurl.com/2fxzcb