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Getting rid of fish
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:28:36 CST, "Reel McKoi"
wrote: Many of us made mistakes because no one points out all the problems and things that can go wrong. Since every pond, ponder, materials, soil are different, I don't think there is a book out there that could cover it all. Especially not in the mid-90's. Even if you had known then what you know now, wouldn't you have still dug the ponds? I shudder to think what it would cost to hire someone to add these to both ponds and in such a way they can be netted. I don't think Phyllis was even suggesting this. While you're mentioning all the cons of ponding, a few of us are pointing out the pros, and that it can be done low maintenance and low cost. After all, you've mentioned you're ready to pull off the nets, sell the fish, and go the lazy ponder way that Kathy enjoys. ;-) No one here is trying to sway you not to. I never dreamed there would be so much maintenance involved. Then, once the koi started to breed the maintenance increased. There is no other way to remove fry than do a draindown and net them out. A dirty smelly all day job as I mentioned before. And I don't think anyone here is trying to talk you out of retiring from these chores. They're just stating their experiences. I know I dug my first pond in 1995, a year earlier than yourself and haven't had a 5th of the problems you've had. So everyone/pond and experiences thereof, are often quite different. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Getting rid of fish
natural birth control = orfes
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Getting rid of fish
"Joe" wrote in message ... wrote: natural birth control = orfes Can't get orfes in California ========================= I haven't seen them here in years. They may be illegal here. I tried rosy reds but they don't survive for some reason. They disappear. They may be small enough for the tiny snakes that go through the nets to pick off. But then these baby predators should be picking off the koi and GF fry as well.......... -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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"~ jan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:28:36 CST, "Reel McKoi" wrote: Many of us made mistakes because no one points out all the problems and things that can go wrong. Since every pond, ponder, materials, soil are different, I don't think there is a book out there that could cover it all. Especially not in the mid-90's. Even if you had known then what you know now, wouldn't you have still dug the ponds? Most likely I would have. But I would have designed them to be more natural and have never bought fish for them. The fish are the main attraction for the snakes and fish eating predators. The fish are what's causing most of the work. And their rate of reproduction is phenomenal. I tried adding rosy reds to consume some of the eggs and fry, but they don't survive for some reason. I shudder to think what it would cost to hire someone to add these to both ponds and in such a way they can be netted. I don't think Phyllis was even suggesting this. While you're mentioning all the cons of ponding, a few of us are pointing out the pros, and that it can be done low maintenance and low cost. Yes, it can...... depending where you live and what you want to keep in your pond. After all, you've mentioned you're ready to pull off the nets, sell the fish, and go the lazy ponder way that Kathy enjoys. ;-) No one here is trying to sway you not to. I think we all concentrate on the pros Jan, and forget that all coins have a flip side. I'm not crazy about these nets either. They're a real PIA but the only thing that worked. They're in the way of maintenance and of course not natural looking or attractive although fine and black. I never dreamed there would be so much maintenance involved. Then, once the koi started to breed the maintenance increased. There is no other way to remove fry than do a draindown and net them out. A dirty smelly all day job as I mentioned before. And I don't think anyone here is trying to talk you out of retiring from these chores. They're just stating their experiences. I know I dug my first pond in 1995, a year earlier than yourself and haven't had a 5th of the problems you've had. So everyone/pond and experiences thereof, are often quite different. ~ jan Jan, the first 150g kitty-pool pond was put in in May or June of 1995, as per the Tetra booklet that was all I could find locally. I didn't have a PC back then. The library here had nothing on liner ponds. Ponds were not that popular or common at the time either. No one had liner ponds or anything other than farm stock ponds that I knew. I went by those early books that expounded on the pros and minimized the cons if they mentioned them at all. Finding any good info was hard. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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