I recently installed a medium sized preformed pond (~75-100 gallons),
and I would like to add a modest waterfall. Not too tall, say 2 feet at
the most. I would like a reasonable flow, not a trickle but not a
river.

I would like a recomendation on a pump. I'm on a limited budget, but I
do understand the initial cost/power usage relationship, and I don't
want something of low quality.

I'm thinking something in the ballpark of 300-500GPH, $25-75, and 15-75
Watts. But I'm just throwing out some numbers.

Thanks.

"john" wrote in message
ups.com...
I recently installed a medium sized preformed pond (~75-100 gallons),
and I would like to add a modest waterfall. Not too tall, say 2 feet at
the most. I would like a reasonable flow, not a trickle but not a
river.

I would like a recomendation on a pump. I'm on a limited budget, but I
do understand the initial cost/power usage relationship, and I don't
want something of low quality.

I'm thinking something in the ballpark of 300-500GPH, $25-75, and 15-75
Watts. But I'm just throwing out some numbers.
=========================
That's about what you can expect to pay for a pump - around $65 for one in
the 500 gph range at your local Home Depot.
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I would go the extra mile and order a decent energy efficient pump
from an online source and stay away from the pumps typically sold at
big box stores, which usually carry Little Giant, Sunterra and
Beckett. A pump in that range made by Danner, called the MAg Drive
would be a number 5 pump0 but I would go bigger as its easy to
restrict flow and have more than you need than be at a minimum with a
smaller pump....If it was my setup I would go with a Mag Drive 7 as a
minimum or no more than a 9.5 Mag Drive........Both of which will fall
in the wattage area and can be had for about $75 for ther 9.5
size.......The Size 5 is rated at 500 gph but at 2 feet of heat that
is going to reduce flow somewhat.

Checkout AZ ponds or most any online site, most all the better ones
will sell Danner MAg Drive pumps.......Trust me you can not get too
much and there may be a time yu really need a bit more flow than
utilizing a minimum flow pump. The MAg Drives from size 5 on up can be
submerged or run externally so you have more options with them as well
as far as install. They carry a no questions asked 3 year warranty and
they do stand by their product hassle free.

On 23 Aug 2005 12:54:44 -0700, "john"
wrote:

===I recently installed a medium sized preformed pond (~75-100 gallons),
===and I would like to add a modest waterfall. Not too tall, say 2 feet at
===the most. I would like a reasonable flow, not a trickle but not a
===river.
===
===I would like a recomendation on a pump. I'm on a limited budget, but I
===do understand the initial cost/power usage relationship, and I don't
===want something of low quality.
===
===I'm thinking something in the ballpark of 300-500GPH, $25-75, and 15-75
===Watts. But I'm just throwing out some numbers.
===
===Thanks.


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"Roy" wrote in message
...
I would go the extra mile and order a decent energy efficient pump
from an online source and stay away from the pumps typically sold at
big box stores, which usually carry Little Giant, Sunterra and
Beckett. A pump in that range made by Danner, called the MAg Drive
would be a number 5 pump0 but I would go bigger as its easy to
restrict flow and have more than you need than be at a minimum with a
smaller pump....If it was my setup I would go with a Mag Drive 7 as a
minimum or no more than a 9.5 Mag Drive........Both of which will fall
in the wattage area and can be had for about $75 for ther 9.5
size.......The Size 5 is rated at 500 gph but at 2 feet of heat that
is going to reduce flow somewhat.

Checkout AZ ponds or most any online site, most all the better ones
will sell Danner MAg Drive pumps.......Trust me you can not get too
much and there may be a time yu really need a bit more flow than
utilizing a minimum flow pump. The MAg Drives from size 5 on up can be
submerged or run externally so you have more options with them as well
as far as install. They carry a no questions asked 3 year warranty and
they do stand by their product hassle free.

I'm looking at adding a small upper stream/waterfall as well, Roy. The lift
will probably be 3-4 feet from the pond surface, but the outlet for the pump
will probably be about 12 feet or so away from the pond.. would a 5 or 9 be
in order for that?

BTW googled them, and found this page.. are the prices good for those pumps?
(Haven't checked shipping on them yet.)

Other option I was considering was a uv filter/pump combo, since I have a
lot of sunlight, and have difficulty getting enough plants in the pond to
retard the greenwater.

--
Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)
Gareee's Homepage:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine.../mainframe.htm

Checkout the specs.........Depending on the exact run and height, I
sort of doubt a 5 or 7 is gonna be the one for that feature, probably
a 9.5 as a minimum or better yet a 12, still under a 100 bucks

http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_....asp?ast=&key=

One thing I noticed on this website with the specs etc, it says mag
drive not recomended for external use...but all of my pumps from thre
5 up to my 18 all plainlaya state in the instructins and product
papers they can be used submersed or external. I have had a 5 and a 7
running external now for over a year 24/7 without a problem. I just
ordered two more 12's for my salt water reef tank, one of which will
be external. I have found one site that I should have book marked
that had the lowest priceson DAnners yet. I found it after I ordered
my last two, so I'm still looking for it, and will post it if I ever
find it. I have been buying from the folks at the above link for some
time now as their prices are inline with most others. The website
listed below will show you flow and shutoff rates. AZ ponds has free
shipping on Mag Drives right now so they would be cheaper by far.

wrote:

==="Roy" wrote in message
et...
===I would go the extra mile and order a decent energy efficient pump
=== from an online source and stay away from the pumps typically sold at
=== big box stores, which usually carry Little Giant, Sunterra and
=== Beckett. A pump in that range made by Danner, called the MAg Drive
=== would be a number 5 pump0 but I would go bigger as its easy to
=== restrict flow and have more than you need than be at a minimum with a
=== smaller pump....If it was my setup I would go with a Mag Drive 7 as a
=== minimum or no more than a 9.5 Mag Drive........Both of which will fall
=== in the wattage area and can be had for about $75 for ther 9.5
=== size.......The Size 5 is rated at 500 gph but at 2 feet of heat that
=== is going to reduce flow somewhat.
===
=== Checkout AZ ponds or most any online site, most all the better ones
=== will sell Danner MAg Drive pumps.......Trust me you can not get too
=== much and there may be a time yu really need a bit more flow than
=== utilizing a minimum flow pump. The MAg Drives from size 5 on up can be
=== submerged or run externally so you have more options with them as well
=== as far as install. They carry a no questions asked 3 year warranty and
=== they do stand by their product hassle free.
===
===I'm looking at adding a small upper stream/waterfall as well, Roy. The lift
===will probably be 3-4 feet from the pond surface, but the outlet for the pump
===will probably be about 12 feet or so away from the pond.. would a 5 or 9 be
===in order for that?
===
===BTW googled them, and found this page.. are the prices good for those pumps?
===(Haven't checked shipping on them yet.)
===
===Other option I was considering was a uv filter/pump combo, since I have a
===lot of sunlight, and have difficulty getting enough plants in the pond to
===retard the greenwater.


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"Roy" wrote in message
...

AZ ponds has free
shipping on Mag Drives right now so they would be cheaper by far.

I'm looking there, but don't see the danners under internal or external pond
pumps. I'll keep checking.

Would it be better to use a splitter, and use the mag to drive water through
a uv filter, and the stream/falls separately?

I noticed some of the uv filters are 4 ft long.. how do you guys hide them?

--
Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)
Gareee's Homepage:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine.../mainframe.htm

Gareee© wrote:

"Roy" wrote in message
...

AZ ponds has free
shipping on Mag Drives right now so they would be cheaper by far.

I'm looking there, but don't see the danners under internal or external
pond pumps. I'll keep checking.

Danner is the manufacturer, and it's not often clearly noted. Look for
"Supreme"

Would it be better to use a splitter, and use the mag to drive water
through a uv filter, and the stream/falls separately?

I noticed some of the uv filters are 4 ft long.. how do you guys hide
them?

Turn them off and they hide in the green water :-)

I just can't see the point of a UV clarifier (it's not a filter). Good
housekeeping will keep a pond clear _enough_. Even less would I consider
UV for a preformed pond - it's just overkill (literally).
--
derek

"Gareee©" wrote in message
...
I noticed some of the uv filters are 4 ft long.. how do you guys hide
them?
===================
I hid mine in the plants along the side of the pond. Ivy and hostas growing
around the rock necklace can hide a lot of stuff. I don't use them anymore
because they're a real PIA to keep clean and it's expensive to replace the
bulbs. Since using Koi-Zyme or Lymno-Zyme we haven't had any ulcers.
Ulcers were the main reason we bought them in the first place.
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My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b
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I have my filters and uv's in the shed behind my pond. The 40 watt and
larger units are all about 4 foot long and would require a pretty good size
bush to hide them. You might look into creating a shed of some sort, one
that looks like an outhouse with moon in door, a lighthouse, or similar
structure that would fit in your decor.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"Gareee©" wrote in message
...
"Roy" wrote in message
...

AZ ponds has free
shipping on Mag Drives right now so they would be cheaper by far.

I'm looking there, but don't see the danners under internal or external
pond pumps. I'll keep checking.

Would it be better to use a splitter, and use the mag to drive water
through a uv filter, and the stream/falls separately?

I noticed some of the uv filters are 4 ft long.. how do you guys hide
them?

--
Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)
Gareee's Homepage:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine.../mainframe.htm

go to this site, I picked up a 540 gallon per hour pump for 21.95 + shipping
http://www.fountainology.com/outdoor/pond_pumps1.html
"john" wrote in message
ups.com...
I recently installed a medium sized preformed pond (~75-100 gallons),
and I would like to add a modest waterfall. Not too tall, say 2 feet at
the most. I would like a reasonable flow, not a trickle but not a
river.

I would like a recomendation on a pump. I'm on a limited budget, but I
do understand the initial cost/power usage relationship, and I don't
want something of low quality.

I'm thinking something in the ballpark of 300-500GPH, $25-75, and 15-75
Watts. But I'm just throwing out some numbers.

Thanks.

Looks like the model 306 Via Aqua........While I do not have any
actual hands on experieince with them, just reading about various pump
brands that are used in a marine environment, the Via Aqua certainly
gets a big thumbs down, when compared to others like Danner MAg
Drives. They start to rattle excessively and generate more heat
overall than others do....Now that may not be a problem at all in a
outdoor pond, as they are setting in a few feet of water in a rubber
liner or preform, and possibly heat buildup outdoors is not as big an
issue, but in a glass or acrylic sump and building up heat in a salt
water tank they certainly do not cut it........nor have their life
epxectancy seem to be all that long when run 24/7....Even the Via
Aqua power heads have a bad rep..However for the price if they do what
they say it does, there is some good prices on these pumps. I may even
order a VA4900 for a dewatering pump for my holding tanks and give it
a try.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:54:02 GMT, "JEFF DRESSNER"
wrote:

===http://www.fountainology.com/outdoor/pond_pumps1.html


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