Hi.
While digging this new turtle pond I've been working on, there was a very
small portion of ground where the two yard fences met, and being on the
digging spree I was, I hollowed it out about 10" deep, 18" wide, 8" tall.
If it EVER stops raining here I'm going to go out and put the finishing
touches on the digging and once again and FINALLY lay the liner, and that
will go into this little "hole" I dug, too. While I was digging it in the
back of my mind I was thinking some kind of bog filter, or place for the
clean water to enter and flow over the ledge back into the main turtle pond,
or SOMETHING. So what exactly is the criteria for a big filtration area?
Do I now put tiny pebbles in the lined hole and plant bog plants and let the
water slowly go into this area? What makes a bog filtration area a
filtering place? The media in it? The rate that the water enters it and
leaves it? Trying to make it work in my mind so I can then make it work
in reality. TIA.
Sue

Someone wrote this up, can't remember who, probably a group effort but here is
an explanation of a veggie filter
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Construct a veggie filter - an area,
10% to 20%, of the size of your pond surface area. A couple of inches deeper
than the plant baskets (the rigid black mesh baskets made specifically for
water plants) you are going to use to plant in. Plant the baskets with marginal
plants with fine gravel. Pump the pond water through at a turnover rate per
hour 1/2 to 1/4 of the pond volume. Veggie filter uses up many of the nutrients
and provides a good place for bacteria to grow. Build it with a bottom drain
(or two) for ease of cleaning - very important, this helps with backups and
leaking over the edge.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


k30a

So basically when I read about bog filters and veggie filters, they are one
in the same?
Sue


"K30a" wrote in message
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Someone wrote this up, can't remember who, probably a group effort but
here is
an explanation of a veggie filter
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Construct a veggie filter - an
area,
10% to 20%, of the size of your pond surface area. A couple of inches
deeper
than the plant baskets (the rigid black mesh baskets made specifically for
water plants) you are going to use to plant in. Plant the baskets with
marginal
plants with fine gravel. Pump the pond water through at a turnover rate
per
hour 1/2 to 1/4 of the pond volume. Veggie filter uses up many of the
nutrients
and provides a good place for bacteria to grow. Build it with a bottom
drain
(or two) for ease of cleaning - very important, this helps with backups
and
leaking over the edge.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


k30a

Sue wrote
So basically when I read about bog filters and veggie filters, they are one
in the same?


For ponders we are talking about the same thing.
A true bog exists without any water running through it and is home to acid
loving plants. So we probably shouldn't use the term 'bog filter'.

Veggie filter is running water through the plant's roots and planting media.
The plants take up the nutrients and the media is a place for benefical
bacteria to hang out.
It can be as simple as floating water hyacinths in a stock tank filter, which
is what I do.


k30a

my veggie filter has no planting medium with water running thru it. either the
plants are in containers in dirt and just the bottom touches the surface or the roots
are right down into the water. Ingrid


Veggie filter is running water through the plant's roots and planting media.
The plants take up the nutrients and the media is a place for benefical
bacteria to hang out.
It can be as simple as floating water hyacinths in a stock tank filter, which
is what I do.

wrote:
my veggie filter has no planting medium with water running thru it.
either the plants are in containers in dirt and just the bottom
touches the surface or the roots are right down into the water.
Ingrid



My "bog" area is just deep enough that the top of the plant pots are
just at or just below water level, the smaller plants are planted in 1
in rocks in baskets the large plants,,Irris and cattail are just
plunked in the water


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

One thing about my hyacinth filter --- when they
are small they can block the filter outlet and do a 50% water change. ak!
I'll have to rig up something until they get bigger.
You still have to watch them but last year had no problems with blocking.


k30a

I have added two new plants to my veggie filter: a tomato
plant and a few hostas. Someone mentioned them and I
thought I'd give them a try.
--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Could we on rec.ponds try to fix the terms bog & veggie? Note how K30a
defined them, those of us who use plants in a separate filtering pond have
VEGGIE filters, not BOG filters.

Could we do this? Please? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
Could we on rec.ponds try to fix the terms bog & veggie? Note how K30a
defined them, those of us who use plants in a separate filtering pond have
VEGGIE filters, not BOG filters.

Could we do this? Please? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Okay. I have a veggie filter for my pond and a
seperate bog not connected in any way.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Xref: kermit rec.ponds:111390


And I have a frog bog.
Home to happy froggy tadpoles.
No running water into or out of
it.
Occasionally it becomes flooded with rain
or sprinkler water.


k30a

LOL!! I guess the term .. VEGGIE filter ... isn't actually correct as
very few of us grow Vegetable Filters ... rather, we grow Plant
Filters.
Maybe PLANT filter would be closer to the mark?
Or is this splitting hairs too closely? LOL

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"K30a" wrote in message
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And I have a frog bog.
Home to happy froggy tadpoles.
No running water into or out of
it.
Occasionally it becomes flooded with rain
or sprinkler water.


k30a

Nedra wrote Maybe PLANT filter would be closer to the mark?
Or is this splitting hairs too closely? LOL

Hmmmmm. Good question.
Well, Bonnie is putting a tomato plant inside
her veggie filter........ *but* is a tomato a vegetable
or is it a fruit....? And if it is a fruit, does Bonnie have a fruit filter?
;-)


k30a

Nedra wrote:
LOL!! I guess the term .. VEGGIE filter ... isn't actually correct as
very few of us grow Vegetable Filters ... rather, we grow Plant
Filters.
Maybe PLANT filter would be closer to the mark?
Or is this splitting hairs too closely? LOL

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

But I'm growing tomatoes and water celery and watercress in
mine. Does that qualify it?
--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

and while we're at it . . . is it tomato or tomatoe?
Sue

"K30a" wrote in message
...
Nedra wrote Maybe PLANT filter would be closer to the mark?
Or is this splitting hairs too closely? LOL

Hmmmmm. Good question.
Well, Bonnie is putting a tomato plant inside
her veggie filter........ *but* is a tomato a vegetable
or is it a fruit....? And if it is a fruit, does Bonnie have a fruit
filter?
;-)


k30a