1. how much do koi grow a year?? like, how old is a 3 in. koi, & how old is
a 12 in.?? seems like my goldfish are growing & the don't.

2. also,,, I have read on here about how koi love to trash plants. is there
a certain size they get to THEN they start doing this?? and/or do you need a
gang of them?

first question

http://www.coloradokoi.com has a ghrowth chart on Koi they grow
usualy fairly fast the firs t cuple years given the right environment

2nd I have had my Koi in the veggie bog without undue dammage, also I
do still have 8 waterlilies in the Koi pond that are doing well, the Koi
dont seem to bother them they do congregate under the lily leaves for
shade tho and I have both ground and water mint in what rocks around
the pond I can see roots from some of them up to 6-8 in in the water
( up until this month there were aprox 150 koi in the pond from 4 in to
2 ft)

Posible explanation for this is I do have lots of string algae that I
dont harvest ( only remove what I consider to be too dang much algae )
and lots of small life forms in the pond for them to nibble on that are
not in the lily pots
I see the fish burowing in the algae for bugs and pulling chunks of
algae that they eat
I also use Koi Clay

*muffin* wrote:
1. how much do koi grow a year?? like, how old is a 3 in. koi, & how old is
a 12 in.?? seems like my goldfish are growing & the don't.

2. also,,, I have read on here about how koi love to trash plants. is there
a certain size they get to THEN they start doing this?? and/or do you need a
gang of them?




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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

Thanks for "top posting", John. What a big help that is, for
me anyway

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John Rutz" wrote in message
...
first question

http://www.coloradokoi.com has a ghrowth chart on Koi they grow
usualy fairly fast the firs t cuple years given the right environment

2nd I have had my Koi in the veggie bog without undue dammage, also I
do still have 8 waterlilies in the Koi pond that are doing well, the Koi
dont seem to bother them they do congregate under the lily leaves for
shade tho and I have both ground and water mint in what rocks around
the pond I can see roots from some of them up to 6-8 in in the water
( up until this month there were aprox 150 koi in the pond from 4 in to
2 ft)

Posible explanation for this is I do have lots of string algae that I
dont harvest ( only remove what I consider to be too dang much algae )
and lots of small life forms in the pond for them to nibble on that are
not in the lily pots
I see the fish burowing in the algae for bugs and pulling chunks of
algae that they eat
I also use Koi Clay

*muffin* wrote:
1. how much do koi grow a year?? like, how old is a 3 in. koi, & how old
is
a 12 in.?? seems like my goldfish are growing & the don't.

2. also,,, I have read on here about how koi love to trash plants. is
there
a certain size they get to THEN they start doing this?? and/or do you
need a
gang of them?




--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

1. how much do koi grow a year?? like, how old is a 3 in. koi, & how old is
a 12 in.?? seems like my goldfish are growing & the don't.

He... for me I would say the 3 in. is a 1 year old and so is the 12
in. (at least for a couple of my fish)

2. also,,, I have read on here about how koi love to trash plants. is there
a certain size they get to THEN they start doing this?? and/or do you need a
gang of them?

Lillies / lotus in reasonable numbers survive but for other things
(underwater) you need to have a lot of plants. I recommend separate
koi pond from plants.

how much they grow depends on 1. genetics and 2. water quality and 3. food
I have 26 koi in this pond with 2 huge water lilies and they will go thru em, up and
over them to get at food lands on the leaves, but dont eat them.
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/7-15-03a.jpg
Ingrid


"*muffin*" wrote:

1. how much do koi grow a year?? like, how old is a 3 in. koi, & how old is
a 12 in.?? seems like my goldfish are growing & the don't.

2. also,,, I have read on here about how koi love to trash plants. is there
a certain size they get to THEN they start doing this?? and/or do you need a
gang of them?




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The amount of food and frequency of feeding will help. I feed mine 4 times
a day, and at least enough to keep them occupied for about 4 minutes or so.
They rarely eat at the plants. They won't eat lettuce, oranges, duckweed or
any of the other treats people feed their koi. Just pellets please. But if
I leave for a day or two, they tell me about it by trashing as much as
possible.
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"Cybe R. Wizard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:20:21 GMT
wrote:

how much they grow depends on 1. genetics and 2. water quality and 3.
food I have 26 koi in this pond with 2 huge water lilies and they will
go thru em, up and over them to get at food lands on the leaves, but
dont eat them. http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/7-15-03a.jpg
Ingrid

Is it maybe a function of size? My five (16 inches and better) will
consume lilies all day long. Last year I transplanted three to the back
pond and saw only one leaf all year long. Put them back in the front
pond for this year and all are blooming like mad! Buncha leaves, too.
Danged koi would go into a five gallon bucket with the rim just below
the surface, stick their tails straight up, and /pull/ Arrowhead up to
get to the roots.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

The amount of food and frequency of feeding will help. I feed mine 4 times
a day, and at least enough to keep them occupied for about 4 minutes or so.
They rarely eat at the plants. They won't eat lettuce, oranges, duckweed or
any of the other treats people feed their koi. Just pellets please. But if
I leave for a day or two, they tell me about it by trashing as much as
possible.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Cybe R. Wizard" wrote in message
news:20030715132518.30067673.cyber_wizard@mindspri ng.com...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:20:21 GMT
wrote:

how much they grow depends on 1. genetics and 2. water quality and 3.
food I have 26 koi in this pond with 2 huge water lilies and they will
go thru em, up and over them to get at food lands on the leaves, but
dont eat them. http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/7-15-03a.jpg
Ingrid

Is it maybe a function of size? My five (16 inches and better) will
consume lilies all day long. Last year I transplanted three to the back
pond and saw only one leaf all year long. Put them back in the front
pond for this year and all are blooming like mad! Buncha leaves, too.
Danged koi would go into a five gallon bucket with the rim just below
the surface, stick their tails straight up, and /pull/ Arrowhead up to
get to the roots.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

I feed mine Ogata, high protein food. what do you feed yours? Ingrid

"Cybe R. Wizard" wrote:
Is it maybe a function of size? My five (16 inches and better) will
consume lilies all day long. Last year I transplanted three to the back
pond and saw only one leaf all year long. Put them back in the front
pond for this year and all are blooming like mad! Buncha leaves, too.
Danged koi would go into a five gallon bucket with the rim just below
the surface, stick their tails straight up, and /pull/ Arrowhead up to
get to the roots.

Cybe R. Wizard



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:20:21 GMT
wrote:

how much they grow depends on 1. genetics and 2. water quality and 3.
food I have 26 koi in this pond with 2 huge water lilies and they will
go thru em, up and over them to get at food lands on the leaves, but
dont eat them. http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/7-15-03a.jpg
Ingrid

Is it maybe a function of size? My five (16 inches and better) will
consume lilies all day long. Last year I transplanted three to the back
pond and saw only one leaf all year long. Put them back in the front
pond for this year and all are blooming like mad! Buncha leaves, too.
Danged koi would go into a five gallon bucket with the rim just below
the surface, stick their tails straight up, and /pull/ Arrowhead up to
get to the roots.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L