I am leaning towards the pvc with gravel in the ends. Since i have a
pondlet, i am afraid to A) cut down on the fish's space, and B) make
it easy for them to get hurt. My female gets chased half to death.

I SURRRRRE am thinking about my next pond....



On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:09:28 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

I vote with John. My pond has four old
concrete blocks... never has been a problem.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John Rutz" wrote in message
...


claude rogers wrote:
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less than
10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent
leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk
crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude



there are two easy ways for you if you can find some old weathered
blocks they will go in now with no treatment, check around contractors,
they usualyu have some old blocks laying around

also you can paint them with acrilic paints
--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less than 10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude

I have used hollow concrete blocks, without any treatment, for years. No
problem.
However, do not use 'besser' blocks or similar light weight concrete because
they have a high lime content and break down very easily.
Les

I got rid of the milk crates when the koi got too large to fit through the
holes. I made stands out of pvc pipes and didn't even glue them. I like
this open design much better as the milk crates used to have so much 'stuff'
lurking inside them. Ugh!
--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less than 10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude

We sat our concrete blocks out in the
yard in full sun and daily sprinkler treatments
for a couple of weeks. Went in the pond with no
problem.

Remodeling bug hits later... now we have four
in there that are the base for the island.
Fish condos below.


k30a

Thanks for all the replies guys....Claude

I got rid of the milk crates when the koi got too large to fit through the
holes. I made stands out of pvc pipes and didn't even glue them. I like
this open design much better as the milk crates used to have so much 'stuff'
lurking inside them. Ugh!
--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less than 10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude

claude rogers wrote:
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less than 10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude



I have chimney flues in my koi pond. They are made of red
clay and work well.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Man you might be pushing it with 5-6 blocks. You can stick them in and then
watch your PH. Concrete in water can quickly raise the PH to 12 or 13 which
as I found out will literally dissolve fish.


"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
The pond is appoximately 950 gallons.



"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
...
No painting or acid wash is going to remove the calcium hydroxide - and
forget about soaking with vinegar it's a myth. How many gallons is your
pond?

"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me think'in. I am
using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less
than
10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed
or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent
leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk
crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude

"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
.. .
Man you might be pushing it with 5-6 blocks. You can stick them in and
then
watch your PH. Concrete in water can quickly raise the PH to 12 or 13
which
as I found out will literally dissolve fish.


"claude rogers" wrote in message
...
The pond is appoximately 950 gallons.



"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
news:bf4dpn$m5 That poor fishy stuck in the milk crate has got me
think'in. I am
using
milk crates for plant stands, my fish are still fairly small, less
than
10
inches, someone said they use concrete blocks treated or acid washed
or
painted or something. Exactly what did you do to them to prevent
leeching
lime "I think it's lime" I thought about painting them black but
with
what
kind of paint.....Thoughts...I don't want my fishies stuck in a milk
crate
hole...or...is there an alternative to concrete....Thanks Claude
Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above ground
on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney up to
the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years now
and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds before
we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely bold
and very quick. Fred

Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space in
my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above
ground
on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney up
to
the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years
now
and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds
before
we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely bold
and very quick. Fred

Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space in
my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above
ground
on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney up
to
the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years
now
and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds
before
we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely bold
and very quick. Fred

UP is nice, but your signature line indicates you're in Zone 5. If you're
planning to do an above ground pond, you will need to find space inside to
over-winter your fish. Further, you will probably need to drain the pond to
avoid damage from ice. Now, this is coming from someone in Central FL -
where the only ice I see is in a "cold tall one" - but I think that's a safe
bet.

Lee

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
...
Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space
in
my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Fred" wrote in message
...
Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above
ground
on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney
up
to
the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years
now
and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds
before
we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely
bold
and very quick. Fred

as a Z5 ponder I would wonder how far up and also how far down into the
ground for this if the pond is 2-3 ft deep in the ground, below the
above ground portion it could be drained to just below ground level and
not crack the above ground suround.

John Rutz

Lee Brouillet wrote:
UP is nice, but your signature line indicates you're in Zone 5. If you're
planning to do an above ground pond, you will need to find space inside to
over-winter your fish. Further, you will probably need to drain the pond to
avoid damage from ice. Now, this is coming from someone in Central FL -
where the only ice I see is in a "cold tall one" - but I think that's a safe
bet.

Lee

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
...

Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space

in

my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Fred" wrote in message
...

Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above

ground

on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney

up

to

the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years

now

and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds

before

we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely

bold

and very quick. Fred








--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

Lee Brouillet wrote:
UP is nice, but your signature line indicates you're in Zone 5. If you're
planning to do an above ground pond, you will need to find space inside to
over-winter your fish. Further, you will probably need to drain the pond to
avoid damage from ice. Now, this is coming from someone in Central FL -
where the only ice I see is in a "cold tall one" - but I think that's a safe
bet.

Lee

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
...

Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space

in

my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Fred" wrote in message
...

Our back yard pond is about 12' x 8' x 2' and is built entirely above

ground

on a concrete slab. The walls are mortared large stone and the chimney

up

to

the waterfall is made entirely of concrete block. I had this built
commercially and they painted it with something that sealed it as I have
never had problems (nor have my fish). It has been in for about 3 years

now

and we have never lost a fish to bad water. Lost several to bad birds

before

we netted the pond. Green Herons were the worst as they are extremely

bold

and very quick. Fred









--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Lee Brouillet wrote:
UP is nice, but your signature line indicates you're in Zone 5. If you're
planning to do an above ground pond, you will need to find space inside to
over-winter your fish. Further, you will probably need to drain the pond to
avoid damage from ice. Now, this is coming from someone in Central FL -
where the only ice I see is in a "cold tall one" - but I think that's a safe
bet.

Lee

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
...

Do you have any pictures of your pond? I don't have anymore digable space

in

my backyard and am thinking of building UP.

--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed



Hi,
My pond is both in the ground and above. I went down as far
as I could dig and then we built a landscape timber raised
pond - total depth is 44". The above ground section has
2" pink foam insulation between the timbers and the liner
and then we added the dirt from the digging to the sides.
(Both to reinforce and also to help insulate.) The pond has
been done for 2 years and we've had no problems, even with
the past winter which was nasty.


--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/