And that darn clay! BTW why can't I feed my Koi catfish food? :-)

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
Aww come on...let me be in denile for at least a little while...now...back
to those rocks...they're just not quite right...

BV.


"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Ahhh, BV: the way to achieve your dream is with MINIMAL stocking levels
and
lots of plants. Then you will be able to sit by the side with a tall,
cool
one in your hand and survey your domain.

Or, you could get stupid, like me: I like the fishies. I like them toooo
much. I have taken to avoiding the sales areas as much as possible when
forced into a store, just so one doesn't jump to the side of the pond,
splash me with a tail, and scream TAKE ME HOME!!!! Being your basic
impulse
buyer, I've done that a lot. And back when I began this hobby, no one
mentioned that if you don't kill them from ignorance or negligence, they
grow. And BREED!! And now I have too many: *way* too many. Now what?

Well, "now what?" entails learning more about fish than you ever dreamed
existed; it means chasing numbers; it means keeping a constant watchful
eye
on your domain, testing for this and that to ensure that nothing goes
the
"slightest" bit out of whack, or if it does, you know immediately and
can
take appropriate action. The plants come out, because they could become
disease vectors. Added filtration goes in to take up what the plants
aren't
doing. Even if you leave the plants in, you may notice that they're not
as
nice or healthy looking as someone else's. You begin to pout and say, "I
want that, TOO!" Then out comes the fertilizers and the potash, and the
"this and that" until you achieve the lush greens and bright flowers
you're
looking for.

BV, Dahling - I don't know if it IS possible to ignore and enjoy: Half
the
fun - shoot, maybe MORE than half the fun - is in the learning process.
It's
a creation made in the image of your mind's eye: your own little piece
of
the world, something that would not exist if you had not created it. And
you're reponsible for it. The planning, the implementation; the mistakes
and
corrections; the life forms - their nurturing and well-being: sorry,
Dude.
You signed on for a learning experience beyond most. It's a lot of fun.
It
keeps your mind working and agile. And I can practically guarantee that
you
will *never* sit by the pond, with the tall, cold one in your hand and
not
be able to see *something* that needs just a teensy bit of tweaking! So
many
things in this world are out of our control; however, in our little
created
world, we *have* the control. And if we don't, then we have to learn how
to
get it back. It's kinda cool GBG

Lee





"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a
bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of
plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a
balance
of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change
water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is
really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must
spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it
in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

How cruel can you people get? For God's sake! Will you stop talking about
Clay in this sensual manner while BV is around! Jeez, the poor guy already
has Clay Dreams!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Nedra" wrote in message
thlink.net...
I just mix about 3 heaping tablespoons full in a plastic 2 cup glass..
fill with water from veggie filter.... then spread it all
about the pond. They know the minute it hits the water...
must have a softer feel??? just kiddn...Anyway, they
do love the stuff. Turns the water a charcoal color for a couple
of minutes... then fades into the pond. I haven't tried it in the
food yet.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
I just got my koi clay.

IT has several ways to use IT. ( make into clay ball,toss into pond, mix
with feed)
which are your best was to use IT?


"Nedra" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Bonnie .... You don't use Koi Clay? Gasp!!!!
Your fish will Love you even more if you add it to their
environment.

Nedra,
You are mean! How dare you use the word "CLAY" in same conversation
involving BV! "-)
"Just Me Koi...the aspiring clown from Cucamonga"

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Nedra" wrote in message
snipI do the maintenance dosages of Koi
Clay ... the fish love - snip
Nedra

And that darn clay! BTW why can't I feed my Koi catfish food? :-)

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
Aww come on...let me be in denile for at least a little while...now...back
to those rocks...they're just not quite right...

BV.


"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Ahhh, BV: the way to achieve your dream is with MINIMAL stocking levels
and
lots of plants. Then you will be able to sit by the side with a tall,
cool
one in your hand and survey your domain.

Or, you could get stupid, like me: I like the fishies. I like them toooo
much. I have taken to avoiding the sales areas as much as possible when
forced into a store, just so one doesn't jump to the side of the pond,
splash me with a tail, and scream TAKE ME HOME!!!! Being your basic
impulse
buyer, I've done that a lot. And back when I began this hobby, no one
mentioned that if you don't kill them from ignorance or negligence, they
grow. And BREED!! And now I have too many: *way* too many. Now what?

Well, "now what?" entails learning more about fish than you ever dreamed
existed; it means chasing numbers; it means keeping a constant watchful
eye
on your domain, testing for this and that to ensure that nothing goes
the
"slightest" bit out of whack, or if it does, you know immediately and
can
take appropriate action. The plants come out, because they could become
disease vectors. Added filtration goes in to take up what the plants
aren't
doing. Even if you leave the plants in, you may notice that they're not
as
nice or healthy looking as someone else's. You begin to pout and say, "I
want that, TOO!" Then out comes the fertilizers and the potash, and the
"this and that" until you achieve the lush greens and bright flowers
you're
looking for.

BV, Dahling - I don't know if it IS possible to ignore and enjoy: Half
the
fun - shoot, maybe MORE than half the fun - is in the learning process.
It's
a creation made in the image of your mind's eye: your own little piece
of
the world, something that would not exist if you had not created it. And
you're reponsible for it. The planning, the implementation; the mistakes
and
corrections; the life forms - their nurturing and well-being: sorry,
Dude.
You signed on for a learning experience beyond most. It's a lot of fun.
It
keeps your mind working and agile. And I can practically guarantee that
you
will *never* sit by the pond, with the tall, cold one in your hand and
not
be able to see *something* that needs just a teensy bit of tweaking! So
many
things in this world are out of our control; however, in our little
created
world, we *have* the control. And if we don't, then we have to learn how
to
get it back. It's kinda cool GBG

Lee





"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a
bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of
plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a
balance
of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change
water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is
really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must
spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it
in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

How cruel can you people get? For God's sake! Will you stop talking about
Clay in this sensual manner while BV is around! Jeez, the poor guy already
has Clay Dreams!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Nedra" wrote in message
thlink.net...
I just mix about 3 heaping tablespoons full in a plastic 2 cup glass..
fill with water from veggie filter.... then spread it all
about the pond. They know the minute it hits the water...
must have a softer feel??? just kiddn...Anyway, they
do love the stuff. Turns the water a charcoal color for a couple
of minutes... then fades into the pond. I haven't tried it in the
food yet.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
I just got my koi clay.

IT has several ways to use IT. ( make into clay ball,toss into pond, mix
with feed)
which are your best was to use IT?


"Nedra" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Bonnie .... You don't use Koi Clay? Gasp!!!!
Your fish will Love you even more if you add it to their
environment.

Is that 16 million gallons or did you misplace some zeros?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
.. .
I don't touch my rec pond and it survives. Though I have roughly
16,000,000+
gallons of water so changes occur REALLY slow. Depending on how much water
you have vs. waste dictates what you have to do to a pond to keep it how
you
like.


"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a
bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a balance
of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change
water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

Just me, Have you seen the Lake he calls a pond?
Of course it's 16M... No wonder he doesn't mess with
it!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
Is that 16 million gallons or did you misplace some zeros?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
.. .
I don't touch my rec pond and it survives. Though I have roughly
16,000,000+
gallons of water so changes occur REALLY slow. Depending on how much
water
you have vs. waste dictates what you have to do to a pond to keep it how
you
like.


"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a
bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of
plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a
balance
of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change
water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is
really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must
spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it
in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

Nedra wrote:
Bonnie .... You don't use Koi Clay? Gasp!!!!
Your fish will Love you even more if you add it to their
environment. And what about BZT? I know you
add these things ... just never counted it as maintenance?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

I guess I don't consider that maintenance either, it's
just part of what I do ;-), which is maintenance huh.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

*muffin* wrote:
I just got my koi clay.

IT has several ways to use IT. ( make into clay ball,toss into pond, mix
with feed)
which are your best was to use IT?


"Nedra" wrote in message
rthlink.net...

Bonnie .... You don't use Koi Clay? Gasp!!!!
Your fish will Love you even more if you add it to their
environment.




I just sprinkle it on the waters surface.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
How cruel can you people get? For God's sake! Will you stop talking
about
Clay in this sensual manner while BV is around! Jeez, the poor guy
already
has Clay Dreams!
snip

Hi my name is BV...and I USED TO HAVE clay. Yessirree bob...I am
cured...water was Gin Clear to the bottom drain this morning. Course now, I
have to get down there and put my diffuser on. Where's my mask?

BV.

I also don't have to do anything to my pond but go count fish and frogs for
fun. I never test water. I have added something to clear the water when
(after a very rainy spring) things got cloudy, but that was just a capful of
this or that and that was so I could see my fish better. So far, everything
is going well. This all may have to do with the fact that I just have some
goldfish and no koi. Maybe koi require more fuss.


--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed




"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a balance of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

So, how many fish are too many? I have 5 golds in the bottom pond.
Supposedly have 3 in the top. Rarely see them cuz of the plant life up
there, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure how many gallons my pond is. It's a
prefab, so I'm thinking 300? Don't know. Maybe someone will recognize the
pond I have by going to my photo site (link below).

btw: I do take my fish in in the winter. I prolly won't get more because of
that, so I'm just curious right now.
--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Ahhh, BV: the way to achieve your dream is with MINIMAL stocking levels
and
lots of plants. Then you will be able to sit by the side with a tall, cool
one in your hand and survey your domain.

Or, you could get stupid, like me: I like the fishies. I like them toooo
much. I have taken to avoiding the sales areas as much as possible when
forced into a store, just so one doesn't jump to the side of the pond,
splash me with a tail, and scream TAKE ME HOME!!!! Being your basic
impulse
buyer, I've done that a lot. And back when I began this hobby, no one
mentioned that if you don't kill them from ignorance or negligence, they
grow. And BREED!! And now I have too many: *way* too many. Now what?

Well, "now what?" entails learning more about fish than you ever dreamed
existed; it means chasing numbers; it means keeping a constant watchful
eye
on your domain, testing for this and that to ensure that nothing goes the
"slightest" bit out of whack, or if it does, you know immediately and can
take appropriate action. The plants come out, because they could become
disease vectors. Added filtration goes in to take up what the plants
aren't
doing. Even if you leave the plants in, you may notice that they're not as
nice or healthy looking as someone else's. You begin to pout and say, "I
want that, TOO!" Then out comes the fertilizers and the potash, and the
"this and that" until you achieve the lush greens and bright flowers
you're
looking for.

BV, Dahling - I don't know if it IS possible to ignore and enjoy: Half the
fun - shoot, maybe MORE than half the fun - is in the learning process.
It's
a creation made in the image of your mind's eye: your own little piece of
the world, something that would not exist if you had not created it. And
you're reponsible for it. The planning, the implementation; the mistakes
and
corrections; the life forms - their nurturing and well-being: sorry, Dude.
You signed on for a learning experience beyond most. It's a lot of fun. It
keeps your mind working and agile. And I can practically guarantee that
you
will *never* sit by the pond, with the tall, cold one in your hand and not
be able to see *something* that needs just a teensy bit of tweaking! So
many
things in this world are out of our control; however, in our little
created
world, we *have* the control. And if we don't, then we have to learn how
to
get it back. It's kinda cool GBG

Lee





"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
When I went at my pond design, I purposely included concepts like a
bottom
drain and a shallow VF to reduce my maintenance. I have A LOT of plants,
and
do not intend to feed my fish, in the hopes that I can strike a balance
of
plants and animals. So far, my first season, things are going well.

I often read in this group of people adding potash, salt, baking soda,
fertilizer tabs, etc. They test the water every 10 minutes, change
water,
do
this, do that.

I realize this is not a pass/fail, yes/no answer but how much is really
necessary? I think if my pond ever gets to the point where I must spend
time
every day maintaining it, and not just sitting by it...I may fill it in.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond

That's not fair BV! Only thing I had on you was your clay pond! Without it
I have nothing...nothing I say!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...
"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
How cruel can you people get? For God's sake! Will you stop talking
about
Clay in this sensual manner while BV is around! Jeez, the poor guy
already
has Clay Dreams!
snip

Hi my name is BV...and I USED TO HAVE clay. Yessirree bob...I am
cured...water was Gin Clear to the bottom drain this morning. Course now,
I
have to get down there and put my diffuser on. Where's my mask?

BV.

Does anyone have a link to Lake Hopkins?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
That's not fair BV! Only thing I had on you was your clay pond! Without
it
I have nothing...nothing I say!
snip

Well you got your wish. We got about 3 inches of rain last night. That was
nice, the gardens needed it, and it did the top off for me. But it took some
more mud in. I have an edge that needs work, and it let some mud in. So the
water is not gin clear anymore, more hazy. So there, you happy now? *laugh*

BV.