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Too cold for bubblers?
I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are
below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:01:23 -0500, "Nicole Thompson"
wrote: I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? If the pond is frozen solid then you may as well turn the bubbler off as it is doing no good. The goldfish is also dead. It seems to me that an 18-inch deep above ground pond is going to freeze in any normal winter without a heater. So, heat it, bring your fish inside or buy new fish every year. JMHO John |
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Too cold for bubblers?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:01:23 -0500, "Nicole Thompson"
wrote: I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? If the pond is frozen solid then you may as well turn the bubbler off as it is doing no good. The goldfish is also dead. It seems to me that an 18-inch deep above ground pond is going to freeze in any normal winter without a heater. So, heat it, bring your fish inside or buy new fish every year. JMHO John |
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Too cold for bubblers?
I live here too, and I run a pump 24 7 and it keeps a hole in the top of the
pond. The birds were drinking out of it yesterday. Rich "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
"Nicole Thompson" wrote:
So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Take a watering can full of hot tap water, and see if you can open up a hole for the bubbler. In cold years (Chicago) I've had to do it on a daily (or twice a day) basis. Failing that, I ended up with a stock tank heater, but with hot water, you can do something now. If you can keep water open, your pond will be most popular with the local wildlife, a very good thing. You might have one or two survivors next spring, don't give up hope. |
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Too cold for bubblers?
"Nicole Thompson" wrote:
So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Take a watering can full of hot tap water, and see if you can open up a hole for the bubbler. In cold years (Chicago) I've had to do it on a daily (or twice a day) basis. Failing that, I ended up with a stock tank heater, but with hot water, you can do something now. If you can keep water open, your pond will be most popular with the local wildlife, a very good thing. You might have one or two survivors next spring, don't give up hope. |
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Too cold for bubblers?
"Nicole Thompson" wrote:
So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Take a watering can full of hot tap water, and see if you can open up a hole for the bubbler. In cold years (Chicago) I've had to do it on a daily (or twice a day) basis. Failing that, I ended up with a stock tank heater, but with hot water, you can do something now. If you can keep water open, your pond will be most popular with the local wildlife, a very good thing. You might have one or two survivors next spring, don't give up hope. |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Hi Nicole - your airstones shouldn't be more than 2-3" deep in your pond, so
you get a fizzing effect on the surface (makes it harder for water to freeze) - saying that, I still check mine daily as when it is really cold (0 to 20 F) mine still makes a small "ice dome" over the open hole which I break up by tapping on it with a broom handle (it's very thin if you check it daily or you can use hot water - DO NOT pound on the ice - you will shock or kill your fish - use a cordless drill with a spade bit instead if the ice is too thick Gale :~) "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Really? The holes are completely frozen over in mine. And believe me, the
bubbler stones I bought are big and created a big area that wasn't frozen for a long time....wonder what the difference is? Nicole "Rich" wrote in message ... I live here too, and I run a pump 24 7 and it keeps a hole in the top of the pond. The birds were drinking out of it yesterday. Rich "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Well, I'm not writing off my fish just yet - as I said the one that was in
there survived last winter unassisted and the temps were just as cold here and I'm certain the entire pond was frozen - almost *had* to be.....and somehow it survived.....keeping fingers crossed - and **seriously** considering a heater Nicole "John Bachman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:01:23 -0500, "Nicole Thompson" wrote: I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? If the pond is frozen solid then you may as well turn the bubbler off as it is doing no good. The goldfish is also dead. It seems to me that an 18-inch deep above ground pond is going to freeze in any normal winter without a heater. So, heat it, bring your fish inside or buy new fish every year. JMHO John |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lightbulb
I tied my bubbler stones to bricks on the *bottom*.......that must be the difference....... How do you keep them that shallow? Nicole "Gale Pearce" wrote in message ... Hi Nicole - your airstones shouldn't be more than 2-3" deep in your pond, so you get a fizzing effect on the surface (makes it harder for water to freeze) - saying that, I still check mine daily as when it is really cold (0 to 20 F) mine still makes a small "ice dome" over the open hole which I break up by tapping on it with a broom handle (it's very thin if you check it daily or you can use hot water - DO NOT pound on the ice - you will shock or kill your fish - use a cordless drill with a spade bit instead if the ice is too thick Gale :~) "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Really? The holes are completely frozen over in mine. And believe me, the
bubbler stones I bought are big and created a big area that wasn't frozen for a long time....wonder what the difference is? Nicole "Rich" wrote in message ... I live here too, and I run a pump 24 7 and it keeps a hole in the top of the pond. The birds were drinking out of it yesterday. Rich "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Well, I'm not writing off my fish just yet - as I said the one that was in
there survived last winter unassisted and the temps were just as cold here and I'm certain the entire pond was frozen - almost *had* to be.....and somehow it survived.....keeping fingers crossed - and **seriously** considering a heater Nicole "John Bachman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:01:23 -0500, "Nicole Thompson" wrote: I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? If the pond is frozen solid then you may as well turn the bubbler off as it is doing no good. The goldfish is also dead. It seems to me that an 18-inch deep above ground pond is going to freeze in any normal winter without a heater. So, heat it, bring your fish inside or buy new fish every year. JMHO John |
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Too cold for bubblers?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lightbulb
I tied my bubbler stones to bricks on the *bottom*.......that must be the difference....... How do you keep them that shallow? Nicole "Gale Pearce" wrote in message ... Hi Nicole - your airstones shouldn't be more than 2-3" deep in your pond, so you get a fizzing effect on the surface (makes it harder for water to freeze) - saying that, I still check mine daily as when it is really cold (0 to 20 F) mine still makes a small "ice dome" over the open hole which I break up by tapping on it with a broom handle (it's very thin if you check it daily or you can use hot water - DO NOT pound on the ice - you will shock or kill your fish - use a cordless drill with a spade bit instead if the ice is too thick Gale :~) "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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Too cold for bubblers?
I have a steel pipe that lays across my pond and my airline is taped along
it to ~ half way across pond (~3-4') , then drops into pond so airstone is ~3" below surface (the airline has a slight, constant downhill slope so moisture won't collect in the airline during thawing periods and then freeze when it gets colder again (had that happen) Gale :~) "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lightbulb I tied my bubbler stones to bricks on the *bottom*.......that must be the difference....... How do you keep them that shallow? Nicole "Gale Pearce" wrote in message ... Hi Nicole - your airstones shouldn't be more than 2-3" deep in your pond, so you get a fizzing effect on the surface (makes it harder for water to freeze) - saying that, I still check mine daily as when it is really cold (0 to 20 F) mine still makes a small "ice dome" over the open hole which I break up by tapping on it with a broom handle (it's very thin if you check it daily or you can use hot water - DO NOT pound on the ice - you will shock or kill your fish - use a cordless drill with a spade bit instead if the ice is too thick Gale :~) "Nicole Thompson" wrote in message ... I live in Central PA - current temp - 5 degrees F - nighttime temps are below zero. My question is, I have a *raised* pond made of cinderblock (was here when we moved in) and the single goldfish that was here when we moved in survived the winter last year just fine w/out any "assistance" - the pond was already frozen when we moved in, so we were delighted when we saw him alive and well in the spring. We added some friends (I've posted here in the past about that) and for the winter, I bought bubbler stones - two long ones - which were working pretty well until this really cold snap. My concern is that the water surrounding the bubblers will freeze and burn up the pump (which is a cheap small one, but works well) - and my worst fear is it'll catch on fire or something - since I have the pump inside the house (figuring the warm house air going into the bubblers wouldn't be a bad thing). So, my question is, should I unplug it altogether until warmer weather or just let it keep going? The pond looks frozen solid and the pump doesn't *sound* much louder than it did......but I'm still concerned. I thought of adding a de-icer, but I have no idea if that would really help or not - we're talking about a 10' x 10' (roughly) water area that's 18" deep. Am I being overly-concerned about the fish since the one *did* survive w/out anything last year? Thanks, Nicole |
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