I made no link whatsoever. Read the threads. CC said "Thank you for
your answer. I am in Sacramento CA, not CAnada, sorry (but my wife is
from Vancouver BC).", not me. I know where ONT is as the pattern
usually flies over my house. For that matter, I know where Cable and
Chino are. Cable being the one that lost an airplane over your town
recently.

So, no, you didn't lie. So no need to apologize. CC was confused by
ONT and the northern place!

BTW, I visited your link. Nice pond set up you have!! Everything
"flows" nicely to the eye!

Just Me "Koi" wrote:

How are you making the link between Rancho Cucamonga and Canada? Did I goof
and tell a lie somewhere?

If my Ontario Airport confused the issue, then my apologies. The Ontario
Airport I referenced is in California, east of Los Angeles.

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"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


When did Rancho Cucamonga move to Canada?? I sure am going to miss all
you folks over there! Maybe we can repopulate all the vineyards in the
vacated area?!?

Just Me "Koi" wrote:



When you stir up the murk at the bottom of an old pond, you release some
deadly gas that is deadly enough to kill your fish!

Then as they are struggling from the gas, you throw in un-conditioned tap
water with chloramines and no fish that I know of will survive that 1-2
knockout punch.

Of course I say this as if I know it to be so for sure! Far from it,


since


I've never been a Koi before, I can only repeat what I've been told in


the


past!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"CC" wrote in message
...




Thank you for your answer. I am in Sacramento CA, not CAnada, sorry (but




my




wife is from Vancouver BC). I too have too many plants, mostly water




lilies,




but thank you for the offer. If I lived there I would have enjoyed


meeting


you.
I was not aware that I had too many Koi. 25+ (the ones that died) did


seem


too many to me, but they were very happy even in the murky water. Also,




they




all died overnight (some died after discovering the disaster, I agonized
alongside with them), and they died of whatever went on in the pond due


to


the hose left in and the filter not functioning.

Now I have 12 + a goldfish, the lone survivor, but they are small, very
small with only 2 approaching the size of the previous fish.
Also I am used to the metric system and volume calculations have never




been




my forte. The pond is L shaped, 12ftx3ft and 3ft deep more or less. the
conversion from ft to gal. escapes me completely, so my pond could be
larger, or smaller for that matter, somebody eyeballed it for me but I


do


not trust their judgment much more than I trust mine.

I realize that aquariums stores give terrible advice, which is why I


came


here. I have been reading all the past posts and they have been very
helpful.

As why they died, my wife insists that they must have suffocated due to




the




water hose stirring up the silt off the bottom and severely clouding the
water. It could have been, they all died as if trying to escape the


pond.


I'll keep on reading, and I thank you for your response.

CC





"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...




The responses below answers your questions. For the size of your pond




you




do have too many Koi.



From the rule of thumb bounced around here, assuming 1200 gallons you




should




have 3 Koi. Unless you really watch all your parameters like a hawk!

Where in California are you. I am in Rancho Cucamonga (By Ontario




Airport




in case you need a hand and free plants! I have way too many plants,




and




don't have the heart to throw them away)

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"CC" wrote in message
...




Hi, a couple of months ago I moved in a new house with a pond.

I was thrilled, but I soon discovered that the pond was left abandoned




for




months. I knew nothing of ponds, but quickly I grew attached and




fascinated




by my Kois. I spent many days by the pond feeding the kois and




enjoying




them.

One day, we were trying to get the dead leaves out, and toward the end




of




the day a garden hose fell in the pond. I did not noticed.

The day after, I found 28 dead kois (7" to 12") splashed around the
overfilled pond and one lone small goldfish alive inside.

The hose was spraying full force and the pond was crystal clear.

I was devastated! I cried like a baby. These kois had become my best




friends




and my morning ritual. To this day I can't go by the pond without




feeling




a




knot in my stomach.

Being new at ponds and not knowing any better, we (my wife and I) went




out




and bought 12 baby kois (we had the water tested beforehand) and




repopulated




the pond.

I have 2 questions: 1) What did the kois died of? One thing I feel I




must




add is that the filter was clogged when I found them)

2) my wife is obsessed with the pond being clear, I would rather have




the




pond dirty and happy, live Kois. She is going ahead with emptying the




pond




and clean the muck from the bottom. We have a Pump wet-dry vac and all




the




chemicals plus the testing strips. How would you do it? The pond is




900/1200




gallons, 3-4 ft deep and L shaped. We have now 3 bio-filtered pumps.

I am telling my wife to leave it alone and let the chemicals and pumps




do




their work, but she won't listen and has acquired enough opinions from




pond




shops to uphold her way of doing things.

I, don't want to lose one single Koi, or I'll be heartbroken again.

Ideas?

Thank you very much

Pond in California

chlorine in your city water. if you are using city water, it has enough chlorine to
kill your fish. how much is in your water varies day by day.
organics inactivate the chlorine, so adding a little at a time(PO) the organics were
removing the chlorine, but once the organics were gone, the chlorine killed the fish.

it is a myth in that water that is like a sewer will stunt the growth of fish, but
then they are unhealthy fish too and the first disease comes around they die.
Ingrid



(CC) wrote:
The chlorine
level (my first suspicion) was fine, our water is very low in chlorine
the previous owners had a hose refilling the pond
every night with the irrigation system. That had gone on for months
without harming the fish.
One other note: I seem to remember that Goldfish, or Carps in general,
grow in relation to their habitat. Is this a myth?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

and do NOT EVER use chlorinated water on tadpoles!





On Mon, 10 May 2004 13:39:38 GMT, wrote:

chlorine in your city water. if you are using city water, it has
enough chlorine to
kill your fish. how much is in your water varies day by day.
organics inactivate the chlorine, so adding a little at a time(PO)
the organics were
removing the chlorine, but once the organics were gone, the chlorine
killed the fish.

it is a myth in that water that is like a sewer will stunt the growth
of fish, but
then they are unhealthy fish too and the first disease comes around
they die.
Ingrid



(CC) wrote:
The chlorine
level (my first suspicion) was fine, our water is very low in
chlorine
the previous owners had a hose refilling the pond
every night with the irrigation system. That had gone on for months
without harming the fish.
One other note: I seem to remember that Goldfish, or Carps in
general,
grow in relation to their habitat. Is this a myth?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Thanks. May I be bold enough to suspect that you live in Chino/Chino Hills?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...
I made no link whatsoever. Read the threads. CC said "Thank you for
your answer. I am in Sacramento CA, not CAnada, sorry (but my wife is
from Vancouver BC).", not me. I know where ONT is as the pattern
usually flies over my house. For that matter, I know where Cable and
Chino are. Cable being the one that lost an airplane over your town
recently.

So, no, you didn't lie. So no need to apologize. CC was confused by
ONT and the northern place!

BTW, I visited your link. Nice pond set up you have!! Everything
"flows" nicely to the eye!

Just Me "Koi" wrote:

How are you making the link between Rancho Cucamonga and Canada? Did I
goof
and tell a lie somewhere?

If my Ontario Airport confused the issue, then my apologies. The Ontario
Airport I referenced is in California, east of Los Angeles.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


When did Rancho Cucamonga move to Canada?? I sure am going to miss all
you folks over there! Maybe we can repopulate all the vineyards in the
vacated area?!?

Just Me "Koi" wrote:



When you stir up the murk at the bottom of an old pond, you release
some
deadly gas that is deadly enough to kill your fish!

Then as they are struggling from the gas, you throw in un-conditioned
tap
water with chloramines and no fish that I know of will survive that 1-2
knockout punch.

Of course I say this as if I know it to be so for sure! Far from it,


since


I've never been a Koi before, I can only repeat what I've been told in


the


past!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"CC" wrote in message
...




Thank you for your answer. I am in Sacramento CA, not CAnada, sorry
(but




my




wife is from Vancouver BC). I too have too many plants, mostly water




lilies,




but thank you for the offer. If I lived there I would have enjoyed


meeting


you.
I was not aware that I had too many Koi. 25+ (the ones that died) did


seem


too many to me, but they were very happy even in the murky water.
Also,




they




all died overnight (some died after discovering the disaster, I
agonized
alongside with them), and they died of whatever went on in the pond
due


to


the hose left in and the filter not functioning.

Now I have 12 + a goldfish, the lone survivor, but they are small,
very
small with only 2 approaching the size of the previous fish.
Also I am used to the metric system and volume calculations have never




been




my forte. The pond is L shaped, 12ftx3ft and 3ft deep more or less.
the
conversion from ft to gal. escapes me completely, so my pond could be
larger, or smaller for that matter, somebody eyeballed it for me but I


do


not trust their judgment much more than I trust mine.

I realize that aquariums stores give terrible advice, which is why I


came


here. I have been reading all the past posts and they have been very
helpful.

As why they died, my wife insists that they must have suffocated due
to




the




water hose stirring up the silt off the bottom and severely clouding
the
water. It could have been, they all died as if trying to escape the


pond.


I'll keep on reading, and I thank you for your response.

CC





"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...




The responses below answers your questions. For the size of your
pond




you




do have too many Koi.



From the rule of thumb bounced around here, assuming 1200 gallons you




should




have 3 Koi. Unless you really watch all your parameters like a hawk!

Where in California are you. I am in Rancho Cucamonga (By Ontario




Airport




in case you need a hand and free plants! I have way too many plants,




and




don't have the heart to throw them away)

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"CC" wrote in message
...




Hi, a couple of months ago I moved in a new house with a pond.

I was thrilled, but I soon discovered that the pond was left
abandoned




for




months. I knew nothing of ponds, but quickly I grew attached and




fascinated




by my Kois. I spent many days by the pond feeding the kois and




enjoying




them.

One day, we were trying to get the dead leaves out, and toward the
end




of




the day a garden hose fell in the pond. I did not noticed.

The day after, I found 28 dead kois (7" to 12") splashed around the
overfilled pond and one lone small goldfish alive inside.

The hose was spraying full force and the pond was crystal clear.

I was devastated! I cried like a baby. These kois had become my best




friends




and my morning ritual. To this day I can't go by the pond without




feeling




a




knot in my stomach.

Being new at ponds and not knowing any better, we (my wife and I)
went




out




and bought 12 baby kois (we had the water tested beforehand) and




repopulated




the pond.

I have 2 questions: 1) What did the kois died of? One thing I feel I




must




add is that the filter was clogged when I found them)

2) my wife is obsessed with the pond being clear, I would rather
have




the




pond dirty and happy, live Kois. She is going ahead with emptying
the




pond




and clean the muck from the bottom. We have a Pump wet-dry vac and
all




the




chemicals plus the testing strips. How would you do it? The pond is




900/1200




gallons, 3-4 ft deep and L shaped. We have now 3 bio-filtered pumps.

I am telling my wife to leave it alone and let the chemicals and
pumps




do




their work, but she won't listen and has acquired enough opinions
from




pond




shops to uphold her way of doing things.

I, don't want to lose one single Koi, or I'll be heartbroken again.

Ideas?

Thank you very much

Pond in California

Nope, you went too far! Pomona. Nestled next to Claremont and
Montclair. A quiet little neighborhood that doesn't conjure up the
images that most folks would associate with the name "Pomona." Although
I guess the local government is trying to turn that around with a
"Pomona's Most Beautiful Home" contest. I like to call my area
"Claremont Heights!" If the folks on the west side of Pomona can call
their area "Phillips Ranch", then I figure I can call my area what I
want. It's still Pomona, right??!? I'm not to thrilled with the public
schools, but I call my little plot of land "home."

I've had to put the pond portion of my backyard project on hold for
the moment as the excavation part of my side yard is complete. Time for
some Class II fill and some cobblestone pavers. Then back to fill dirt
for the pond area. Also, I'm thinking of some facades for that ugly
block wall that is the back portion of my pond. Maybe a bait shack
complete with a stub out pier to give some shade over the water??
Complete with manila rope? Uh-oh, the gears are turning!! The look
will fit with the water wheel / grist mill / pump house. Pics to date
of the progress. From beginning. http://www.bunchobikes.com/pond.htm
Looks like time for more pics!! I have more cement work in the morning.

I gotta tell ya! I wish I had the yard area you have!

Just Me "Koi" wrote:

Thanks. May I be bold enough to suspect that you live in Chino/Chino Hills?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


snip

You've made great progress!

I live in Alta Loma by the street that has the annual Xmas lights!

Big yard has it's blessing, and it's curse! By the time you finish one end,
the other end is already in need of attention! It never ends!

I am currently doing a project at the Claremont Colleges. Sontag Hall for
Harvey Mudd!

Later!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...
Nope, you went too far! Pomona. Nestled next to Claremont and
Montclair. A quiet little neighborhood that doesn't conjure up the
images that most folks would associate with the name "Pomona." Although
I guess the local government is trying to turn that around with a
"Pomona's Most Beautiful Home" contest. I like to call my area
"Claremont Heights!" If the folks on the west side of Pomona can call
their area "Phillips Ranch", then I figure I can call my area what I
want. It's still Pomona, right??!? I'm not to thrilled with the public
schools, but I call my little plot of land "home."

I've had to put the pond portion of my backyard project on hold for
the moment as the excavation part of my side yard is complete. Time for
some Class II fill and some cobblestone pavers. Then back to fill dirt
for the pond area. Also, I'm thinking of some facades for that ugly
block wall that is the back portion of my pond. Maybe a bait shack
complete with a stub out pier to give some shade over the water??
Complete with manila rope? Uh-oh, the gears are turning!! The look
will fit with the water wheel / grist mill / pump house. Pics to date
of the progress. From beginning. http://www.bunchobikes.com/pond.htm
Looks like time for more pics!! I have more cement work in the morning.

I gotta tell ya! I wish I had the yard area you have!

Just Me "Koi" wrote:

Thanks. May I be bold enough to suspect that you live in Chino/Chino
Hills?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


snip