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drats - fish problem
About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did
not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas |
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drats - fish problem
all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed
antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid "Bill" wrote: About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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drats - fish problem
Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I
still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete round of treatments for about $9. Bill wrote in message ... all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid "Bill" wrote: About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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drats - fish problem
I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I
overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is an oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but it doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was. Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or addition, and this can take too long. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Newbie Bill" wrote in message ... Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete round of treatments for about $9. Bill wrote in message ... all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid "Bill" wrote: About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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drats - fish problem
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Rich - Thanks once again for your informed, clear and concise answer. I have read that formalin will most likely knock out my biofilter. Is this also the case with PP. If so what do you do about ammonia levels untill the biofilter is restarted, other than I presume feed the fish little or nothing. Bill "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:Mjepc.3857$qA.419726@attbi_s51... I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is an oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but it doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was. Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or addition, and this can take too long. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Newbie Bill" wrote in message ... Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete round of treatments for about $9. Bill wrote in message ... all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid "Bill" wrote: About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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drats - fish problem
PP treats columnaris and most parasites. formalin doesnt treat columnaris. Ingrid
"Newbie Bill" wrote: Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete round of treatments for about $9. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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drats - fish problem
If you can, bypass the filter during treatment. Add additional aeration. I
take the piping loose from the one of my upflow gravel filters and turn it into a high spitting fountain. As soon as the color has changed to brown, it has been neutralized, and the filter can be put back on line. It will not have been off long enough for the filter to die. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... Rich - Thanks once again for your informed, clear and concise answer. I have read that formalin will most likely knock out my biofilter. Is this also the case with PP. If so what do you do about ammonia levels untill the biofilter is restarted, other than I presume feed the fish little or nothing. Bill "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:Mjepc.3857$qA.419726@attbi_s51... I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is an oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but it doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was. Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or addition, and this can take too long. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Newbie Bill" wrote in message ... Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete round of treatments for about $9. Bill wrote in message ... all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid "Bill" wrote: About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it. I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool, possibly not effectively disinfected. 1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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