It usually only takes one shock for them to learn. Make sure you put it
on the lowest setting. I had a friend who set it on high shock while
training a dog. Poor thing got hit and then wouldn't go outside for a week.

Steve and Lisa wrote:
I could never zap Monty.......he's just too sweet and lovable. )


Lisa
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

Moon wrote How do you teach a dog not to bother a pond and the things

there

in?

An electric shock Fido Fence.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

First let me declare that I am a die hard dog lover! Had German
Shepherds, great dogs! But now have 2 Boxers! Best dogs ever!

Some will say that a bad dog is a reflection of an owner that is not
training the dog with love and firm discipline! Then what do I know!

I think of my dogs as my children. I wouldn't want them to go out in life
without being trained to understand consequences. In training my dogs, I
followed a dog book titled "Family dog" by Richard A. Wolters. Pretty good
result as to obedience! Maybe it may work for you.

If my dog chooses to stick it's nose in a fido fence (I don't have a fido
electric fence by the way) , then it deserves the corrective measures that
comes with that. He/She will learn fast not to go near the fence! A very
firm disappointing voice from me usually gets my dogs attention and is
enough correction, or worse absence of play and affection as a direct
consequence of unacceptable behaviour is also effective. 20 coins in an
empty can of soda is also extremely effective if you can catch the dogs in
the deed.

Can you teach an old dog new tricks?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
I could never zap Monty.......he's just too sweet and lovable. )


Lisa
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Moon wrote How do you teach a dog not to bother a pond and the things
there
in?

An electric shock Fido Fence.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Hey Just Me.......we tried the coin thingy....but Monty found it a game (and
he's a fraidy pants) would purposely jump on the couch to hear them rattle
and run zipping around afterwards.

He does however have the typical personality of a Golden and all he needs is
a firm "NO" he freezes in place. (Hence the freeze in the pond....resulting
in not knowing how to get out......lol)

I agree if you start when they are pups (having had a Black Lab before
Monty....and hubby having had an Alsatian aka German Shepherd) with
affection and discipline...just like children......they normally do obey
their commands.

Monty not only has voice commands......but hand signals as well. He's not
been in a crate since 4 months.....can be trusted in the house alone for
long periods. When little he tried the chewing bit...but we removed the
negative gave him a positive.....now if he wants to chew he goes to his toy
corner and pulls out a toy. He, when about 7 months tried getting ...well
specifically paper towels .....off the counter when we left......how did we
handle it.....well we pretended to leave......had a pair of
binoculars.....went out back watched through the slider to see when he would
go for the paper towels.....took couple minutes guess he wanted to be sure
we were gone....and off he went.....to which I ran to the house caught him
in the act and berated him verbally......not once since has he touched
anything on the counter. I can leave STEAK thawing on it while I go to the
store.....it will still be there upon my return. (Guess he figures I'm a
crazy woman who can return at any moment and yell at him....lol)

lol sorry rambling......but you can teach them....just takes time and
patience.

Lisa
"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
First let me declare that I am a die hard dog lover! Had German
Shepherds, great dogs! But now have 2 Boxers! Best dogs ever!

Some will say that a bad dog is a reflection of an owner that is not
training the dog with love and firm discipline! Then what do I know!

I think of my dogs as my children. I wouldn't want them to go out in life
without being trained to understand consequences. In training my dogs, I
followed a dog book titled "Family dog" by Richard A. Wolters. Pretty
good
result as to obedience! Maybe it may work for you.

If my dog chooses to stick it's nose in a fido fence (I don't have a fido
electric fence by the way) , then it deserves the corrective measures that
comes with that. He/She will learn fast not to go near the fence! A very
firm disappointing voice from me usually gets my dogs attention and is
enough correction, or worse absence of play and affection as a direct
consequence of unacceptable behaviour is also effective. 20 coins in an
empty can of soda is also extremely effective if you can catch the dogs in
the deed.

Can you teach an old dog new tricks?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
I could never zap Monty.......he's just too sweet and lovable. )


Lisa
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Moon wrote How do you teach a dog not to bother a pond and the
things
there
in?

An electric shock Fido Fence.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Xref: kermit rec.ponds:147438

Hahaha THAT is such a golden thing! Our golden does the 'zipping' thing
whenever we clap our hands. She just goes wild running in circles as fast as
any dog can.
Love my goldens!
I could never use a fido fence. Fortunately, goldens are really trainable.

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
Hey Just Me.......we tried the coin thingy....but Monty found it a game
(and
he's a fraidy pants) would purposely jump on the couch to hear them rattle
and run zipping around afterwards.

He does however have the typical personality of a Golden and all he needs
is
a firm "NO" he freezes in place. (Hence the freeze in the
pond....resulting
in not knowing how to get out......lol)

I agree if you start when they are pups (having had a Black Lab before
Monty....and hubby having had an Alsatian aka German Shepherd) with
affection and discipline...just like children......they normally do obey
their commands.

Monty not only has voice commands......but hand signals as well. He's not
been in a crate since 4 months.....can be trusted in the house alone for
long periods. When little he tried the chewing bit...but we removed the
negative gave him a positive.....now if he wants to chew he goes to his
toy
corner and pulls out a toy. He, when about 7 months tried getting ...well
specifically paper towels .....off the counter when we left......how did
we
handle it.....well we pretended to leave......had a pair of
binoculars.....went out back watched through the slider to see when he
would
go for the paper towels.....took couple minutes guess he wanted to be sure
we were gone....and off he went.....to which I ran to the house caught him
in the act and berated him verbally......not once since has he touched
anything on the counter. I can leave STEAK thawing on it while I go to the
store.....it will still be there upon my return. (Guess he figures I'm a
crazy woman who can return at any moment and yell at him....lol)

lol sorry rambling......but you can teach them....just takes time and
patience.

Lisa
"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
...
First let me declare that I am a die hard dog lover! Had German
Shepherds, great dogs! But now have 2 Boxers! Best dogs ever!

Some will say that a bad dog is a reflection of an owner that is not
training the dog with love and firm discipline! Then what do I know!

I think of my dogs as my children. I wouldn't want them to go out in
life
without being trained to understand consequences. In training my dogs,
I
followed a dog book titled "Family dog" by Richard A. Wolters. Pretty
good
result as to obedience! Maybe it may work for you.

If my dog chooses to stick it's nose in a fido fence (I don't have a
fido
electric fence by the way) , then it deserves the corrective measures
that
comes with that. He/She will learn fast not to go near the fence! A
very
firm disappointing voice from me usually gets my dogs attention and is
enough correction, or worse absence of play and affection as a direct
consequence of unacceptable behaviour is also effective. 20 coins in an
empty can of soda is also extremely effective if you can catch the dogs
in
the deed.

Can you teach an old dog new tricks?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
I could never zap Monty.......he's just too sweet and lovable. )


Lisa
"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Moon wrote How do you teach a dog not to bother a pond and the
things
there
in?

An electric shock Fido Fence.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

From the original poster's problems this dog
had done A LOT of damage.
A Fido Fence may be the only thing that would allow him to keep the dog.
It is a reasonable alternative for many ponders.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Xref: kermit rec.ponds:147453

I'll tell you this Lisa,
Fido fence or no fido fence, me, and my dogs if you leave a steak on the
countertop we are eating it, damn the consequence! :-) lol

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
snip. I can leave STEAK thawing on it while I go to the
store.....it will still be there upon my return. (Guess he figures I'm a
crazy woman who can return at any moment and yell at him....lol)
snip

And Thanks to you, Lisa! I'm pretty much convinced that
age is what makes the pond. Mine's 9 years old this summer.
Just my opinion ... ;-)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
Thank you Nedra!

I love your pond btw.....one day I hope to have something as pleasing to
the
eye as your pond!

Lisa
"Nedra" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Lisa,
I really enjoyed my visit with you guys, especially
Monty, friends and all! What a Happy family ...
Pretty kitty cat ... and the pond... Oh Yes! The Pond!!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

Oh how cute! I added his photo to my collection of .jpgs of fish problems -
something to bring a smile to my face when I'm looking to ID a parasite
(that was meant as a compliment, BTW! I often need something to break the
tension) THIS one I would welcome GBG. He looks so *completely*
comfortable! I have Westies - my female must have been a Mother Superior in
a former life - she can't stand for anyone to have any fun if she's not
involved . . . it's all I can do to keep her out of the pond at feeding
time!

Lee

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
) Thank you.....we kinda think he is too....and as sweet as they come.
Typical Golden.

Lisa
"jammer" wrote in message
news








On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:26:51 GMT, "Steve and Lisa"
wrote:

http://www.britsintheus.com/marriedn...aypool.jpg.JPG


Precious!

If you met him in person, you'd fall in love with him..or he'd drive you
crazy with his tennis ball....Monty is so adorable...and btw he thinks in
his doggy mind he is the size of one of your Westies. (Doesn't realize he's
105lbs)

Love Westies ...would have had one of those had we not gotten Monty. (Still
trying to convince hubby that Monty needs a friend.....lol)

Lisa
"Lee B." wrote in message
...
Oh how cute! I added his photo to my collection of .jpgs of fish
problems -
something to bring a smile to my face when I'm looking to ID a parasite
(that was meant as a compliment, BTW! I often need something to break the
tension) THIS one I would welcome GBG. He looks so *completely*
comfortable! I have Westies - my female must have been a Mother Superior
in
a former life - she can't stand for anyone to have any fun if she's not
involved . . . it's all I can do to keep her out of the pond at feeding
time!

Lee

"Steve and Lisa" wrote in message
...
) Thank you.....we kinda think he is too....and as sweet as they come.
Typical Golden.

Lisa
"jammer" wrote in message
news








On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:26:51 GMT, "Steve and Lisa"
wrote:

http://www.britsintheus.com/marriedn...aypool.jpg.JPG


Precious!

big dogs and little dogs dont mix well at all, especially not a Westie or other super
small fine boned dogs. it is a lot like having plecos in tanks with GF, everyone
knows somebody done it with no problem but sooner or later there are going to be
problems if not death. big dogs are big and clunky and their play style is big and
bone crunching. Ingrid


"Steve and Lisa" wrote:
(Doesn't realize he's
105lbs)
Love Westies ...would have had one of those had we not gotten Monty. (Still
trying to convince hubby that Monty needs a friend.....lol)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Well I suppose we could just adopt another Golden then.....which is ok with
me as they are such sweethearts. Wish we'd gotten his little sister when we
chose him, but were not sure how well we'd do as adoptive Golden
parents....seems we've done quite well....or just gotten very lucky.

Lisa
wrote in message
...
big dogs and little dogs dont mix well at all, especially not a Westie or
other super
small fine boned dogs. it is a lot like having plecos in tanks with GF,
everyone
knows somebody done it with no problem but sooner or later there are going
to be
problems if not death. big dogs are big and clunky and their play style
is big and
bone crunching. Ingrid


"Steve and Lisa" wrote:
(Doesn't realize he's
105lbs)
Love Westies ...would have had one of those had we not gotten Monty.
(Still
trying to convince hubby that Monty needs a friend.....lol)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

excellent. suggest you contact a Golden rescue cause then you get exactly size and
personality. Ingrid

"Steve and Lisa" wrote:

Well I suppose we could just adopt another Golden then.....which is ok with
me as they are such sweethearts. Wish we'd gotten his little sister when we
chose him, but were not sure how well we'd do as adoptive Golden
parents....seems we've done quite well....or just gotten very lucky.

Lisa


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.