waiting for frogs. Ingrid

As for the posts about their patience... A couple of years ago the
grass field next to us flooded and four Herons spent about ten days
waiting for fish to evolve.



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"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
thought...I am not going to temp fate and discuss what has or has not
happened to my pond with respect to heron. I can't risk it.

BV.


Thanks for the reply & advice
I hear what your saying, and don't blame you on the silence
snip

Moments ago, I slipped and made the dreaded declaration in another thread. I
expect to find my pond empty when I get home today.

BV.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:16:50 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.


Well, when it happens, don't go into a complete panic for a while.

I had a heron visit about 3-4 weeks ago, thought I'd lost several
fish, but as of yesterday I was finally able to do a head count and
find that I only lost one. It -did- take until yesterday for all the
fish to come out of hiding and close enough to the surface to be
counted, though.

I put a 12" piece of 8" diameter black plastic pipe in the bottom,
plus stacked some of the large rocks so that there are hiding places
under them.

BTW, when I cut the pipe, it had very sharp edges at the cut lines, so
I used a torch and melted them to a smooth "rolled" edge. Hopefully
the fish can't hurt themselves on it.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

waiting for frogs. Ingrid

As for the posts about their patience... A couple of years ago the
grass field next to us flooded and four Herons spent about ten days
waiting for fish to evolve.



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
thought...I am not going to temp fate and discuss what has or has not
happened to my pond with respect to heron. I can't risk it.

BV.


Thanks for the reply & advice
I hear what your saying, and don't blame you on the silence
snip

Moments ago, I slipped and made the dreaded declaration in another thread. I
expect to find my pond empty when I get home today.

BV.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
thought...I am not going to temp fate and discuss what has or has not
happened to my pond with respect to heron. I can't risk it.

BV.


Thanks for the reply & advice
I hear what your saying, and don't blame you on the silence
snip

Moments ago, I slipped and made the dreaded declaration in another thread. I
expect to find my pond empty when I get home today.

BV.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:16:50 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.


Well, when it happens, don't go into a complete panic for a while.

I had a heron visit about 3-4 weeks ago, thought I'd lost several
fish, but as of yesterday I was finally able to do a head count and
find that I only lost one. It -did- take until yesterday for all the
fish to come out of hiding and close enough to the surface to be
counted, though.

I put a 12" piece of 8" diameter black plastic pipe in the bottom,
plus stacked some of the large rocks so that there are hiding places
under them.

BTW, when I cut the pipe, it had very sharp edges at the cut lines, so
I used a torch and melted them to a smooth "rolled" edge. Hopefully
the fish can't hurt themselves on it.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
From what I have been told it seems a complete net may be the only way
to
avoid the problem completely, but doesn't it spoil the whole thing? I
want
to be able to sit on my patio & look at the pond, and the image of a
nsaty
net or mesh screen seems to destroy the 'natural' thing.
I see I'm going to have to be prepared to either not have fish, lose the
ones I have from time to time or have an ugly net.
snip

I think this is totally subjective. I for one don't like the netting, and
when the day comes that I must have netting, I guess I will just stop
stocking fish. I have been working very hard to get a natural look and the
netting to me, is just out of place. I am lucky however, that with several
ponds nearby, and that mine is quite covered from the sky, I have not had
any attacks...yet.

BV.


I feel the same way about the netting, I just want the natural look also.
I've seen ponds with netting and IMO it does spoil it. It has been suggested
here (and other places) that I try using decoys of some kind (although
someone suggested a heron decoy, would that work? I don't know too much
about herons, but wouldn't the sight of my decoy say to a real heron passing
over "Hmm, wonder what he's found" ?)
I think I will just see what happens.
Thanks again.



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Rez wrote I try using decoys of some kind (although
someone suggested a heron decoy, would that work?

There was a report once of a ponder who had a heron decoy next to her pond and
found a few dead frogs and a fish laid at its 'feet'. It seems the fake heron
was being courted by a real heron.

Herons are solitary feeders for the most part and will attack another heron who
gets too close to their territory. They will leap on the back of the offending
heron and attack with those long sharp bills.
But... in areas of abundant food, such as a fish farm, the heron's feeding
territory will only be a few feet wide so you'll get lots of herons feeding.
Juveniles will tend to feed together as a group until they get older (think
teenagers at the mall).
Supposedly moving the decoy often will convince the flyover heron that there is
a real heron feeding at the pond.

I've had a heron visit my pond. Two labradors let me know of the visitor and
just coming out on the deck scared the bird away. Ponding friend jan has had
luck with a motion activated sprinkler.





kathy :-)
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"Rez" wrote in message
...
snip
I feel the same way about the netting, I just want the natural look also.
I've seen ponds with netting and IMO it does spoil it. It has been
suggested
here (and other places) that I try using decoys of some kind (although
someone suggested a heron decoy, would that work? I don't know too much
about herons, but wouldn't the sight of my decoy say to a real heron
passing
over "Hmm, wonder what he's found" ?)
I think I will just see what happens.
snip

I seem to remember one ponder lamenting how a real heron was trying to mate
with the decoy, and went as far as to catch some fish and drop them at the
feet of the decoy. Ya know the old, "I caught you dinner, now give me some
hot heron lovin" stereotype.

BV.

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Rez wrote I try using decoys of some kind (although
someone suggested a heron decoy, would that work?

There was a report once of a ponder who had a heron decoy next to her pond
and
found a few dead frogs and a fish laid at its 'feet'. It seems the fake
heron
was being courted by a real heron.

Herons are solitary feeders for the most part and will attack another
heron who
gets too close to their territory. They will leap on the back of the
offending
heron and attack with those long sharp bills.
But... in areas of abundant food, such as a fish farm, the heron's feeding
territory will only be a few feet wide so you'll get lots of herons
feeding.
Juveniles will tend to feed together as a group until they get older
(think
teenagers at the mall).
Supposedly moving the decoy often will convince the flyover heron that
there is
a real heron feeding at the pond.


Thanks for info, much appreciated. Perhaps I will give the decoy a try then.



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