Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

There is none that will remove the dirt from the bottom.
A good skimmer will remove the top leaves.
And do nothing to the bottom.
A good pump will pick off the bottom and get some of the dirt but little of
it.

A yearly cleaning dos the trick.





"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Thanks !

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:50:17 -0500, "Mickey"
wrote:

Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Thanks !

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:50:17 -0500, "Mickey"
wrote:

Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
.. .
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

If you are looking to remove a bunch of stuff that is already on the bottom,
I would recommend a shop vac. The leaves and other debris will foul any
filter, and most pumps. If your pond is too large for a shop vac, as are
mine, then you can use a vacuum similar to the one that I use which is on my
web site.

If you are looking to keep the leaves, a lot of the dirt, and other air
blown debris from going to the bottom then a skimmer is the only way to go.
A bottom drain will clean the material that does sink, but if there is big
stuff, then the pump may be damaged.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:20:12 -0400, Ed wrote:

Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Hi Ed,

Check out my website on how to go over the edge using a bottom drain &
skimmer, added after the fact. Ideally one puts these in when installing
the pond. Filter design/parts click on both *My Filter* and *Demon Pond
Filter* *Lily Pond Photos* will show how we set up the plumbing to go thru
the liner of a new pond. ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:20:12 -0400, Ed wrote:

Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Tell us more. How big is the pond you want to filter? Do you have
fish and plants?

Regards, Hal
http://members.cox.net/hrclark1/Index.html

This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Thanks Mickey. Not the one I have. I have Model 85 - - got it from AZ
Ponds.
I sure got a good deal on it but there it sits in my garage

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when
you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

The model 85 towards the bottom is the one that allows the door to be closed
and suck water from the bottom. That is the model I have.

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks Mickey. Not the one I have. I have Model 85 - - got it from AZ
Ponds.
I sure got a good deal on it but there it sits in my garage

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when
you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of filter.

Oh Hallelujah! You mean I finally bought something that has a double use??
How can I train a guy or two to install it properly?? I don't have a clue
as
to how these things are installed? Actually I did have an install promised
from the lady
who owns the LFS ... but the guy she hired refuzes (SP) to touch the
Savio!.....
same o-same-o. Any other suggestions as to how this can be instaalled?
Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mickey" wrote in message
...
The model 85 towards the bottom is the one that allows the door to be
closed
and suck water from the bottom. That is the model I have.

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks Mickey. Not the one I have. I have Model 85 - - got it from AZ
Ponds.
I sure got a good deal on it but there it sits in my garage

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and when
you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt
and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of
filter.

I don't have the Savio, but have installed skimmers with similar features
both before and after the pond was installed. It is not hard. As a retro
fit, it is easiest to drain the pond to the level of the bottom of the
skimmer, but can be done by inserting a piece of plywood between the liner
and the pond wall before digging the hole for the skimmer. Dig a hole that
is the correct depth to put the skimmer door opening at the correct height.
I like mine to be just below the top of the door opening at pond overflow
height so that the pond can be drained down the 5 or 6 or 8 inches to the
bottom of the door without the skimmer going dry. Insert the skimmer in the
hole and backfill from behind to push the skimmer forward into the liner.
If you used the plywood, remove it now, and the liner will lay against the
skimmer. Be sure the water level is low enough to have the door completely
above water level. Cut the liner to match the skimmer opening and install
the weir and face plate, all with silicone caulk between liner and skimmer,
liner and weir, liner or weir and face plate. Mine has screws to hold the
face plate on, and these would then be installed. Refill pond. If it has a
bottom drain fitting, as I put in mine, a bulkhead fitting ties the liner to
the front of the skimmer box. Use silicone on this connection also, if you
drain the pond to that level. I have cut the liner for the bulkhead fitting
with the pond full and though I am sure there was some leakage, it was
minor.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Oh Hallelujah! You mean I finally bought something that has a double
use??
How can I train a guy or two to install it properly?? I don't have a clue
as
to how these things are installed? Actually I did have an install promised
from the lady
who owns the LFS ... but the guy she hired refuzes (SP) to touch the
Savio!.....
same o-same-o. Any other suggestions as to how this can be instaalled?
Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mickey" wrote in message
...
The model 85 towards the bottom is the one that allows the door to be
closed
and suck water from the bottom. That is the model I have.

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks Mickey. Not the one I have. I have Model 85 - - got it from
AZ
Ponds.
I sure got a good deal on it but there it sits in my garage

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and
when
you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from
the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves, dirt
and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of
filter.

Thanks a million for your installation instructions, Rich. I Know
I'll be able to find a couple of pond guys to install it now ;-)

Nedra

"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:8sANc.168908$a24.34238@attbi_s03...
I don't have the Savio, but have installed skimmers with similar features
both before and after the pond was installed. It is not hard. As a retro
fit, it is easiest to drain the pond to the level of the bottom of the
skimmer, but can be done by inserting a piece of plywood between the liner
and the pond wall before digging the hole for the skimmer. Dig a hole
that
is the correct depth to put the skimmer door opening at the correct
height.
I like mine to be just below the top of the door opening at pond overflow
height so that the pond can be drained down the 5 or 6 or 8 inches to the
bottom of the door without the skimmer going dry. Insert the skimmer in
the
hole and backfill from behind to push the skimmer forward into the liner.
If you used the plywood, remove it now, and the liner will lay against the
skimmer. Be sure the water level is low enough to have the door
completely
above water level. Cut the liner to match the skimmer opening and install
the weir and face plate, all with silicone caulk between liner and
skimmer,
liner and weir, liner or weir and face plate. Mine has screws to hold the
face plate on, and these would then be installed. Refill pond. If it has
a
bottom drain fitting, as I put in mine, a bulkhead fitting ties the liner
to
the front of the skimmer box. Use silicone on this connection also, if
you
drain the pond to that level. I have cut the liner for the bulkhead
fitting
with the pond full and though I am sure there was some leakage, it was
minor.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Oh Hallelujah! You mean I finally bought something that has a double
use??
How can I train a guy or two to install it properly?? I don't have a
clue
as
to how these things are installed? Actually I did have an install
promised
from the lady
who owns the LFS ... but the guy she hired refuzes (SP) to touch the
Savio!.....
same o-same-o. Any other suggestions as to how this can be instaalled?
Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mickey" wrote in message
...
The model 85 towards the bottom is the one that allows the door to be
closed
and suck water from the bottom. That is the model I have.

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks Mickey. Not the one I have. I have Model 85 - - got it from
AZ
Ponds.
I sure got a good deal on it but there it sits in my garage

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
This one
http://www.aquaart.com/SavioSkimmer.html



"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Mickey,
What model Savio skimmer do you have?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"Mickey" wrote in message
...
Look at a Savio skimmer, you can set it up to skim normally and
when
you
want to suck off the bottom close the door and it will suck from
the
bottom.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Can anyone reccomend a good filter setup to remove leaves,
dirt
and
debris ? I am not the most handiest at building any type of
filter.