On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:53:50 GMT, "Nedra Crow"
wrote:

Before you (Sky) start messing with the pH, please check to see what the KH
reading is.
If your KH reading is low... i.e. under 100 I would go ahead and add baking
soda at 1 cup
per 1,000 gallons. Your pH will balance out at 8.4 so that is an added
benefit. You can get the
KH testing kit for about $8.00.

Nedra

My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.

--
Crashj

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:53:50 GMT, "Nedra Crow"
wrote:

Before you (Sky) start messing with the pH, please check to see what the KH
reading is.
If your KH reading is low... i.e. under 100 I would go ahead and add baking
soda at 1 cup
per 1,000 gallons. Your pH will balance out at 8.4 so that is an added
benefit. You can get the
KH testing kit for about $8.00.

Nedra

My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.

--
Crashj

Sorry Crashj. I meant 100 ppm. This should take about 6 drops from the
bottle.... depending
on the water. Aquarium Pharm has a really neat 23 page booklet with their
Master Test Kit that
explains all this stuff.

Nedra

"Crashj" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:53:50 GMT, "Nedra Crow"
wrote:

Before you (Sky) start messing with the pH, please check to see what the
KH
reading is.
If your KH reading is low... i.e. under 100 I would go ahead and add
baking
soda at 1 cup
per 1,000 gallons. Your pH will balance out at 8.4 so that is an added
benefit. You can get the
KH testing kit for about $8.00.

Nedra

My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.

--
Crashj

Sorry Crashj. I meant 100 ppm. This should take about 6 drops from the
bottle.... depending
on the water. Aquarium Pharm has a really neat 23 page booklet with their
Master Test Kit that
explains all this stuff.

Nedra

"Crashj" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:53:50 GMT, "Nedra Crow"
wrote:

Before you (Sky) start messing with the pH, please check to see what the
KH
reading is.
If your KH reading is low... i.e. under 100 I would go ahead and add
baking
soda at 1 cup
per 1,000 gallons. Your pH will balance out at 8.4 so that is an added
benefit. You can get the
KH testing kit for about $8.00.

Nedra

My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.

--
Crashj

"Roy" wrote in message
...
snip
You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
my ph is so high..........

Hi,
Vinegar and citric acids are organic, this means that in addition to
lowering pH and KH they add organic compounds that must be dealt with
biofiltration. Muriatic acid is inorganic and cheap but requires more care,
RTFL. Never add water to acid, only add acid to water. Two and a half ounces
per 1000 gals is the maximum to use at one time. Dosing at mid day is
recommended. Check the next day and dose again if needed.
Check pH at dawn and again in mid afternoon, if the results vary by half a
unit you probably need to adjust the KH.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

"Roy" wrote in message
...
snip
You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
my ph is so high..........

Hi,
Vinegar and citric acids are organic, this means that in addition to
lowering pH and KH they add organic compounds that must be dealt with
biofiltration. Muriatic acid is inorganic and cheap but requires more care,
RTFL. Never add water to acid, only add acid to water. Two and a half ounces
per 1000 gals is the maximum to use at one time. Dosing at mid day is
recommended. Check the next day and dose again if needed.
Check pH at dawn and again in mid afternoon, if the results vary by half a
unit you probably need to adjust the KH.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

both lemon juice and white vinegar are organic acids which are quickly broken down by
bacteria. not a solution. Ingrid

BryanB wrote:

Er... You mean Baking *Soda*... Baking *powder* will only make your
flower biscuits rise.... (Pun intended.)

(And, it's always been my belief that these are only quick fixes; they
do nothing to solve the problem of what's actually raising or lowering
the pH. Of course, I'm not above using the quick fix from time to time...)

--Bryan


On 8/26/2004 9:06 AM Roy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
typed:BR

Snip
You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
snip



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both lemon juice and white vinegar are organic acids which are quickly broken down by
bacteria. not a solution. Ingrid

BryanB wrote:

Er... You mean Baking *Soda*... Baking *powder* will only make your
flower biscuits rise.... (Pun intended.)

(And, it's always been my belief that these are only quick fixes; they
do nothing to solve the problem of what's actually raising or lowering
the pH. Of course, I'm not above using the quick fix from time to time...)

--Bryan


On 8/26/2004 9:06 AM Roy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
typed:BR

Snip
You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
snip



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please top post or trim the messages. Ingrid

(Roy) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:48 GMT, BryanB
wrote:

===Er... You mean Baking *Soda*... Baking *powder* will only make your
===flower biscuits rise.... (Pun intended.)
===
===(And, it's always been my belief that these are only quick fixes; they
===do nothing to solve the problem of what's actually raising or lowering
===the pH. Of course, I'm not above using the quick fix from time to time...)
===
===--Bryan
===
===
===On 8/26/2004 9:06 AM Roy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
===typed:BR
===
===Snip
=== You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
=== alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
=== of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
===snip


Well thats what I thought also, but its listed as baking powder in
quite a few articles numerous times on a supposedly reliable website,
so I assumed thats what they meant. I have always read and heard
baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, as thats what I use in out hot tub,
but I swear the website lists it as baking powder.....

PS In case yu want to double check it its the Pond Professor
website.......and all of the artilces dealing with ph issues list it
as bp........

I'm with you though, I would use sodium bicabonate (baking soda) PH
adjusts usually is not necessary if its buffered and no items are
placed in thre water to raise it or lower it, and at most its just a
temp fix until you make figure out why the ph is swinging high or
low....


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please top post or trim the messages. Ingrid

(Roy) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:48 GMT, BryanB
wrote:

===Er... You mean Baking *Soda*... Baking *powder* will only make your
===flower biscuits rise.... (Pun intended.)
===
===(And, it's always been my belief that these are only quick fixes; they
===do nothing to solve the problem of what's actually raising or lowering
===the pH. Of course, I'm not above using the quick fix from time to time...)
===
===--Bryan
===
===
===On 8/26/2004 9:06 AM Roy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
===typed:BR
===
===Snip
=== You can use lemon juice or white vinegar to adjust ph down from high
=== alk side and use baking powder to rasie it from acid to base side. Non
=== of these are harmfull or will cause any problems, but I would see why
===snip


Well thats what I thought also, but its listed as baking powder in
quite a few articles numerous times on a supposedly reliable website,
so I assumed thats what they meant. I have always read and heard
baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, as thats what I use in out hot tub,
but I swear the website lists it as baking powder.....

PS In case yu want to double check it its the Pond Professor
website.......and all of the artilces dealing with ph issues list it
as bp........

I'm with you though, I would use sodium bicabonate (baking soda) PH
adjusts usually is not necessary if its buffered and no items are
placed in thre water to raise it or lower it, and at most its just a
temp fix until you make figure out why the ph is swinging high or
low....


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pH 8.5 is excellent.

"SkyCatcher" wrote:

Hi,

The pH is 8.5 - reading taken at 2pm & 6pm. It used to be OK & the tap water
is 7.


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pH 8.5 is excellent.

"SkyCatcher" wrote:

Hi,

The pH is 8.5 - reading taken at 2pm & 6pm. It used to be OK & the tap water
is 7.


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DO NOT USE MARBLE.. dont even use oyster shells. your pH is high already. get
aquarium pharm total alkalinity test kit. I suspect your calcium is fine already.
unless your city is adding NaOH to the water.
Ingrid

Crashj wrote:
My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

DO NOT USE MARBLE.. dont even use oyster shells. your pH is high already. get
aquarium pharm total alkalinity test kit. I suspect your calcium is fine already.
unless your city is adding NaOH to the water.
Ingrid

Crashj wrote:
My Tetra Koi test kit says to use one drop per KH number to measure
the hardness. To get to 100 is going to use up the whole bottle! There
must be a better way or some other test kit chemistry?
So I guess I need to add some marble chips or oyster shells to get the
KH up? pH measured 9.0 in the late afternoon. I do not plan to worry
about the alkalinity until KH is in range.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:50:08 +0100, "SkyCatcher" wrote:

The pH is 8.5 - reading taken at 2pm & 6pm. It used to be OK & the tap water
is 7.

If your tap water is 7.0, I'd go the KISS method and just do water change
outs. 10% every day for 4 times and I bet your pH is down to 8.0 a more
plant happy pH. Plus, this won't shock your fish, doesn't cost a lot nor
any hazardous materials training needed. ;o) Then do 10% change outs
weekly.

It would be helpful to know what your total alkalinity (KH test) is of both
pond and tap water. As you may still need the Baking Soda. ~ jan
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