wrote in message
...
not really costly. I got a 150 gallon rubbermaid stock tank... but, there are
all
kinds of "kiddy pools" that are collapsible and the one with the PVC frame
holds 800
GALLONS!! even better. a simple gravity filter using gravel and polyester
batting
cycles almost instantly. bird netting is cheap and so is an air pump. cheap
plastic
of any kind and a 200 watt tank heater can bring 100-150 gallon rubbermaid up
to the
84oF required. quarantine in a garage or basement is perfect. it really
isnt that
big a deal. Ingrid

I agree 100%. And it might just save your favorite fish.

You know we love and appreciate you, and your carping! So many things I've
learnt from you over the years.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message
...
Ingrid constantly "carps" about many things...quarantine is just one of
them.
I learned the hard way in tanks, so I didnt make the mistake in the pond.
I been
carping at my friend Marilyn The Pond Lady and she insists on dumping the
new koi
right in and has lost whole ponds full of the best koi. I "carped" to her
about
netting I mean especially cause she got a sand hill crane rookery right in
the back
of her property and herons drop in all the time. for 20 years no herons.
then they
came and wiped a couple of her ponds out.
I been "carping" about air pumps for ponds over winter too and keeping a
hole open.
a bunch of koi nosing up to a heater sitting in an ice hole in spring is
not "koi
basking in the heat" but an indication of low oxygen levels, especially in
spring.
my latest "carp" is closed systems especially tanks. set it up with the
fish and
then add NO MORE. dont even shuffle fish from one tank to another. dont
know why
but after even a shuffle fish start dying.
Obviously I really dont care if people flame me about my carping (or
anything else
for that matter). Ingrid

"Just Me \"Koi\"" wrote:
I too use to poopoo Ingrid for her constant advice on quarantine, until
disaster struck twice ( Now I confess)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

You know we love and appreciate you, and your carping! So many things I've
learnt from you over the years.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message
...
Ingrid constantly "carps" about many things...quarantine is just one of
them.
I learned the hard way in tanks, so I didnt make the mistake in the pond.
I been
carping at my friend Marilyn The Pond Lady and she insists on dumping the
new koi
right in and has lost whole ponds full of the best koi. I "carped" to her
about
netting I mean especially cause she got a sand hill crane rookery right in
the back
of her property and herons drop in all the time. for 20 years no herons.
then they
came and wiped a couple of her ponds out.
I been "carping" about air pumps for ponds over winter too and keeping a
hole open.
a bunch of koi nosing up to a heater sitting in an ice hole in spring is
not "koi
basking in the heat" but an indication of low oxygen levels, especially in
spring.
my latest "carp" is closed systems especially tanks. set it up with the
fish and
then add NO MORE. dont even shuffle fish from one tank to another. dont
know why
but after even a shuffle fish start dying.
Obviously I really dont care if people flame me about my carping (or
anything else
for that matter). Ingrid

"Just Me \"Koi\"" wrote:
I too use to poopoo Ingrid for her constant advice on quarantine, until
disaster struck twice ( Now I confess)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Yeah, for me as I have now been able to work a deal with my local Koi
supplier to swap tiddler Koi, or whatever he has got that I fancy, with
lillies that I grow in my pond, the main concern is to not kill my existing
biguns.

I have read the kiddies pool idea in another post, yeah - OK I'll think
about that. What about using a plastic garden water butt as a QT ? Is the
surface area too small? Obviously put an air pump in it, these are about 2
feet in diameter and 3 feet deep. I have a spare one of these. If this was
OK to use,
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle
the temperature? And what feeding regime should I use. These fish are damn
skinny when they arrive in my local aquaria section of my local garden
centre, oh, my local aquaria centre imports tiddler koi from Malasia and
sells them to other garden centres!

Fireball


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
newstjdd.835$qr.718@trnddc05...
I think we both missed each other's point. I didn't think you were
knocking
Ingrid in anyways. Heck I didn't even know what your experience or
thoughts
were in terms of quarantine.

I suspect that my experience I snot unusual, more in line with anyone that
collects expensive Koi, but not smart enough to do QT.

I apologize if my lengthy mail confused the issue, but the bottom line
was,
you are risking the life of your existing stock if you introduce new fish
without QT.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:4175616e@padme....
Woooow, just hold it a minute!!! I am not running down Ingrid, I just
want
to have a feel from people's experience so that we all can understand the
value of putting in the effort to quarentine. It seems that your
experience
was most definately an unfortunate one, and much worse than most taking
part
in this poll. It will require a considerable effort and cost for those
of
us who haven't already got QT facilities to buy and install them, so its
good discuss the frequency for such catastrophies. Your experience is
certainly a catastrophy, and I'm sure that all of us in the group will
sympathise. Its certainly a lesson to learn. Personllay I can't justfy
the
room that would be taken by a 100 gallon tank, but I do have a old
aquarium
12x9x18 inches that I could use. But do we really have to keep new fish
in
it for year, cycling the temperature from high to low to activate any
viruses?
So how many have used QT measures and get deaths in QT?


Fireball


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
news:RJ1dd.8249$232.1298@trnddc09...
Dude,

It's like having sex without condom, maybe the lady will get pregnant,
maybe
you get gonorrhea, maybe you get aids, it only has to happen once then
it's
too late.

I too use to poopoo Ingrid for her constant advice on quarantine, until
disaster struck twice ( Now I confess)

For many months I had grown my Koi, trained them to love me, and then I
was
at Wal-Mart and saw this incredible goldfish that looked like Koi. I
wanted
it so bad, so when my daughter put the slightest of pressure on me to
get
it, deal was done. Got home, floated the bag for a while, and in goes
fish.
Lost half of my Koi collection! And I spent a bundle to try and save
them,
but them were murdered fish in the hands of "me"

So I swore never to buy fish again, my resistance lasted a few days.
Built
new pond in addition to the existing, put in lovely huge Koi, all
quarantined. Dipped in salt before going into the quarantine tank, and
ultimately dipped again before going into the new pond. Not a single
death!

Then the greed/impatience in me struck. I saw the most beautiful Showa
at
a
Koi auction. Bid for it and ultimately over paid. So I got home, and
wanted to see how this new Koi was going to complete my lovely
collection
of
imported Koi. About 8 of them averaging in cost of $200 per fish.
They
were all healthy, until I put in the auction Showa, and then they all
died
good, murdered again by me, while my lovely quarantine tank complete
with
filter and pump sat nearby unused. But I was too impatient.

I have since collected more Koi, and now swear by my quarantine tank.
Thank
you Ingrid, and sorry I didn't listen to you sooner.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:41741efc@padme....
Continuing the topic of the likelihood of newly introduced GF or Koi
dying
within the first year. Whilst I understand the desirability of having
a
100
gallon QT tanks, heaters keeping them for a year in these tanks and
virtually turning your small garden into a fish importers quarantine
industrial estate (I exaggerate for effect - but you know what I
mean).
Its
all very well to buy, sterilise, fill, heat, keep a watch on,
maintain,
fence have the fish die anyway, etc etc, but I have got a proper job
and
house to rebuild to keep me busy, and I don't have any room for tanks.

The cost and effort put into running the QT tanks needs to be assessed
against the likely hood of the newly introduced fish dying, or more
worrying, existing stocks dying.

The POLL:-

Just how many fish have people in this newsgroup bought, and have died
in
the first, say, year? Both with and without using quarentee
procedures.
And how many times have existing stocks been killed of by diseases
carried
by the newcomer?

I'll start it off. I have added 10 Koi, in 5 batches over 5 years, 8
GF
in
4 batches over 5 years, 2 grass carp, 2 golden tench. All added as
tiddlers.
The grass carp are 12 inches long, and the Koi range from 12 to 16
inches
long.

Deaths: first occurrence this year, 1 out of 1 3 inch tiddler Koi
added.
seemed very happy for the first 3 weeks then poof! without any
warning.
Purchased in the autumn.

1 off 16 inch Koi died out of the blue, over a year after the addition
of
any newcomer.

I suspect that this is very typical of pond life and death, whether
quarantining or not - but lets find out. Over to you.

I also lost 2 starlets (dwarf stergeon) but a fish importer told me
that
they are not suitable for ponds, they like rivers.

wrote in message news:417981e6@padme....
Yeah, for me as I have now been able to work a deal with my local Koi supplier
to swap tiddler Koi, or whatever he has got that I fancy, with lillies that I
grow in my pond, the main concern is to not kill my existing biguns.

I have read the kiddies pool idea in another post, yeah - OK I'll think about
that. What about using a plastic garden water butt as a QT ? Is the surface
area too small? Obviously put an air pump in it, these are about 2 feet in
diameter and 3 feet deep. I have a spare one of these. If this was OK to
use,
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle the
temperature? And what feeding regime should I use. These fish are damn
skinny when they arrive in my local aquaria section of my local garden centre,
oh, my local aquaria centre imports tiddler koi from Malasia and sells them to
other garden centres!

Fireball

Judging from your post, I assume that you are in the UK (never heard of fish fry
being referred to as "tiddlers", but I guess it's just not a term that is
commonly used in the states). I use a 50 gallon tupperware tub for my QT, so
what you are describing should work fine. As far as the length of quarantine is
concerned, I've never had to quarantine store-bought fish for more than two
weeks. Having said that, it depends on the condition of the fish. If you get
them in quarantine, and they appear to be sick or have parasites, then obviously
you are going to have to treat them before you introduce them into the pond (it
is a good practice to treat fish for paracites before introduction, regardless).
In which case, you would want to quarantine them at least one to two weeks
longer than is required for the treatment (just in case). Remember, there are
two reasons to have a QT: 1) To quarantine new arrivals prior to introduction
into your pond; 2) To treat fish that may become sick after they have become
established into the fish community. I hope this helps.


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
newstjdd.835$qr.718@trnddc05...
I think we both missed each other's point. I didn't think you were knocking
Ingrid in anyways. Heck I didn't even know what your experience or thoughts
were in terms of quarantine.

I suspect that my experience I snot unusual, more in line with anyone that
collects expensive Koi, but not smart enough to do QT.

I apologize if my lengthy mail confused the issue, but the bottom line was,
you are risking the life of your existing stock if you introduce new fish
without QT.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:4175616e@padme....
Woooow, just hold it a minute!!! I am not running down Ingrid, I just
want
to have a feel from people's experience so that we all can understand the
value of putting in the effort to quarentine. It seems that your
experience
was most definately an unfortunate one, and much worse than most taking
part
in this poll. It will require a considerable effort and cost for those
of
us who haven't already got QT facilities to buy and install them, so its
good discuss the frequency for such catastrophies. Your experience is
certainly a catastrophy, and I'm sure that all of us in the group will
sympathise. Its certainly a lesson to learn. Personllay I can't justfy
the
room that would be taken by a 100 gallon tank, but I do have a old
aquarium
12x9x18 inches that I could use. But do we really have to keep new fish
in
it for year, cycling the temperature from high to low to activate any
viruses?
So how many have used QT measures and get deaths in QT?


Fireball


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
news:RJ1dd.8249$232.1298@trnddc09...
Dude,

It's like having sex without condom, maybe the lady will get pregnant,
maybe
you get gonorrhea, maybe you get aids, it only has to happen once then
it's
too late.

I too use to poopoo Ingrid for her constant advice on quarantine, until
disaster struck twice ( Now I confess)

For many months I had grown my Koi, trained them to love me, and then I
was
at Wal-Mart and saw this incredible goldfish that looked like Koi. I
wanted
it so bad, so when my daughter put the slightest of pressure on me to
get
it, deal was done. Got home, floated the bag for a while, and in goes
fish.
Lost half of my Koi collection! And I spent a bundle to try and save
them,
but them were murdered fish in the hands of "me"

So I swore never to buy fish again, my resistance lasted a few days.
Built
new pond in addition to the existing, put in lovely huge Koi, all
quarantined. Dipped in salt before going into the quarantine tank, and
ultimately dipped again before going into the new pond. Not a single
death!

Then the greed/impatience in me struck. I saw the most beautiful Showa
at
a
Koi auction. Bid for it and ultimately over paid. So I got home, and
wanted to see how this new Koi was going to complete my lovely
collection
of
imported Koi. About 8 of them averaging in cost of $200 per fish. They
were all healthy, until I put in the auction Showa, and then they all
died
good, murdered again by me, while my lovely quarantine tank complete
with
filter and pump sat nearby unused. But I was too impatient.

I have since collected more Koi, and now swear by my quarantine tank.
Thank
you Ingrid, and sorry I didn't listen to you sooner.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:41741efc@padme....
Continuing the topic of the likelihood of newly introduced GF or Koi
dying
within the first year. Whilst I understand the desirability of having a
100
gallon QT tanks, heaters keeping them for a year in these tanks and
virtually turning your small garden into a fish importers quarantine
industrial estate (I exaggerate for effect - but you know what I mean).
Its
all very well to buy, sterilise, fill, heat, keep a watch on, maintain,
fence have the fish die anyway, etc etc, but I have got a proper job
and
house to rebuild to keep me busy, and I don't have any room for tanks.

The cost and effort put into running the QT tanks needs to be assessed
against the likely hood of the newly introduced fish dying, or more
worrying, existing stocks dying.

The POLL:-

Just how many fish have people in this newsgroup bought, and have died
in
the first, say, year? Both with and without using quarentee
procedures.
And how many times have existing stocks been killed of by diseases
carried
by the newcomer?

I'll start it off. I have added 10 Koi, in 5 batches over 5 years, 8
GF
in
4 batches over 5 years, 2 grass carp, 2 golden tench. All added as
tiddlers.
The grass carp are 12 inches long, and the Koi range from 12 to 16
inches
long.

Deaths: first occurrence this year, 1 out of 1 3 inch tiddler Koi
added.
seemed very happy for the first 3 weeks then poof! without any warning.
Purchased in the autumn.

1 off 16 inch Koi died out of the blue, over a year after the addition
of
any newcomer.

I suspect that this is very typical of pond life and death, whether
quarantining or not - but lets find out. Over to you.

I also lost 2 starlets (dwarf stergeon) but a fish importer told me
that
they are not suitable for ponds, they like rivers.

wrote in message news:417981e6@padme....
Yeah, for me as I have now been able to work a deal with my local Koi supplier
to swap tiddler Koi, or whatever he has got that I fancy, with lillies that I
grow in my pond, the main concern is to not kill my existing biguns.

I have read the kiddies pool idea in another post, yeah - OK I'll think about
that. What about using a plastic garden water butt as a QT ? Is the surface
area too small? Obviously put an air pump in it, these are about 2 feet in
diameter and 3 feet deep. I have a spare one of these. If this was OK to
use,
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle the
temperature? And what feeding regime should I use. These fish are damn
skinny when they arrive in my local aquaria section of my local garden centre,
oh, my local aquaria centre imports tiddler koi from Malasia and sells them to
other garden centres!

Fireball

Judging from your post, I assume that you are in the UK (never heard of fish fry
being referred to as "tiddlers", but I guess it's just not a term that is
commonly used in the states). I use a 50 gallon tupperware tub for my QT, so
what you are describing should work fine. As far as the length of quarantine is
concerned, I've never had to quarantine store-bought fish for more than two
weeks. Having said that, it depends on the condition of the fish. If you get
them in quarantine, and they appear to be sick or have parasites, then obviously
you are going to have to treat them before you introduce them into the pond (it
is a good practice to treat fish for paracites before introduction, regardless).
In which case, you would want to quarantine them at least one to two weeks
longer than is required for the treatment (just in case). Remember, there are
two reasons to have a QT: 1) To quarantine new arrivals prior to introduction
into your pond; 2) To treat fish that may become sick after they have become
established into the fish community. I hope this helps.


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
newstjdd.835$qr.718@trnddc05...
I think we both missed each other's point. I didn't think you were knocking
Ingrid in anyways. Heck I didn't even know what your experience or thoughts
were in terms of quarantine.

I suspect that my experience I snot unusual, more in line with anyone that
collects expensive Koi, but not smart enough to do QT.

I apologize if my lengthy mail confused the issue, but the bottom line was,
you are risking the life of your existing stock if you introduce new fish
without QT.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:4175616e@padme....
Woooow, just hold it a minute!!! I am not running down Ingrid, I just
want
to have a feel from people's experience so that we all can understand the
value of putting in the effort to quarentine. It seems that your
experience
was most definately an unfortunate one, and much worse than most taking
part
in this poll. It will require a considerable effort and cost for those
of
us who haven't already got QT facilities to buy and install them, so its
good discuss the frequency for such catastrophies. Your experience is
certainly a catastrophy, and I'm sure that all of us in the group will
sympathise. Its certainly a lesson to learn. Personllay I can't justfy
the
room that would be taken by a 100 gallon tank, but I do have a old
aquarium
12x9x18 inches that I could use. But do we really have to keep new fish
in
it for year, cycling the temperature from high to low to activate any
viruses?
So how many have used QT measures and get deaths in QT?


Fireball


"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
news:RJ1dd.8249$232.1298@trnddc09...
Dude,

It's like having sex without condom, maybe the lady will get pregnant,
maybe
you get gonorrhea, maybe you get aids, it only has to happen once then
it's
too late.

I too use to poopoo Ingrid for her constant advice on quarantine, until
disaster struck twice ( Now I confess)

For many months I had grown my Koi, trained them to love me, and then I
was
at Wal-Mart and saw this incredible goldfish that looked like Koi. I
wanted
it so bad, so when my daughter put the slightest of pressure on me to
get
it, deal was done. Got home, floated the bag for a while, and in goes
fish.
Lost half of my Koi collection! And I spent a bundle to try and save
them,
but them were murdered fish in the hands of "me"

So I swore never to buy fish again, my resistance lasted a few days.
Built
new pond in addition to the existing, put in lovely huge Koi, all
quarantined. Dipped in salt before going into the quarantine tank, and
ultimately dipped again before going into the new pond. Not a single
death!

Then the greed/impatience in me struck. I saw the most beautiful Showa
at
a
Koi auction. Bid for it and ultimately over paid. So I got home, and
wanted to see how this new Koi was going to complete my lovely
collection
of
imported Koi. About 8 of them averaging in cost of $200 per fish. They
were all healthy, until I put in the auction Showa, and then they all
died
good, murdered again by me, while my lovely quarantine tank complete
with
filter and pump sat nearby unused. But I was too impatient.

I have since collected more Koi, and now swear by my quarantine tank.
Thank
you Ingrid, and sorry I didn't listen to you sooner.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

wrote in message news:41741efc@padme....
Continuing the topic of the likelihood of newly introduced GF or Koi
dying
within the first year. Whilst I understand the desirability of having a
100
gallon QT tanks, heaters keeping them for a year in these tanks and
virtually turning your small garden into a fish importers quarantine
industrial estate (I exaggerate for effect - but you know what I mean).
Its
all very well to buy, sterilise, fill, heat, keep a watch on, maintain,
fence have the fish die anyway, etc etc, but I have got a proper job
and
house to rebuild to keep me busy, and I don't have any room for tanks.

The cost and effort put into running the QT tanks needs to be assessed
against the likely hood of the newly introduced fish dying, or more
worrying, existing stocks dying.

The POLL:-

Just how many fish have people in this newsgroup bought, and have died
in
the first, say, year? Both with and without using quarentee
procedures.
And how many times have existing stocks been killed of by diseases
carried
by the newcomer?

I'll start it off. I have added 10 Koi, in 5 batches over 5 years, 8
GF
in
4 batches over 5 years, 2 grass carp, 2 golden tench. All added as
tiddlers.
The grass carp are 12 inches long, and the Koi range from 12 to 16
inches
long.

Deaths: first occurrence this year, 1 out of 1 3 inch tiddler Koi
added.
seemed very happy for the first 3 weeks then poof! without any warning.
Purchased in the autumn.

1 off 16 inch Koi died out of the blue, over a year after the addition
of
any newcomer.

I suspect that this is very typical of pond life and death, whether
quarantining or not - but lets find out. Over to you.

I also lost 2 starlets (dwarf stergeon) but a fish importer told me
that
they are not suitable for ponds, they like rivers.

Until the last couple of years, a quarantine of 2 or 3 weeks was considered
plenty long, and gave you an opportunity to verify the lack of parasites, or
to treat the parasites in much smaller water volumes, which reduced the cost
of treatment. KHV and SVC have shown up in virtually every country, and
will kill koi very quickly, and in mass numbers. One activates at between
60 and 70 degrees F and the other at around 80F. If the quarantine does not
cycle from about the 50's to the mid 80's, then you may introduce the virus
and not know for 6 or 8 months, and then lose all of your fish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

wrote in message news:417981e6@padme....
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle
the temperature? Fireball

Until the last couple of years, a quarantine of 2 or 3 weeks was considered
plenty long, and gave you an opportunity to verify the lack of parasites, or
to treat the parasites in much smaller water volumes, which reduced the cost
of treatment. KHV and SVC have shown up in virtually every country, and
will kill koi very quickly, and in mass numbers. One activates at between
60 and 70 degrees F and the other at around 80F. If the quarantine does not
cycle from about the 50's to the mid 80's, then you may introduce the virus
and not know for 6 or 8 months, and then lose all of your fish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

wrote in message news:417981e6@padme....
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle
the temperature? Fireball

yes, with aeration that should be fine. be sure to put a net over the top. I put
elastic (fabric store type stuff used when sewing clothes) around the top of mine put
the net under the elastic, works great.
the "butt" is around 30 gallons? it is a bit small, but with lots of water changes
should be fine.
feed normally, not too much and high quality stuff. drop in some oxygenators.
yeah, it is a really good idea after the first couple of weeks if no problem shows up
to drop plastic over it and run the temp up to 84oF for a couple days with a
submersible heater. then wait a couple more weeks to see if anything shows up.
I think it is SV where fish can be carriers. nasty stuff.
Ingrid

wrote:
What about using a plastic garden water butt as a QT ? Is the
surface area too small? Obviously put an air pump in it, these are about 2
feet in diameter and 3 feet deep. I have a spare one of these. If this was
OK to use,
How long would I need to put the tiddlers in it? And would I need to cycle
the temperature? And what feeding regime should I use. These fish are damn
skinny when they arrive in my local aquaria section of my local garden
centre, oh, my local aquaria centre imports tiddler koi from Malasia and
sells them to other garden centres!



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