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~ jan JJsPond.us writes:
Gail, if I was in your situation I'd have my filter on all the time,

*wave to Jan*

Whoa, how did I miss Jan's post? In reply, I suppose I
was concerned that with above-ground ponds, as the
water temp cools, the fish head as far south as they
can which isn't very far but better than nothing. Keeping
the filter on doesn't do anything for the biobugs (which
are nonexistent at lower temps, right?), it "mixes" the
water hence making the lower levels cooler, and also I
have to worry about the surface freezing over doing
weird things to my little fountain. Anyhoo, the fish
seem to be doing ok with the filter on except when I
expect temps to approach freezing overnight.

I could be wrong...

My pond's in Fort Worth, about five hours north of Gail's.

Or three hours south, since once you leave Ft Worth
during winter you just hit the brakes and slide.

Had a nice
thorough freeze around Christmas (towards the bottom,
http://artships.com/pond.php). Pump is still... Pumping, skippy is
still keeping the water clear. Fish still swim, albeit with a bit
more deliberation at times. Landscaping's a mess since everything
that had been green isn't, and The Crew has torn-up the grass playing
"Chase".

Hey, Gail - Still got all those birds on your back porch?

The Barn Swallows leave me regularly late summer.
But they'll be back! Except there's a lot less nesting
room since we built a room on the patio for two kittens.
(Long story, FeLV+, etc.) So now I'm planning on
building shelters just off the patio, under the overhangs.
I experimented with one last year, and a couple did
build a nest, although it fell down (overhang not
deep/long enough maybe). Thanks for asking!

John

Gail

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:00:04 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Keeping
the filter on doesn't do anything for the biobugs (which
are nonexistent at lower temps, right?),

That's what koi people use to think, so they cleaned their filters and put
them in storage mode and effectively killed any bacteria, or they stopped
the filters and effectively drowned/killed the bacteria. If you keep a slow
flow going the bacteria "supposedly" will go into a dormant state and wait
for better conditions. Granted some will die, but much will live. Spring
start-up is a breeze in comparison to start-up from scratch each spring.

it "mixes" the
water hence making the lower levels cooler, and also I
have to worry about the surface freezing over doing
weird things to my little fountain.

I've got a stock tank running with a becket box filter and bell fountain
agitating the surface. I turn the stock tank heater on periodically to keep
the ice away from the fountain. This year this tank has a bunch of koi fry
in it, an I'm currently not worried. We've hit a low of 15*F so far this
year and suppose to be colder tonight. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Jan - would you please define further the terms "stock tank", "becket box
filter and bell fountain egitating the surface" ---- also "I turn the stock
tank heater
on periodically". What size pump are you using? I know instinctively what
these things are but not enough to
replicate your set-up. Sounds neat not to have to start over from scratch
each spring. Thanks much.

Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:00:04 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Keeping
the filter on doesn't do anything for the biobugs (which
are nonexistent at lower temps, right?),

That's what koi people use to think, so they cleaned their filters and put
them in storage mode and effectively killed any bacteria, or they stopped
the filters and effectively drowned/killed the bacteria. If you keep a
slow
flow going the bacteria "supposedly" will go into a dormant state and wait
for better conditions. Granted some will die, but much will live. Spring
start-up is a breeze in comparison to start-up from scratch each spring.

it "mixes" the
water hence making the lower levels cooler, and also I
have to worry about the surface freezing over doing
weird things to my little fountain.

I've got a stock tank running with a becket box filter and bell fountain
agitating the surface. I turn the stock tank heater on periodically to
keep
the ice away from the fountain. This year this tank has a bunch of koi fry
in it, an I'm currently not worried. We've hit a low of 15*F so far this
year and suppose to be colder tonight. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Jan - would you please define further the terms "stock tank"

Stock tank, n. Rubber or metal tank for holding water for stock (cows,
horses, etc.). ;o) Mine is the Rubbermaid 70 gallon, sitting above ground
on my patio.

"becket box filter and bell fountain egitating the surface"

http://www.aqua-mart.com/search.pl (and if that doesn't get you there,
copy & paste BBF350A20 into their search box). The pump is a 350 gph, but
you can go larger.

I'm using a regular stock tank heater, the red ones, 1000 watt. That's why
I don't just leave it on.... they're too flakey.

Are you thinking of growing out some babies? ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Jan - would you please define further the terms "stock tank", "becket box
filter and bell fountain egitating the surface" ---- also "I turn the stock
tank heater
on periodically". What size pump are you using? I know instinctively what
these things are but not enough to
replicate your set-up. Sounds neat not to have to start over from scratch
each spring. Thanks much.

Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:00:04 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Keeping
the filter on doesn't do anything for the biobugs (which
are nonexistent at lower temps, right?),

That's what koi people use to think, so they cleaned their filters and put
them in storage mode and effectively killed any bacteria, or they stopped
the filters and effectively drowned/killed the bacteria. If you keep a
slow
flow going the bacteria "supposedly" will go into a dormant state and wait
for better conditions. Granted some will die, but much will live. Spring
start-up is a breeze in comparison to start-up from scratch each spring.

it "mixes" the
water hence making the lower levels cooler, and also I
have to worry about the surface freezing over doing
weird things to my little fountain.

I've got a stock tank running with a becket box filter and bell fountain
agitating the surface. I turn the stock tank heater on periodically to
keep
the ice away from the fountain. This year this tank has a bunch of koi fry
in it, an I'm currently not worried. We've hit a low of 15*F so far this
year and suppose to be colder tonight. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~