Does anyone know what exactly Koi Clay is?
Priss

Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
gouging prices.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:13:33 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough"
wrote:

===Does anyone know what exactly Koi Clay is?
===Priss
===


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"Roy" wrote in message
...
Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
gouging prices.

You can get a 100lbs bag of bentonite at an industrial pump or drilling
supply company for about $6-10/bag. Do a search on whitepages.com for one
or both of these businesses in your area, then call them and check on
availability. They also make it in pellets, which is much easier to use,
but a bit more expensive. The other advantage of pellets is that they come
in 5-gallon buckets that are resealable.

I was curious. I have had my pond up since March. 15x15 and 4 ft deep. 3½ x9
4 ft settlement chamber/filter filled with media. 3 bottom drains.
About 8 medium Koi in it. Coast of Ga. MY water won't clear. It stays green
looking. I don't know if its because its so hot here and I have a lot of
trees.
Fish seem happy. Friend got this koi clay and said hers cleared up. Was
wondering if it would do any good or just leave my pond alone and hope it
clears.
Just have water lettuce and a couple hyantchs. ms
Got a couple water lilies but since I can't see the bottom am afraid to get
in. I did catch 2 big snapping turtles and relocated them.
Got a frog sanctuary out there. Toads and Frog haven.
Priss


" George" wrote in message
news:0ReBe.151088$_o.60911@attbi_s71...

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
gouging prices.

You can get a 100lbs bag of bentonite at an industrial pump or drilling
supply company for about $6-10/bag. Do a search on whitepages.com for one
or both of these businesses in your area, then call them and check on
availability. They also make it in pellets, which is much easier to use,
but a bit more expensive. The other advantage of pellets is that they
come in 5-gallon buckets that are resealable.

I was curious. I have had my pond up since March. 15x15 and 4 ft deep. 3½ x9
4 ft settlement chamber/filter filled with media. 3 bottom drains.
About 8 medium Koi in it. Coast of Ga. MY water won't clear. It stays green
looking. I don't know if its because its so hot here and I have a lot of
trees.
Fish seem happy. Friend got this koi clay and said hers cleared up. Was
wondering if it would do any good or just leave my pond alone and hope it
clears.
Just have water lettuce and a couple hyantchs. ms

There's the problem, more plants needed most likely. What are your water
parameters? Numbers preferred from all tests you have on hand. ~ jan

Got a couple water lilies but since I can't see the bottom am afraid to get
in. I did catch 2 big snapping turtles and relocated them.
Got a frog sanctuary out there. Toads and Frog haven.
Priss

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Jan I will give you readings as soon as we stop having afternoon storms. The
last 2 days we have had bad afternoon thunderstorms.
Priss
"~ janj JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
I was curious. I have had my pond up since March. 15x15 and 4 ft deep. 3½
x9
4 ft settlement chamber/filter filled with media. 3 bottom drains.
About 8 medium Koi in it. Coast of Ga. MY water won't clear. It stays
green
looking. I don't know if its because its so hot here and I have a lot of
trees.
Fish seem happy. Friend got this koi clay and said hers cleared up. Was
wondering if it would do any good or just leave my pond alone and hope it
clears.
Just have water lettuce and a couple hyantchs. ms

There's the problem, more plants needed most likely. What are your water
parameters? Numbers preferred from all tests you have on hand. ~ jan

Got a couple water lilies but since I can't see the bottom am afraid to
get
in. I did catch 2 big snapping turtles and relocated them.
Got a frog sanctuary out there. Toads and Frog haven.
Priss

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

I believe your in need of more plants to suck up nutrients instead of
the algae getting the nutrients to grow on. Its hard to say with
ca;coium bentonite, some swear by it others say its so so, andyet
others swear at it.........but whatever you do, as I am sure one clown
here will chime in and suggest, and that is DO NOT USE kitty litter in
place of koi clay or calcium bentonite.......

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:54:16 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough"
wrote:

===I was curious. I have had my pond up since March. 15x15 and 4 ft deep. 3½ x9
===4 ft settlement chamber/filter filled with media. 3 bottom drains.
===About 8 medium Koi in it. Coast of Ga. MY water won't clear. It stays green
===looking. I don't know if its because its so hot here and I have a lot of
===trees.
===Fish seem happy. Friend got this koi clay and said hers cleared up. Was
===wondering if it would do any good or just leave my pond alone and hope it
===clears.
===Just have water lettuce and a couple hyantchs. ms
===Got a couple water lilies but since I can't see the bottom am afraid to get
===in. I did catch 2 big snapping turtles and relocated them.
===Got a frog sanctuary out there. Toads and Frog haven.
===Priss
===
===
===" George" wrote in message
===news:0ReBe.151088$_o.60911@attbi_s71...
===
=== "Roy" wrote in message
=== ...
=== Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
=== prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
=== I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
=== even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
=== calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
=== for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
=== needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
=== in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
=== 10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
=== gouging prices.
===
=== You can get a 100lbs bag of bentonite at an industrial pump or drilling
=== supply company for about $6-10/bag. Do a search on whitepages.com for one
=== or both of these businesses in your area, then call them and check on
=== availability. They also make it in pellets, which is much easier to use,
=== but a bit more expensive. The other advantage of pellets is that they
=== come in 5-gallon buckets that are resealable.
===
===


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

"Priscilla McCullough" wrote in message
...
I was curious. I have had my pond up since March. 15x15 and 4 ft deep. 3½
x9 4 ft settlement chamber/filter filled with media. 3 bottom drains.
About 8 medium Koi in it. Coast of Ga. MY water won't clear. It stays
green looking. I don't know if its because its so hot here and I have a
lot of trees.
Fish seem happy. Friend got this koi clay and said hers cleared up. Was
wondering if it would do any good or just leave my pond alone and hope it
clears.
Just have water lettuce and a couple hyantchs. ms
Got a couple water lilies but since I can't see the bottom am afraid to
get in. I did catch 2 big snapping turtles and relocated them.
Got a frog sanctuary out there. Toads and Frog haven.
Priss


Try using some aquazyme on a regular basis and see if that helps. How much
water flow do you have? Also, you should regularly clean out your
settlement filter if it is building up a lot of detritis. And if you have
room, add some more aquatic plants, like lillies and miniature cattails.

" George" wrote in message
news:0ReBe.151088$_o.60911@attbi_s71...

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
gouging prices.

You can get a 100lbs bag of bentonite at an industrial pump or drilling
supply company for about $6-10/bag. Do a search on whitepages.com for
one or both of these businesses in your area, then call them and check
on availability. They also make it in pellets, which is much easier to
use, but a bit more expensive. The other advantage of pellets is that
they come in 5-gallon buckets that are resealable.

Just make sure if buying from a well drilling outfit that it is
calcium or southern bentonite, and not sodium or western bentonite.
Well drillers normally use western (sodium ) bentonite and yes that
too is available in 5 gal pails in granulated, and pelleted
forms.........CALCIUM or SOUTHERN is what you want not WESTERN or
SODIUM.......

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:29:48 GMT, " George"
wrote:

===
==="Roy" wrote in message
et...
=== Is calcium bentonite clay finely ground and sold at excessively high
=== prices...........to ponders as a miricle cure all for ponds and fish.
=== I am not argueing it may have benefits, but the price certainly is not
=== even close in line with what you can buy a 50 or 100 pound bag of
=== calcium bentonite clay for, from a foundry supply, or feed mill
=== for......The jopker on Ebay is probably doing just that, and only
=== needs to sell one bag of the stuff and his 100 pound sack is paid for
=== in full.....Even with shipping, the cost of a 50# bag is still cheaper
=== 10 times over than buying packaged koi clay and paying the price
=== gouging prices.
===
===You can get a 100lbs bag of bentonite at an industrial pump or drilling
===supply company for about $6-10/bag. Do a search on whitepages.com for one
===or both of these businesses in your area, then call them and check on
===availability. They also make it in pellets, which is much easier to use,
===but a bit more expensive. The other advantage of pellets is that they come
===in 5-gallon buckets that are resealable.
===


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Just make sure if buying from a well drilling outfit that it is
calcium or southern bentonite, and not sodium or western bentonite.
Well drillers normally use western (sodium ) bentonite and yes that
too is available in 5 gal pails in granulated, and pelleted
forms.........CALCIUM or SOUTHERN is what you want not WESTERN or
SODIUM.......

Why is that?

The propertys of the two clays are entirely different.......One will
do the job (supposedly) and the other is used by those that don't know
any different simply because its bentonite and they considfer
bentonite all one and the same, which it is not. i'm not gonna get
into a blow by blow difference in clays, as there is a heap of info on
the various bentonite clays, with a google search....

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:20:55 GMT, " George"
wrote:

===
==="Roy" wrote in message
et...
=== Just make sure if buying from a well drilling outfit that it is
=== calcium or southern bentonite, and not sodium or western bentonite.
=== Well drillers normally use western (sodium ) bentonite and yes that
=== too is available in 5 gal pails in granulated, and pelleted
=== forms.........CALCIUM or SOUTHERN is what you want not WESTERN or
=== SODIUM.......
===
===Why is that?
===


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o