On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:


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Whoops...close enough for me...

BUSTED.

You know, guys like you give the communities a bad name. and you've
just given your client's website a black eye.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:


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Franz:

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Whoops...close enough for me...

BUSTED.

You know, guys like you give the communities a bad name. and you've
just given your client's website a black eye.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:11:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

The war should probably be waere, but I'm a little rusty on my German
subjunctive.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:



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Franz:


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Whoops...close enough for me...

BUSTED.

You know, guys like you give the communities a bad name. and you've
just given your client's website a black eye.

Nope. You still have it wrong.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:



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Franz:


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Whoops...close enough for me...

BUSTED.

You know, guys like you give the communities a bad name. and you've
just given your client's website a black eye.

Nope. You still have it wrong.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to
read
it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature
site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of
the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose
issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable
information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it
still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area
offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK
growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well,
including
a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the
most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a
member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on
occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

And to be even more frank, uk.rec.gardens needs your bluster even
less.

Franz

Well, tell your "Double" to stop crossposting then. My original post
was rec.gardens.roses ONLY.

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

I am afraid I don't know enough German to translate that. You seem to
have something else wrong.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:11:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

The war should probably be waere, but I'm a little rusty on my
German
subjunctive.

That would make two of us. I am rusty on the rest of the sentence as
well, so you have wasted your time being too clever.

Franz

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

I am afraid I don't know enough German to translate that. You seem to
have something else wrong.

Franz


I am NOT taking sides one way or the other here. I'm just here as a
translator. It means, "If I were impolite, I would say "Halt's muzzle".

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

I am afraid I don't know enough German to translate that. You seem to
have something else wrong.

Franz


I am NOT taking sides one way or the other here. I'm just here as a
translator. It means, "If I were impolite, I would say "Halt's muzzle".

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:18:41 GMT, "Gunnar Savage"
wrote:


Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.

I am afraid I don't know enough German to translate that. You seem to
have something else wrong.

Franz


I am NOT taking sides one way or the other here. I'm just here as a
translator. It means, "If I were impolite, I would say "Halt's muzzle".

Well, more accurately, it would be "Shut up" (it's the vernacular, you
know - believe, I heard it more than once myself).

Mr. Double should have picked a less German-sounding name for his
dirtywork.

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:49:03 -0400, Julie
wrote:

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

I believe that this is the article that Mr. Double fianlly posted.

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

I'll keep my eye out for it. Seems like there would be some sort of
final judgment regarding the effacy, although, as I noted, one of the
most successful "rose guy for hire" around these parts uses this sort
of method. He simply goes back in the spring and cleans up whatever
winter dieback there happens to be, just like you do when you use the
traditional pruning.

Thanks for the help...

In article , dave weil
writes
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:


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Franz:

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Whoops...close enough for me...

Then you prove you don't understand headers. Both use the same isp, so
its not surpriding that posts take the same route. All those headers
are is the route news takes.

If you look at the other headers, you'll see that the versions of
Outlook used are different (not conclusive in itself, but in conjunction
with the totally different posting styles and contents, its pretty
obvious to me that they are not the same.)

BUSTED.


Now wait for the wrongful arrest charges.

--
regards andyw