REPOST

On 21 Aug 2003 06:56:45 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

In sci.agriculture wrote:
On a cursory scan I can see nothing
(unfortunately, there's someone called Butcher, BT, who seems to have
done a lot of work on byssinosis and cotton, but not as far as I can
see on Bt).

Who is going to bother to research it?

Who is bothering with the lungs of child outworkers helping their parents
to get paid for their contracts?

Please explain this further [child outworkers helping their parents
etc]

Linkname: Jan 2001, Child labour in Australian garment industry
URL: http://www.cleanclothes.org/campaign/00-01hwaus.htm
size: 105 lines

I think I have posted in the past refs to lists of companies who do or
don't adhere to a code since then.

I suppose some famrers will have tales to tell about child labour on
farms. Gordon has related stuff to us about the old days.

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?


In a homogeneous society one way may suit everyone, but it may be cruel
when people are different. For some the chemicals are the trouble, and
they can't read the labels very functionally.

Then who is to know when nettles start growing in a Roundup Ready soy,
corn, or cotton field, and Roundup lets them grow, and someone says you'll
have to get Pursuit and mix it. It works but do they know the extra
cautions? The company wants to make money, and may not be the best
advisor. Who else is there?

Cath

REPOST

On 21 Aug 2003 06:56:45 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

In sci.agriculture wrote:
On a cursory scan I can see nothing
(unfortunately, there's someone called Butcher, BT, who seems to have
done a lot of work on byssinosis and cotton, but not as far as I can
see on Bt).

Who is going to bother to research it?

Who is bothering with the lungs of child outworkers helping their parents
to get paid for their contracts?

Please explain this further [child outworkers helping their parents
etc]

Linkname: Jan 2001, Child labour in Australian garment industry
URL: http://www.cleanclothes.org/campaign/00-01hwaus.htm
size: 105 lines

I think I have posted in the past refs to lists of companies who do or
don't adhere to a code since then.

I suppose some famrers will have tales to tell about child labour on
farms. Gordon has related stuff to us about the old days.

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?


In a homogeneous society one way may suit everyone, but it may be cruel
when people are different. For some the chemicals are the trouble, and
they can't read the labels very functionally.

Then who is to know when nettles start growing in a Roundup Ready soy,
corn, or cotton field, and Roundup lets them grow, and someone says you'll
have to get Pursuit and mix it. It works but do they know the extra
cautions? The company wants to make money, and may not be the best
advisor. Who else is there?

Cath

In sci.agriculture wrote:

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Howe much of the year were they out in the sun so we can judge their
vitamin D level?

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

What sort is it and how long has it been used?

There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

It wasn't till I was a young adult. I suppose I thought it just a
part of life.

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?

When I spoke to the doctor some years back he referred to the sorts
pains everyone was getting.

There is a lot about me on Usenet.

Stopping turkey eating has seemed to help some discomfort recently.
Perhaps it has been grain-fed and has heart-troubling arachidonic
acid.

Yesterday evening I tried some sunflower seeds again. I woke with a
rather sore lower back this morning. It has gone off during the day.

On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

In sci.agriculture wrote:

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Howe much of the year were they out in the sun so we can judge their
vitamin D level?

Whose the 'we'? before I answer this.
And, what is so relevant about how much time they spent out picking
cotton?
What about other times they were outside ie: playing, sport, picking
other crops?

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

What sort is it and how long has it been used?

What sort of what and what do you mean by how long has it been used?


There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

It wasn't till I was a young adult. I suppose I thought it just a
part of life.

Der...
So your parent/s et al never gave a hoot about your bad back?
What about your teachers as surely they must have noticed.

Did you not talk to anyone ie: teacher, clergyman, friend, aunt, etc
about it?

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?

When I spoke to the doctor some years back he referred to the sorts
pains everyone was getting.

And you took this as gospel?
Did he refer you to a specialist etc?
Have you bothered after all these years to go back to another doctor
[or more than one] and have it investigated?

Seems rather silly of you if you just accept it without wanting to
know if there is a reason.

There is a lot about me on Usenet.
Stopping turkey eating has seemed to help some discomfort recently.
Perhaps it has been grain-fed and has heart-troubling arachidonic
acid.

I nearly fell off my chair when I read that.
Are you SERIOUS?

Yesterday evening I tried some sunflower seeds again. I woke with a
rather sore lower back this morning. It has gone off during the day.

Have you been seen by a specialist and been given Cat-scans or MRI's
etc?

What have you done for a living over the years?
I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.


Cath

On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

In sci.agriculture wrote:

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Howe much of the year were they out in the sun so we can judge their
vitamin D level?

Whose the 'we'? before I answer this.
And, what is so relevant about how much time they spent out picking
cotton?
What about other times they were outside ie: playing, sport, picking
other crops?

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

What sort is it and how long has it been used?

What sort of what and what do you mean by how long has it been used?


There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

It wasn't till I was a young adult. I suppose I thought it just a
part of life.

Der...
So your parent/s et al never gave a hoot about your bad back?
What about your teachers as surely they must have noticed.

Did you not talk to anyone ie: teacher, clergyman, friend, aunt, etc
about it?

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?

When I spoke to the doctor some years back he referred to the sorts
pains everyone was getting.

And you took this as gospel?
Did he refer you to a specialist etc?
Have you bothered after all these years to go back to another doctor
[or more than one] and have it investigated?

Seems rather silly of you if you just accept it without wanting to
know if there is a reason.

There is a lot about me on Usenet.
Stopping turkey eating has seemed to help some discomfort recently.
Perhaps it has been grain-fed and has heart-troubling arachidonic
acid.

I nearly fell off my chair when I read that.
Are you SERIOUS?

Yesterday evening I tried some sunflower seeds again. I woke with a
rather sore lower back this morning. It has gone off during the day.

Have you been seen by a specialist and been given Cat-scans or MRI's
etc?

What have you done for a living over the years?
I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.


Cath

wrote in message
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On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

In sci.agriculture wrote:

A problem with some farms is the back-breaking work.

My oh picked cotton along with his siblings and parents as long as he
can remember in the hot Texas sun every summer.
Picking cotton was a financial necessity for the family and for the
many other families who also did it.
They got 5c a pound - and if you have handled cotton bolls you know
light it is.

Yeah, it beat the shit out of their hands and they had achy backs
every night but years later, and his Dad is nearing 90, none have
suffered any disability - they all have very good backs for their age.

Howe much of the year were they out in the sun so we can judge their
vitamin D level?

Whose the 'we'? before I answer this.
And, what is so relevant about how much time they spent out picking
cotton?
What about other times they were outside ie: playing, sport, picking
other crops?

Last Thursday we stopped and watched the mechanical pickers not far
from us as they scooped up what is expected to be a bumper new
season's crop and not due to any spraying.

What sort is it and how long has it been used?

What sort of what and what do you mean by how long has it been used?


There is room for ingenious inventors of hand-tools.
My back was bad when I was young, but I wasn't doing bend over work.

From what?
Were you taken to a doctor by your parent/s/caregiver/s?
If so, what was the diagnosis and what treatment/s were recommended?
If not taken to a doctor, is there any particular reason why you
weren't?

As a young adult or an adult, have you sought any advice et al?

It wasn't till I was a young adult. I suppose I thought it just a
part of life.

Der...
So your parent/s et al never gave a hoot about your bad back?
What about your teachers as surely they must have noticed.

Did you not talk to anyone ie: teacher, clergyman, friend, aunt, etc
about it?

Now I am experimenting with not eating grain, even rice, and my lower
back is much better.

Again, have you been diagnosed with any condition?

When I spoke to the doctor some years back he referred to the sorts
pains everyone was getting.

And you took this as gospel?
Did he refer you to a specialist etc?
Have you bothered after all these years to go back to another doctor
[or more than one] and have it investigated?

Seems rather silly of you if you just accept it without wanting to
know if there is a reason.

There is a lot about me on Usenet.
Stopping turkey eating has seemed to help some discomfort recently.
Perhaps it has been grain-fed and has heart-troubling arachidonic
acid.

I nearly fell off my chair when I read that.
Are you SERIOUS?

Yesterday evening I tried some sunflower seeds again. I woke with a
rather sore lower back this morning. It has gone off during the day.

Have you been seen by a specialist and been given Cat-scans or MRI's
etc?

What have you done for a living over the years?
I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.


Cath


I'm kinda thinkin' that he's the leader of the Hypocondriacs society.


Dean Ronn

"Dean Ronn" @home wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

What have you done for a living over the years?
I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.


Cath


I'm kinda thinkin' that he's the leader of the Hypocondriacs society.


Dean Ronn

I would like to see him loading a hay truck for a day.

Gordon

Gordon Couger wrote:

"Dean Ronn" @home wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

What have you done for a living over the years?

Quite a bit of cello playing which is quite active physically. The cellist
from the Eroica Trio, currently in New Zealand, reported breaking a rib in
a concert once. It was difficult breathing. But cellists are fairly used
to pain.

I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.

In the earlier days I din't like beding over much. Now it is easier.




Cath


I'm kinda thinkin' that he's the leader of the Hypocondriacs society.


Dean Ronn

I would like to see him loading a hay truck for a day.

Offering me a job?

"Brian Sandle" wrote in message
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Gordon Couger wrote:

"Dean Ronn" @home wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On 26 Aug 2003 10:07:58 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:

What have you done for a living over the years?

Quite a bit of cello playing which is quite active physically. The cellist
from the Eroica Trio, currently in New Zealand, reported breaking a rib in
a concert once. It was difficult breathing. But cellists are fairly used
to pain.

I take it you cannot be involved in any physical job which requires
lifting, bending, etc.

In the earlier days I din't like beding over much. Now it is easier.




Cath


I'm kinda thinkin' that he's the leader of the Hypocondriacs society.


Dean Ronn

I would like to see him loading a hay truck for a day.

Offering me a job?

Sure but you have to finish the day.

Gordon