On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote:

Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing
the problem
I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me
a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some
bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or
preserving jars for this? TIA,

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk
and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap):
http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP

If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail
order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1
litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper
jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you
of course.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

-- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote:

Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden
producing
the problem
I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent
me
a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source
some
bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or
preserving jars for this? TIA,

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk
and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap):

http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP

If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail
order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1
litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper
jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you
of course.
I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars
instead of ordinary jars.
My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles,
chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them
through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps
and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product
cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly.
I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is
as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are
ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next
week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy
cled jars.

I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive)
jars
instead of ordinary jars.
My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles,
chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars.


So have hundreds and hundreds of people before you, but some do 'like to be
posh' and be of the 'we only use the proper things don't you know'

Mike

pammyT wrote:

[-]
I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars
instead of ordinary jars.
My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles,
chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them
through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps
and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product
cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly.
I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is
as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are
ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next
week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy
cled jars.

I too have some ancient jars of marmalade and jam, not to mention
maturing fruit vinegars. Lovely. The short answer to your question is
that it depends entirely on what you're bottling, how you're doing it,
and whether you know what you're doing. If the fruit is acidic, or you
add acid (vinegar) or masses of sugar, (as you do when making real jam
or chutneys) jam jars are probably ok. For the long answer in exquisite
detail visit rec.food.preserving. Some of them do go over the top a bit,
though.

regards
sarah

--
Think of it as evolution in action.

On 7/8/05 4:50 pm, in article ,
"pammyT" fenlandfowl @talktalk.net wrote:



-- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote:

Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden
producing
the problem
I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent
me
a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source
some
bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or
preserving jars for this? TIA,

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk
and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap):

http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...re/en/-/GBP/Di
splayProductInformation-Start;sid=sEEITv1ZuEqUVr-vtvQESFWZDfQdPGwQ30I=?Product
ID=TEbCy5OSAHIAAADmiCa2gFhP

If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail
order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1
litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper
jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you
of course.
I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars
instead of ordinary jars.

I don't think the OP asked for 'proper' or expensive. She just asked for
jars and Lakeland was one suggested source, that's all.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:50:21 +0100, "pammyT" fenlandfowl
@talktalk.net wrote:



-- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote:

snip
I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent
me
a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source
some
bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or
preserving jars for this? TIA,

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk
and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap):

http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP

If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail
order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1
litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper
jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you
of course.

I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars
instead of ordinary jars.
My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles,
chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them
through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps
and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product
cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly.
I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is
as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are
ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next
week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy
cled jars.

Pammy, I too use and re-use old jam jars (and lids) for my jams and
marmalades, but I have always used the "proper" preserving jars (also
re-using them) for picked onions and bottled fruit. The reason is
lost in the mists of time, but I suppose it's because the preserving
jars are thicker and tougher and perhaps better for the techniques of
bottling fruit, whereas jams etc are not cooked in the jar but merely
poured into hot jars. As I said to the OP, the choice is up to
her/him.


--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

In article , Sally Thompson
writes
Pammy, I too use and re-use old jam jars (and lids) for my jams and
marmalades, but I have always used the "proper" preserving jars (also
re-using them) for picked onions and bottled fruit. The reason is
lost in the mists of time, but I suppose it's because the preserving
jars are thicker and tougher and perhaps better for the techniques of
bottling fruit, whereas jams etc are not cooked in the jar but merely
poured into hot jars. As I said to the OP, the choice is up to
her/him.

It could be that the much higher sugar content of jams and marmalades
means they are less likely to go off, therefore the quality of the seal
is not quite as important.

Leave jam open to the air, and it will still be several weeks before it
grows hairs.

Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

On 8/8/05 18:07, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Sally Thompson
writes
Pammy, I too use and re-use old jam jars (and lids) for my jams and
marmalades, but I have always used the "proper" preserving jars (also
re-using them) for picked onions and bottled fruit. The reason is
lost in the mists of time, but I suppose it's because the preserving
jars are thicker and tougher and perhaps better for the techniques of
bottling fruit, whereas jams etc are not cooked in the jar but merely
poured into hot jars. As I said to the OP, the choice is up to
her/him.

It could be that the much higher sugar content of jams and marmalades
means they are less likely to go off, therefore the quality of the seal
is not quite as important.

Leave jam open to the air, and it will still be several weeks before it
grows hairs.

Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days.

So perhaps the safest way to bottle it is to do the 'peaches in brandy'
thing?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

The message k
from Sacha contains these words:

Leave jam open to the air, and it will still be several weeks before it
grows hairs.

Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days.

So perhaps the safest way to bottle it is to do the 'peaches in brandy'
thing?

Yesh.

--
Rusty
Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "pammyT" fenlandfowl @talktalk.net contains these words:

I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars
instead of ordinary jars.
My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles,
chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them
through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps
and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product
cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly.
I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is
as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are
ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next
week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy
cled jars.

Jams have a high sugar content, the temperature reached by boiling
syrup/sugar is much higher than water, so any bacteria in the fruit
have been well sterilised by the jam-making process and
any-ole-sterilised jar is pretty safe.

Preserved fruits/veg don't have anything near the same proportion of
sugar added. There's a higher risk of botulism (death) by not preserving
fruit/veg in a preserving jar with a rubber seal to make a complete
vacuum.

Janet.

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk

thank you everyone for the advice . Are these okay to boil? I was a bit
concerned that the rubber rings might melt or something - I'm sure this is a
stupid question but I wasn't sure if these jars with rings were actually
intended for preserving or were just for show IYSWIM

Incidentally I'm not necessarily looking for "posh" jars, it's just that
I've never tried this before, or in fact eaten bottled fruit before, and
figured that my best bet woudl be to try doing it using the "official"
equipment first before embarking on anythign more inventive, that way I'd
find out what it was supposed to look and taste like and woudl have some
basis to compare my future, probably more opportunist attempts to IYSWIM
Hayley

On 8/8/05 0:19, in article , "H
Ryder" wrote:

I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited:
www.lakelandlimited.co.uk

thank you everyone for the advice . Are these okay to boil? I was a bit
concerned that the rubber rings might melt or something - I'm sure this is a
stupid question but I wasn't sure if these jars with rings were actually
intended for preserving or were just for show IYSWIM

Incidentally I'm not necessarily looking for "posh" jars, it's just that
I've never tried this before, or in fact eaten bottled fruit before, and
figured that my best bet woudl be to try doing it using the "official"
equipment first before embarking on anythign more inventive, that way I'd
find out what it was supposed to look and taste like and woudl have some
basis to compare my future, probably more opportunist attempts to IYSWIM
Hayley


Kilner jars were used specifically for preserving fruit so I don't think you
have any problems there. The thing would be to go to the Lakeland site and
see what they recommend. Then, if doubts remain, I'd email them or ring
them with your queries. For doing e.g. Peaches in brandy, all you need are
sterilised jars, enough liquid to cover the fruit and an airtight lid. The
ones we've been given don't have any rubber seal and are just re-used large
jars like e.g. Hellmann's mayonnaise jars.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)