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11-09-2005, 06:42 PM
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OT-Worrisit
Wonder if any of the entomologists/lepidopterists here recognise
these? All seen on the Clwydians today. The caterpillar on Heather/Bilberry moorland about 400m asl. The little butterfly lower where the moorland gives way to rough pasture. The butterfly is *small* abdomen probably 15mm long. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_00010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_00011.jpg -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. |
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#2
11-09-2005, 06:52 PM
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Oops - try these.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. "Rod Craddock" wrote in message ... Wonder if any of the entomologists/lepidopterists here recognise these? All seen on the Clwydians today. The caterpillar on Heather/Bilberry moorland about 400m asl. The little butterfly lower where the moorland gives way to rough pasture. The butterfly is *small* abdomen probably 15mm long. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_00010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_00011.jpg -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. |
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#3
11-09-2005, 09:36 PM
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:30:26 +0100, "NikV"
wrote: "Rod Craddock" wrote in message ... Oops - try these. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg butterflies look like 'meadow browns' to me No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. Thanks for the reply though. Rod To reply use rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp - just remove the weedy bits and plant the sqiggly thing at. http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
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#4
11-09-2005, 10:36 PM
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"Rod" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:30:26 +0100, "NikV" wrote: "Rod Craddock" wrote in message ... Oops - try these. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg butterflies look like 'meadow browns' to me No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. Thanks for the reply though. Your OP quoted an abdomen length of 15mm. If your home grown Meadow Browns have abdomens of 45mm, the Guinness Book Of Records might like to know about them. :-)) -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk last update 10.09.2005 |
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#5
11-09-2005, 11:07 PM
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"Rod" wrote http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg butterflies look like 'meadow browns' to me No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. Thanks for the reply though. A Small Heath (Coenonympha pamphilus) then? http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/speci...eath/index.htm Males about 23mm according to my books, whereas the Meadow Brown is more like 40 - 48mm. Can't help with the Catterpillar. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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#6
12-09-2005, 12:00 AM
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Rod" wrote http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg butterflies look like 'meadow browns' to me No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. Thanks for the reply though. A Small Heath (Coenonympha pamphilus) then? http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/speci...eath/index.htm Males about 23mm according to my books, whereas the Meadow Brown is more like 40 - 48mm. not arguing ident but .. is this abdominal length ?? Picture here quotes wingspan of 40-60mm which would make abdominal length (2nd vinctus to end) of about 10-15mm, abdominal length of 40mm would imply a wingspan of 120mm http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/resea..._NUMBER=500472 nik |
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#7
12-09-2005, 06:15 PM
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"NikV" wrote in message
... "Rod" wrote No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. not arguing ident but .. is this abdominal length ?? Picture here quotes wingspan of 40-60mm which would make abdominal length (2nd vinctus to end) of about 10-15mm, abdominal length of 40mm would imply a wingspan of 120mm nik Er..............yes perhaps I overstated the size difference a little;~(( But yes, Small Heath looks a much better bet. That Caterpillar isn't in any of our books. I only ever see them up in those hills, usually a week or 2 earlier than this. Usuallly look fully fed and behaviour suggesting looking for somewhere to pupate. -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. |
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#8
12-09-2005, 11:06 PM
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"NikV" wrote after "Bob wrote in reply to "Rod" http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0008.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0010.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rodsgarden/DSC_0011.jpg butterflies look like 'meadow browns' to me No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. Thanks for the reply though. A Small Heath (Coenonympha pamphilus) then? http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/speci...eath/index.htm Males about 23mm according to my books, whereas the Meadow Brown is more like 40 - 48mm. not arguing ident but .. is this abdominal length ?? Picture here quotes wingspan of 40-60mm which would make abdominal length (2nd vinctus to end) of about 10-15mm, abdominal length of 40mm would imply a wingspan of 120mm http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/resea..._NUMBER=500472 No the length is for Wingspan in my book. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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#9
12-09-2005, 11:23 PM
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"Rod Craddock" wrote But yes, Small Heath looks a much better bet. That Caterpillar isn't in any of our books. I only ever see them up in those hills, usually a week or 2 earlier than this. Usuallly look fully fed and behaviour suggesting looking for somewhere to pupate. I suspect a Moth of the family Arctiidae (like a Dingy Footman) most if not all have hairy caterpillars. Finding a photo is difficult though. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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#10
12-09-2005, 11:46 PM
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"Rod Craddock" wrote in message ... "NikV" wrote in message ... "Rod" wrote No, they're far too small - Meadow Browns are something we have at home and they're 3 or 4 times larger than this baby. not arguing ident but .. is this abdominal length ?? Picture here quotes wingspan of 40-60mm which would make abdominal length (2nd vinctus to end) of about 10-15mm, abdominal length of 40mm would imply a wingspan of 120mm nik Er..............yes perhaps I overstated the size difference a little;~(( But yes, Small Heath looks a much better bet. That Caterpillar isn't in any of our books. I only ever see them up in those hills, usually a week or 2 earlier than this. Usuallly look fully fed and behaviour suggesting looking for somewhere to pupate. -- I would have to say without reference to any literature a variety of 'fox moth' springs to mind but its a long time since dabbling in this subject (30 years) nik |
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