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Water pump question
I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent
river. Nearest tap water supply is about ¼ mile away. I have a couple of 45-gallon (205-litre) drums which I can fill from the river and then fill watering cans from these. I have seen solar powered pumps for use in ponds and I was wondering if there was a suitable product on the market that might fit my requirements. It doesn't have to be that powerful as it can fill up gradually while I am working. It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Failing this (easier and cheaper) a hand powered pump? It does need to be able to manage to lift the water up high enough so perhaps one with a non-return valve? I tried a barrel pump but it couldn't manage more than about 4 feet! TIA -- -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- P.S. for the curious the location is he http://maps.google.co.uk/?t=h&om=1&l...01801,0.004345 to the left of the railway bridge (long grey straight bit) where the river (dark bendy bit) meanders round |
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"Amos E Wolfe" wrote in message ... I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent river. Nearest tap water supply is about ¼ mile away. I have a couple of 45-gallon (205-litre) drums which I can fill from the river and then fill watering cans from these. I have seen solar powered pumps for use in ponds and I was wondering if there was a suitable product on the market that might fit my requirements. It doesn't have to be that powerful as it can fill up gradually while I am working. It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Failing this (easier and cheaper) a hand powered pump? It does need to be able to manage to lift the water up high enough so perhaps one with a non-return valve? I tried a barrel pump but it couldn't manage more than about 4 feet! TIA -- -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- P.S. for the curious the location is he http://maps.google.co.uk/?t=h&om=1&l...01801,0.004345 to the left of the railway bridge (long grey straight bit) where the river (dark bendy bit) meanders round Do you have an extraction licence? Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk International Festival of the Sea 28th June - 1st July 2007 |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "Amos E Wolfe" wrote in message ... I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent river. Do you have an extraction licence? Mike No. I have researched this already and provided I use less than a certain amount af water I don't need one. IIRC this figure is something like 100 cubic metres per month. This may not be the correct figure but even if I use the full 45 gallons twice a week it won't be anywhere near. -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- |
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Do you have an extraction licence? Mike No. I have researched this already and provided I use less than a certain amount af water I don't need one. IIRC this figure is something like 100 cubic metres per month. This may not be the correct figure but even if I use the full 45 gallons twice a week it won't be anywhere near. -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- :-)) HAD to flag that one up :-)) Lifting a 10ft head of water is a bit of a problem. I don't think that any solar powered pump is going to get enough ooommpphh to do it. You could try a 12 volt battery on a trolly and an Electric Bilge Pump as used in boats, but the battery would have to be carted back and forward for charging :-(( I would go for a Whale Gusher Bilge Pump as used in small cruisers and yachts up to say 40ft which is hand operated. Has the capabilities of lifting water 10 feet ("I THINK") and would do the job quite quickly. Pump fixed to a piece of wood with room for your feet either side and work the chrome handle backwards and forwards :-)) Handle takes out for easy stowage :-)) Just my idea and thoughts, but someone may come up with something different. If you want to go down this avenue, let me know and I will nip over to some boat chandlers and check some pumps out. Pity you didn't post yesterday, I had to go to Cowes this morning!! Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk International Festival of the Sea 28th June - 1st July 2007 |
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Further my previous post, this is what I had in mind
http://www.ecs-marine-equipment.co.u...item-5947.html ecs are a good well established company, I had an account with them when in business :-)) Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk International Festival of the Sea 28th June - 1st July 2007 "Mike" wrote in message ... Do you have an extraction licence? Mike No. I have researched this already and provided I use less than a certain amount af water I don't need one. IIRC this figure is something like 100 cubic metres per month. This may not be the correct figure but even if I use the full 45 gallons twice a week it won't be anywhere near. -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- :-)) HAD to flag that one up :-)) Lifting a 10ft head of water is a bit of a problem. I don't think that any solar powered pump is going to get enough ooommpphh to do it. You could try a 12 volt battery on a trolly and an Electric Bilge Pump as used in boats, but the battery would have to be carted back and forward for charging :-(( I would go for a Whale Gusher Bilge Pump as used in small cruisers and yachts up to say 40ft which is hand operated. Has the capabilities of lifting water 10 feet ("I THINK") and would do the job quite quickly. Pump fixed to a piece of wood with room for your feet either side and work the chrome handle backwards and forwards :-)) Handle takes out for easy stowage :-)) Just my idea and thoughts, but someone may come up with something different. If you want to go down this avenue, let me know and I will nip over to some boat chandlers and check some pumps out. Pity you didn't post yesterday, I had to go to Cowes this morning!! Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk International Festival of the Sea 28th June - 1st July 2007 |
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from "Mike" contains these words: Lifting a 10ft head of water is a bit of a problem. I don't think that any solar powered pump is going to get enough ooommpphh to do it. Wind would though. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"Guy King" wrote in message ... The message from "Mike" contains these words: Lifting a 10ft head of water is a bit of a problem. I don't think that any solar powered pump is going to get enough ooommpphh to do it. Wind would though. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. So would a ram pump in the river -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
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Mike wrote:
Do you have an extraction licence? Mike No. I have researched this already and provided I use less than a certain amount af water I don't need one. IIRC this figure is something like 100 cubic metres per month. This may not be the correct figure but even if I use the full 45 gallons twice a week it won't be anywhere near. -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- :-)) HAD to flag that one up :-)) Lifting a 10ft head of water is a bit of a problem. I don't think that any solar powered pump is going to get enough ooommpphh to do it. You could try a 12 volt battery on a trolly and an Electric Bilge Pump as used in boats, but the battery would have to be carted back and forward for charging :-(( I would go for a Whale Gusher Bilge Pump as used in small cruisers and yachts up to say 40ft which is hand operated. Has the capabilities of lifting water 10 feet ("I THINK") and would do the job quite quickly. Pump fixed to a piece of wood with room for your feet either side and work the chrome handle backwards and forwards :-)) Handle takes out for easy stowage :-)) Just my idea and thoughts, but someone may come up with something different. If you want to go down this avenue, let me know and I will nip over to some boat chandlers and check some pumps out. Pity you didn't post yesterday, I had to go to Cowes this morning!! Mike Just don't take manufacturers pumping rates as gospel..............they refer to frightened sailors......BTDTGTTS -- ßôyþëtë |
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"Amos E Wolfe" wrote ... I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent river. Nearest tap water supply is about ¼ mile away. I have a couple of 45-gallon (205-litre) drums which I can fill from the river and then fill watering cans from these. I have seen solar powered pumps for use in ponds and I was wondering if there was a suitable product on the market that might fit my requirements. It doesn't have to be that powerful as it can fill up gradually while I am working. It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Failing this (easier and cheaper) a hand powered pump? It does need to be able to manage to lift the water up high enough so perhaps one with a non-return valve? I tried a barrel pump but it couldn't manage more than about 4 feet! One of our allotment chaps pumps water from the River Bourn that runs alongside our allotment site with a diesel pump. He does have an extraction agreement with the local water authority up to a certain (absurdly large) figure and their only stipulation is that he uses trickle irrigation and not the large farmer type sprayers he used to use. The site is served by mains water too. With the right pump you could simply water your plot and don't need to do what you intend with barrels and watering cans. Have a look on ebay for a second hand diesel/petrol pump after you price out the alternative. Solar panels and controllers are not cheap and I don't think a simple solar powered pond pump would be man enough for the job. This may be interesting .. http://www.gocaravanning.com/shoppin...ater-pumps.htm -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
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I am surprised no one has mentioned those pumps that extract energy from the
flow of the river and go donk donk donk. I know nothing about them except I often hear them while walking in the country. Colin "Amos E Wolfe" wrote in message ... I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent river. Nearest tap water supply is about ¼ mile away. I have a couple of 45-gallon (205-litre) drums which I can fill from the river and then fill watering cans from these. I have seen solar powered pumps for use in ponds and I was wondering if there was a suitable product on the market that might fit my requirements. It doesn't have to be that powerful as it can fill up gradually while I am working. It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Failing this (easier and cheaper) a hand powered pump? It does need to be able to manage to lift the water up high enough so perhaps one with a non-return valve? I tried a barrel pump but it couldn't manage more than about 4 feet! TIA -- -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- P.S. for the curious the location is he http://maps.google.co.uk/?t=h&om=1&l...01801,0.004345 to the left of the railway bridge (long grey straight bit) where the river (dark bendy bit) meanders round |
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from "Colin Hammond" contains these words: I am surprised no one has mentioned those pumps that extract energy from the flow of the river and go donk donk donk. I know nothing about them except I often hear them while walking in the country. You mean a ram pump. They work continually so the OP would exceed his extraction permit. Janet |
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On or around Fri, 5 May 2006 09:16:57 +0100, "Colin Hammond"
enlightened us thusly: I am surprised no one has mentioned those pumps that extract energy from the flow of the river and go donk donk donk. I know nothing about them except I often hear them while walking in the country. they have, several of 'em. mind, for the application involved, you might have to use a waterwheel and pump. More moving parts, but less head required, just flow. Partly depends if it's in a place that can be vandalised. -- Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee" John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII |
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Amos E Wolfe wrote: Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Probably only with a battery inbetween that gets charged up during daylight hours. |
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Amos E Wolfe wrote: I have a small allotment where the only source of water is the adjacent river. Nearest tap water supply is about ¼ mile away. I have a couple of 45-gallon (205-litre) drums which I can fill from the river and then fill watering cans from these. I have seen solar powered pumps for use in ponds and I was wondering if there was a suitable product on the market that might fit my requirements. The immersible one from Bull electrical might but it would stand no chance on solar power (a decent panel and controller would be hugely expensive). Item AC8 on http://www.bullnet.co.uk/shops/test/solar.htm You need to power it from a rechargable lead acid battery (they sell them too or try Maplins). It isn't cost effective to use solar power for this. I tried once... 17ft head of water at zero flow rate or 7 L/minute at zero height needs 12v 1.5A. I use one to pressurise my irrigation system from a water butt. Mine has stood the test of time but I don't have to lift much height. It doesn't have to be that powerful as it can fill up gradually while I am working. It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. Alternatively a battery powered pump could be used with one of those trickle-charge solar panels usually used for car batteries. Cost of the solar panels will outweight any advantage. Easier and cheaper to have a 12v 6Ah lead acid battery that you take home to recharge every 4 hours of pump use. My irrigation system uses an 18Ah battery and lasts a couple of months between recharging. I don't have to carry it very far (fortunately). Regards, Martin Brown |
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Amos E Wolfe wrote:
It does however need to raise the water from the river by about 6-10 feet (head of water) depending on the level of the water in the river. I don;t goove that river would be fast enough flowing for a hydrauolic ram, and suspect that wind power would be what you want. Except that in the dog days of summer when you need water most the wind will be missing. You could ask for advice at: http://www.cat.org.uk/information/information.tmpl This looks like fun: http://www.gamos.demon.co.uk/just%20...e/henkfnl2.htm You can buy some very good mains powered submsersible pumps that would do the job easily, and run one for half an hour or so off a portable generator. Or you could spend zome zbarl: http://www.marlec.co.uk/products/prods/rutpump_kit.htm |
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