Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.


Mark

wrote in message
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Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.
Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.
Mark

useful sites ??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/mid/sites...ifetrust.shtml
http://www.cymruarywe.org/cayw/index/en/551/457
http://www.llgc.org.uk/lp/lp0228.htm
Jenny

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Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.



Would that be Little Marloes Farm in Pembrokeshire, by any chance?

Wherever it is, I'd advise contacting the local Wildlife Trust, who I'm sure
would be only too pleased to give you the benefit of their local knowledge
and expertise.

wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.



Mark/Geoff/Pete or whatever you call yourself today, try minimal management.
Mostly try not to ****-off your neighbours by changing your name, being
unsociable or being caught on a lie. Respect yourself while being politic
and your neighbours will respect you. Being an arse in your own environment
only has so much positive personal value. It probably backfires badly in the
medium and long term.
Respect local traditions and values and do not impose yours on locals.
Realise that the culture and even the language is probably very different
from your own. If you have young school aged children, do realise that they
will be taught exclusively through the medium of the Welsh language until [I
think] eight years old and you may not have a choice in this over most of
the area bar the very South of Pembrokeshire which is unfortunately very
anglicised. Remember, if you are an incomer, that you are in fact in a
foreign country and try to integrate socially as best you can so as to get
the best out of your stay.

Huw

"Huw" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.



Mark/Geoff/Pete or whatever you call yourself today, try minimal
management. Mostly try not to ****-off your neighbours by changing your
name, being unsociable or being caught on a lie. Respect yourself while
being politic and your neighbours will respect you. Being an arse in your
own environment only has so much positive personal value. It probably
backfires badly in the medium and long term.
Respect local traditions and values and do not impose yours on locals.
Realise that the culture and even the language is probably very different
from your own. If you have young school aged children, do realise that
they will be taught exclusively through the medium of the Welsh language
until [I think] eight years old and you may not have a choice in this over
most of the area bar the very South of Pembrokeshire which is
unfortunately very anglicised. Remember, if you are an incomer, that you
are in fact in a foreign country and try to integrate socially as best you
can so as to get the best out of your stay.


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When we were
there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it never really had
been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)
I think that Pembrokeshire could be the 'prettiest' part of Wales, the scale
is more Human when compared to north Wales which has more grandeur.
It struck me as the difference between the Lake District and big chunks of
the Highlands.

Jim Webster

Jim Webster wrote:


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When
we were there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it
never really had been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)

We call them "the down bellow's". Very different from "the up above's".

Huw

"Huw" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster wrote:


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When
we were there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it
never really had been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)

We call them "the down bellow's". Very different from "the up above's".

Huw

certainly I wouldn't disagree with the very different tag. It was
interesting that they seemed happy in their difference as well. I suspect
that it was a simple way of ensuring community identity

Jim Webster

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:40:11 +0100, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"Huw" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.

Are there Choughs on that part of the coast these days? If not, would
you like some? A specific species of ant is involved AFAICR.

Mark/Geoff/Pete or whatever you call yourself today, try minimal
management. Mostly try not to ****-off your neighbours by changing your
name, being unsociable or being caught on a lie. Respect yourself while
being politic and your neighbours will respect you. Being an arse in your
own environment only has so much positive personal value. It probably
backfires badly in the medium and long term.
Respect local traditions and values and do not impose yours on locals.
Realise that the culture and even the language is probably very different
from your own. If you have young school aged children, do realise that
they will be taught exclusively through the medium of the Welsh language
until [I think] eight years old and you may not have a choice in this over
most of the area bar the very South of Pembrokeshire which is
unfortunately very anglicised. Remember, if you are an incomer, that you
are in fact in a foreign country and try to integrate socially as best you
can so as to get the best out of your stay.


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When we were
there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it never really had
been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)
I think that Pembrokeshire could be the 'prettiest' part of Wales, the scale
is more Human when compared to north Wales which has more grandeur.
It struck me as the difference between the Lake District and big chunks of
the Highlands.

Calling the Prescelis "mountains" is a bit OTT, I've seen bigger
molehills . . .

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:29:24 +0100, Albert Ross
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:40:11 +0100, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"Huw" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.

Are there Choughs on that part of the coast these days? If not, would
you like some? A specific species of ant is involved AFAICR.

Mark/Geoff/Pete or whatever you call yourself today, try minimal
management. Mostly try not to ****-off your neighbours by changing your
name, being unsociable or being caught on a lie. Respect yourself while
being politic and your neighbours will respect you. Being an arse in your
own environment only has so much positive personal value. It probably
backfires badly in the medium and long term.
Respect local traditions and values and do not impose yours on locals.
Realise that the culture and even the language is probably very different
from your own. If you have young school aged children, do realise that
they will be taught exclusively through the medium of the Welsh language
until [I think] eight years old and you may not have a choice in this over
most of the area bar the very South of Pembrokeshire which is
unfortunately very anglicised. Remember, if you are an incomer, that you
are in fact in a foreign country and try to integrate socially as best you
can so as to get the best out of your stay.


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When we were
there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it never really had
been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)
I think that Pembrokeshire could be the 'prettiest' part of Wales, the scale
is more Human when compared to north Wales which has more grandeur.
It struck me as the difference between the Lake District and big chunks of
the Highlands.

Calling the Prescelis "mountains" is a bit OTT, I've seen bigger
molehills . . .


They call the relative pimples in Arrochar in Scotland, the "Arrochar
Alps" :-)


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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news
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:29:24 +0100, Albert Ross
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:40:11 +0100, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"Huw" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.

Are there Choughs on that part of the coast these days? If not, would
you like some? A specific species of ant is involved AFAICR.

Mark/Geoff/Pete or whatever you call yourself today, try minimal
management. Mostly try not to ****-off your neighbours by changing your
name, being unsociable or being caught on a lie. Respect yourself while
being politic and your neighbours will respect you. Being an arse in
your
own environment only has so much positive personal value. It probably
backfires badly in the medium and long term.
Respect local traditions and values and do not impose yours on locals.
Realise that the culture and even the language is probably very
different
from your own. If you have young school aged children, do realise that
they will be taught exclusively through the medium of the Welsh
language
until [I think] eight years old and you may not have a choice in this
over
most of the area bar the very South of Pembrokeshire which is
unfortunately very anglicised. Remember, if you are an incomer, that
you
are in fact in a foreign country and try to integrate socially as best
you
can so as to get the best out of your stay.


yes, Little England beyond Wales, as the locals still call it. When we
were
there last year Welsh wasn't spoken, pretty well because it never really
had
been, (since about 1100-1200 or thereabouts)
I think that Pembrokeshire could be the 'prettiest' part of Wales, the
scale
is more Human when compared to north Wales which has more grandeur.
It struck me as the difference between the Lake District and big chunks
of
the Highlands.

Calling the Prescelis "mountains" is a bit OTT, I've seen bigger
molehills . . .


They call the relative pimples in Arrochar in Scotland, the "Arrochar
Alps" :-)



there are alps just outside Ulverston which barely warrant being called
hills!
I suspect it derives from the meaning "hill pasture" or 'mountain pasture'

Jim Webster

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:45:49 +0100, "Huw"
wrote:

wrote:
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.



Mark/Geoff/Pete

**** off trollo!

Hi,
If it works now you could try this site
www.nhm.ac.uk/fff/intro.html

Put in your post code and it will give a list of indigenous plants.
unfortunately at present it seems to have gone down, I hope it's only
temporary
regards
Cineman


wrote in message
...
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Countryside surrounding, with non intensive farming locally.

Any hints, tips or ideas via email please.


Mark

wrote in message
...
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.


Leave it alone. Keep people and domestic animals off it as much as is
possible and legal. The wildlife will know what to do with it.

Steve

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:04:49 +0100, "shazzbat"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
Hello all.

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.


Leave it alone. Keep people and domestic animals off it as much as is
possible and legal. The wildlife will know what to do with it.

Steve


Couldn't agree more!


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:04:49 +0100, "shazzbat"
wrote:

wrote in message
...

I have recently acquired a small plot of a few hectares of coastal
(cliff top) land, and should like to maximize it's benefit to
wildlife, in a relatively unmanaged environment.

Leave it alone. Keep people and domestic animals off it as much as is
possible and legal. The wildlife will know what to do with it.

My feeling is that if you leave it to nature, the most suitable
vegetation will grow all on its own, and the wildlife around there
will appreciate that.
--
Terry Harper
URL: http://www.btinternet.com/~terry.harper/