"Geoff" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:25:48 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...
'Mike' wrote:
Some people stopped eating meat to protect their health while others
out of concern for the cruel treatment of animals.


"SOME"

I am so glad you put that in. And how many, or what % of the population
would that be? 2%? 5%? even 10%? (which I doubt) which still leaves a huge
majority not on your wavelength :-))

I hope you don't think the silent majority support animal abuse? As
the pro hunt loons found out, the silent majority counts for a lot.
--


:-)

Very clever way to get out of what I was saying about the % of the
population who are not meat eaters.

Very difficult for you to stick to an argument, which by your own
observation, must be that more people eat meat than do not :-)))

Mike


--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

dh@. wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:03:20 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"Burkie" wrote in message
roups.com...
Dear Geoff: We have never met, but the tacit reaction to "go veggie"
is yours, not mine.


pete is the one who told us to buy tesco salmon

Why?


because he is a troll?

Jim Webster

wrote in message
oups.com...
'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
. They are also
poisoning the public because of unhealthy conditions inherent to
factory farming.


???????????????????

Have you seen some of the videos?

Considering that there are more meat eaters in this country that veggies,
can you please explain to me, why, if the meat industry is 'poisoning the
public', the public in general are living a lot longer and as proof, the
pensionable age is to be raised because of the shortfall in pension
funds?

People live longer not because but in spite of meat they consume. We
see more and more frequent bans of meat imports due to health risks.

actually we see a lot of bans on vegetable products for the same reason,

Jim Webster

Dear Jim: I certainly agree with your statement. Let's ask these
people like Geoff, just who and what they are, what gives them the
right to tear apart whole industries to satisfy their own predilections
to destroy the livelihoods of those who provide them the very
necessities of life?

Burkie
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Webster wrote:
"'Mike'" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com...
. They are also
poisoning the public because of unhealthy conditions inherent to
factory farming.


???????????????????

Considering that there are more meat eaters in this country that veggies,
can you please explain to me, why, if the meat industry is 'poisoning the
public', the public in general are living a lot longer and as proof, the
pensionable age is to be raised because of the shortfall in pension funds?

Thank you

Mike
70 and going strong :-))


hate to say it Mike but you are asking them to justify a deeply held
religious belief, and they find it difficult to do, especially when you look
at their evidence and it doesn't stand up

Jim Webster

Hey there....now you are calling me names. I don't really appreciate
that, but then you did and stated it. I have been Burkie
forever....ever since I was born. My father was, too. So was my
grandfather.

So ...fly your kite somewhere else. Whatever a Burk in your country
means, means nothing to me.

By the way, your insistence about "Go Veggie" is yours, not mine. I
reserve the right to disagree with you.

However, due to your persistent nature to try and intimidate me,
playing the innuendo game of name-calling, go right ahead. You won't
score any points doing that, certainly not read as a positive to those
who particpate on this group......actually makes you look a little bit
foolish, if not childish.

Burkie (and damn proud of my nick-name.....well-known and
well-respected.)

Geoff wrote:
On 6 Jan 2007 13:20:32 -0800, "Burk" wrote:

Dear Geoff: We have never met, but the tacit reaction to "go veggie"
is yours, not mine. I'll die and go to heaven having whatever meat I
want to eat. That's not to say, I don't disagree with your position
of choice....it's your choice. So don't make me feel threatened by
your comments, because I am not. Granted, you have your choice, I have
mine, but you try to thrust your opinions and comments on a group of
people , here, that are trying to make a living producing food for the
Public. Companies like Perdigao, Sadia, Smithfield and your retailers
must think good of you, because your insistence upon a veg diet still
requires you to patronize some of them as your source.

Why attempt to discredit honest, hard-working livestock producers? Or
is that your fetal attempt to do so?

Must make you feel good.

Must make veggie's taste better to you, knowing you are trying to
destroy other people's livings.

But that's easy for you to come off on those that have made significant
investments in facilities and equipment, who try to comply with the
non-sensical EU rules in your country, then buy produce imported from
who-knows-where.

I have an attitude, but it doesn't agree with yours.

You're an arse! My advice was free, my suggestions open. Take it or
leave it. No need for your short, fat legs, to try and get on a high
horse!

I imagine the majority of farmers are hardworking decent folks, trying
to earn a buck. Unlike the bullies here, who earn a living off state
benefits, whether they work or not. A hard days work would kill the
likes of webster and co, maybe that's why they have such a chip on
their shoulders.

Get over yourself Burkie, stop living up to your name!



Burkie
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:39:13 -0000, "Pat Gardiner"
wrote:

Pat's Note: This report published in FWi yesterday will not surprise anyone.

However, it is effective confirmation that PMWS sick pigs are entering the
food chain in the UK with seemingly the full approval of veterinarians and
the British authorities.

In fairness it is hard to see how they could keep them out, and the openness
is to be commended, even if it does send a shiver down the spine.

(Actually, I do wonder if some recent veterinary reports are deliberately
designed to make quite sure that Maff-Defra can't just blame the RCVS and
pig industry and walk away from the gathering crisis.)

Quote

6) Septic pleurisy. Since the arrival of PMWS on most UK farms there has
been a rise in severe pleurisy lesions, which in the most severe form can
set up abscessation within the musculature of the rib cage. If restricted
to this area, trimming may be possible with only partial carcass rejection.
Where infection has spread beyond the thorax (chest) whole carcass
condemnation is likely.

I have no doubt, given the filthy conditions in farming today, that
infected food is reaching our tables. It would go some way to
explaining the surge in illness.

Go veggie.

Unquote

http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2007/0...mber-2006.html

Special Reports

You are in: Home Special Reports Animal Health
NADIS Pig Disease Focus - December 2006

05/01/2007 12:00:00

FWi

NADIS is a network of 40 veterinary practices and six veterinary colleges
monitoring diseases of cattle, sheep and pigs in the UK.
NADIS data can highlight potential livestock disease and parasite incidences
before they peak, providing a valuable early warning for the month ahead.
NADIS disease bulletins are written specifically for farmers, to increase
awareness of prevalent conditions and promote disease prevention and
control, in order to benefit animal health and welfare. Farmers are advised
to discuss their individual farm circumstances with their veterinary
surgeon.

NADIS Pig Disease Focus - December 2006

Whole Carcass Condemnation

Mark White BVSc DPM MRCVS



--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid's brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid's brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

"Burkie" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dear Jim: I certainly agree with your statement. Let's ask these
people like Geoff, just who and what they are, what gives them the
right to tear apart whole industries to satisfy their own predilections
to destroy the livelihoods of those who provide them the very
necessities of life?

Burkie

waste of time, as pete is either a troll, who just says it to wind you up,
or a crank in which case he doesn't care anyway

more sense to look at the figures, more and more people in the world are
consuming more meat every year
but with the way that grain is going in bioethanol, and the way that oil
prices are going up, a lot of people in the apparently prosperous west are
suddenly going to discover that the vegetarian protein sources and more
interesting vegetables they are used to are going to become awfully
expensive.
I wonder how many will be keen on being vegetarian when their only
vegetables are those that grow seasonally in England

the petes of this world are going to discover that they can ignore reality
for as long as they like, but reality will not ignore them

The coarse fisherman could well eat better than they do in the next few
years ;-)

Jim Webster

"Burkie" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hey there....now you are calling me names. I don't really appreciate
that, but then you did and stated it. I have been Burkie
forever....ever since I was born. My father was, too. So was my
grandfather.

So ...fly your kite somewhere else. Whatever a Burk in your country
means, means nothing to me.

By the way, your insistence about "Go Veggie" is yours, not mine. I
reserve the right to disagree with you.


not with pete you don't. You are dealing with someone who is either just a
troll and loves to play at winding you up, or else he is a bona fida member
of the corpse reburial society and if you disagree with his views he
reserves the right to come round and dig up your granny

Jim Webster

If this idiot digs up my granny, you will see WW3. happen very quickly,
Jim.

Jim Webster wrote:
"Burkie" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hey there....now you are calling me names. I don't really appreciate
that, but then you did and stated it. I have been Burkie
forever....ever since I was born. My father was, too. So was my
grandfather.

So ...fly your kite somewhere else. Whatever a Burk in your country
means, means nothing to me.

By the way, your insistence about "Go Veggie" is yours, not mine. I
reserve the right to disagree with you.


not with pete you don't. You are dealing with someone who is either just a
troll and loves to play at winding you up, or else he is a bona fida member
of the corpse reburial society and if you disagree with his views he
reserves the right to come round and dig up your granny

Jim Webster

On 7 Jan 2007 22:49:07 -0800, "Burkie" wrote:

Dear Jim: I certainly agree with your statement. Let's ask these
people like Geoff, just who and what they are, what gives them the
right to tear apart whole industries to satisfy their own predilections
to destroy the livelihoods of those who provide them the very
necessities of life?

Burkie

The right to protect myself, my family, friends and the planet is
written in my conscience. Just as it's your choice to do the opposite.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Webster wrote:
"'Mike'" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com...
. They are also
poisoning the public because of unhealthy conditions inherent to
factory farming.


???????????????????

Considering that there are more meat eaters in this country that veggies,
can you please explain to me, why, if the meat industry is 'poisoning the
public', the public in general are living a lot longer and as proof, the
pensionable age is to be raised because of the shortfall in pension funds?

Thank you

Mike
70 and going strong :-))


hate to say it Mike but you are asking them to justify a deeply held
religious belief, and they find it difficult to do, especially when you look
at their evidence and it doesn't stand up

Jim Webster

--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid’s brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

On 7 Jan 2007 22:58:37 -0800, "Burkie" wrote:

Hey there....now you are calling me names. I don't really appreciate
that, but then you did and stated it. I have been Burkie
forever....ever since I was born. My father was, too. So was my
grandfather.

So ...fly your kite somewhere else. Whatever a Burk in your country
means, means nothing to me.

You said it!


By the way, your insistence about "Go Veggie" is yours, not mine.

It's free advice.

I
reserve the right to disagree with you.

You are perfectly entitled to.


However, due to your persistent nature to try and intimidate me,
playing the innuendo game of name-calling, go right ahead. You won't
score any points doing that, certainly not read as a positive to those
who particpate on this group......actually makes you look a little bit
foolish, if not childish.

Don't be a silly Billy Burkie.

Burkie (and damn proud of my nick-name.....well-known and
well-respected.)

Nothing special here!


Geoff wrote:
On 6 Jan 2007 13:20:32 -0800, "Burk" wrote:

Dear Geoff: We have never met, but the tacit reaction to "go veggie"
is yours, not mine. I'll die and go to heaven having whatever meat I
want to eat. That's not to say, I don't disagree with your position
of choice....it's your choice. So don't make me feel threatened by
your comments, because I am not. Granted, you have your choice, I have
mine, but you try to thrust your opinions and comments on a group of
people , here, that are trying to make a living producing food for the
Public. Companies like Perdigao, Sadia, Smithfield and your retailers
must think good of you, because your insistence upon a veg diet still
requires you to patronize some of them as your source.

Why attempt to discredit honest, hard-working livestock producers? Or
is that your fetal attempt to do so?

Must make you feel good.

Must make veggie's taste better to you, knowing you are trying to
destroy other people's livings.

But that's easy for you to come off on those that have made significant
investments in facilities and equipment, who try to comply with the
non-sensical EU rules in your country, then buy produce imported from
who-knows-where.

I have an attitude, but it doesn't agree with yours.

You're an arse! My advice was free, my suggestions open. Take it or
leave it. No need for your short, fat legs, to try and get on a high
horse!

I imagine the majority of farmers are hardworking decent folks, trying
to earn a buck. Unlike the bullies here, who earn a living off state
benefits, whether they work or not. A hard days work would kill the
likes of webster and co, maybe that's why they have such a chip on
their shoulders.

Get over yourself Burkie, stop living up to your name!



Burkie
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:39:13 -0000, "Pat Gardiner"
wrote:

Pat's Note: This report published in FWi yesterday will not surprise anyone.

However, it is effective confirmation that PMWS sick pigs are entering the
food chain in the UK with seemingly the full approval of veterinarians and
the British authorities.

In fairness it is hard to see how they could keep them out, and the openness
is to be commended, even if it does send a shiver down the spine.

(Actually, I do wonder if some recent veterinary reports are deliberately
designed to make quite sure that Maff-Defra can't just blame the RCVS and
pig industry and walk away from the gathering crisis.)

Quote

6) Septic pleurisy. Since the arrival of PMWS on most UK farms there has
been a rise in severe pleurisy lesions, which in the most severe form can
set up abscessation within the musculature of the rib cage. If restricted
to this area, trimming may be possible with only partial carcass rejection.
Where infection has spread beyond the thorax (chest) whole carcass
condemnation is likely.

I have no doubt, given the filthy conditions in farming today, that
infected food is reaching our tables. It would go some way to
explaining the surge in illness.

Go veggie.

Unquote

http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2007/0...mber-2006.html

Special Reports

You are in: Home Special Reports Animal Health
NADIS Pig Disease Focus - December 2006

05/01/2007 12:00:00

FWi

NADIS is a network of 40 veterinary practices and six veterinary colleges
monitoring diseases of cattle, sheep and pigs in the UK.
NADIS data can highlight potential livestock disease and parasite incidences
before they peak, providing a valuable early warning for the month ahead.
NADIS disease bulletins are written specifically for farmers, to increase
awareness of prevalent conditions and promote disease prevention and
control, in order to benefit animal health and welfare. Farmers are advised
to discuss their individual farm circumstances with their veterinary
surgeon.

NADIS Pig Disease Focus - December 2006

Whole Carcass Condemnation

Mark White BVSc DPM MRCVS



--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid's brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid's brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid’s brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

On 8 Jan 2007 00:05:52 -0800, "Burkie" wrote:

If this idiot digs up my granny, you will see WW3. happen very quickly,
Jim.

Stop groveling you snotty nosed twerp. It's embarrassing.

Jim Webster wrote:
"Burkie" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hey there....now you are calling me names. I don't really appreciate
that, but then you did and stated it. I have been Burkie
forever....ever since I was born. My father was, too. So was my
grandfather.

So ...fly your kite somewhere else. Whatever a Burk in your country
means, means nothing to me.

By the way, your insistence about "Go Veggie" is yours, not mine. I
reserve the right to disagree with you.


not with pete you don't. You are dealing with someone who is either just a
troll and loves to play at winding you up, or else he is a bona fida member
of the corpse reburial society and if you disagree with his views he
reserves the right to come round and dig up your granny

Jim Webster

--


***************************
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you
spare yourself the sight."
- Albert Schweitzer

Check out Animal Aid’s brand new one-minute video.
This powerful film, containing shocking images,
just begs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Help raise awareness by sending it to your friends
and family. http://tinyurl.com/yjmxo2






The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing

1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
10.I can't spare the time .

"Burkie" wrote in message
ups.com...
If this idiot digs up my granny, you will see WW3. happen very quickly,
Jim.


that is the sort of idiot you are dealing with when you talk to UK animal
rights activists

Jim Webster

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:16:25 -0000, "Jim Webster" wrote:


dh@. wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:03:20 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"Burkie" wrote in message
groups.com...
Dear Geoff: We have never met, but the tacit reaction to "go veggie"
is yours, not mine.


pete is the one who told us to buy tesco salmon

Why?


because he is a troll?

Jim Webster

Well in a way we all are, but why would someone who wants to be
thought of as promoting veg*nism suggest that anyone should buy
salmon? And from a particular company?

On 7 Jan 2007 08:04:39 -0800, wrote:

Why attempt to discredit honest, hard-working livestock producers? Or
is that your fetal attempt to do so?

There is nothing honest about the meat industry trying to keep from the
public the cruel conditions of factory farming

How do you think they're doing that? Maybe by hiding it from
National Geographic? But you don't want that stuff shown anyway
do you? Or do you only want non-human animals killing each to be
restricted? Would you allow humans killing humans, and demand
humans killing animals, while preventing other animals killing animals?
Would you enjoy other animals killing humans?

and rendering of animals

They don't suffer from the rendering, because by then they're dead.

that suffer greatly because of desire to make more profit while denying
helpless animals their God given right to natural life.

· The meat industry includes habitats in which a small
variety of animals are raised. The animals in those
habitats, as those in any other, are completely dependant
on them to not only sustain their lives, but they also
depend on them to provide the pairing of sperm and egg
that begins their particular existence. Those animals will
only live if people continue to raise them for food.

Animals that are born to other groups--such as wild
animals, pets, performing animals, etc.--are completely
different groups of animals. Regardless of how many or few
animals are born to these other groups, the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence. ·

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:34:25 +0000, Geoff wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:18:55 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:

wrote in message
roups.com...
. They are also
poisoning the public because of unhealthy conditions inherent to
factory farming.


???????????????????

Considering that there are more meat eaters in this country that veggies,
can you please explain to me, why, if the meat industry is 'poisoning the
public', the public in general are living a lot longer and as proof, the
pensionable age is to be raised because of the shortfall in pension funds?


Some are living longer, some arent. Many are dying far too early.
Cancers, CJD, Dementia etc.

Doesn't stuff like that kill vegans?

Just because you're alright Jack, doesnt mean it's alright.