Here's the prostate rosemary Noe I knew off, thanks to a chap in a
french gardening forum. And I found better to find a padded cell
Martin, I've just finished building another compost bin, cleaned our
pond of leaves (without disturbing lots and lots of frog spawns) and
moved tons of sand bags.

Feeling much better now ;o)

http://nature.jardin.free.fr/arbriss...marin_ret.html

On 23/2/07 15:00, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:

Here's the prostate rosemary Noe I knew off, thanks to a chap in a
french gardening forum. And I found better to find a padded cell
Martin, I've just finished building another compost bin, cleaned our
pond of leaves (without disturbing lots and lots of frog spawns) and
moved tons of sand bags.

Feeling much better now ;o)

http://nature.jardin.free.fr/arbriss...marin_ret.html

In your reply to David Poole (IIRC) you said
"On a
french gardening forum I've contacted a chap who I have met in France
and he has never heard of 'de noe' but knows 'noe'. When I gave him
the description he was certain that this could indeed fit the bill."

What he truly says is:


In ups.com,
La puce typed:
D'apres vous est ce que c'est un Rosmarinus lavandulaceus Noe ou autre
chose? Merci.

http://cjoint.com/?cwx74fN8Tn

Difficile à dire avec la définition de la photo. C'est possible. Je ne
connaissait pas ce synonyme du romarin rampant ( 'sont compliqués ces
botanistes ). Le mien me semble avoir des branches plus tortueuses que la
plante qui est sur ce cliché.
Pourrait-on avoir une photo plus rapprochée, où l'on distingue feuilles et
fleurs ?
--
Laurent Ginarouge
In science, beauty. In beauty, science. Daily.
http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/


IOW, like Burncoose and Olivier Filippi, he does not commit himself to
backing up your latest contention that this is the rosemary called 'Noe' and
you are grossly misleading us by saying that he has said it could "indeed
fit the bill". He has said no more than 'it's possible' but that to him,
his plant's branches appear different to the plant in Salcombe. So far you
have insisted on 20th February that this will turn out to be Blue Rain, a
little before that you were quite certain it was Jackman's Prostrate and
yesterday, on this group you were 'sure' it must be Noe.

IMO, it is important that anyone who comes to this group asking for the ID
of a plant knows that *most* members are scrupulous about admitting when
they don't know the exact name of a plant and offer only suggestions, not
varying insistences.

I am replying to this only to show the group the depths to which you will
stoop to get your way. Your tantrums and screaming matches will no doubt
follow as the night the day and you can get on with them.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...

I am replying to this only to show the group



your superiority complex :-((

How sad :-(

Mike


--
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Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

On 23 Feb, 18:30, "'Mike'" wrote:
your superiority complex :-((
How sad :-(

Mike don't. You've been here longer and suffered this woman longer
than us - your posts only brings the one liner idiots wondering the
corridors of usenet. It's entertaining, but sometimes it's annoying.
We all read like you do, beleive me, you are not the only one. She is
actually enjoying this - just look at the uk.food forum - she does the
same there and constantly corners the same people. It's like she's
feeding on this superiority thing. Let her be. She'll only be
remembered for this.

"La Puce" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 23 Feb, 18:30, "'Mike'" wrote:
your superiority complex :-((
How sad :-(

Mike don't. You've been here longer and suffered this woman longer
than us - your posts only brings the one liner idiots wondering the
corridors of usenet. It's entertaining, but sometimes it's annoying.
We all read like you do, beleive me, you are not the only one. She is
actually enjoying this - just look at the uk.food forum - she does the
same there and constantly corners the same people. It's like she's
feeding on this superiority thing. Let her be. She'll only be
remembered for this.


More to be pitied would you say?

Mike

--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

On 23 Feb, 18:05, Sacha wrote:
I am replying to this only to show the group ... (snip)

.... how truly nasty piece of work you are. And you've managed it,
again.

It's not Laurent who said to me first about Noe, but Sogoz, by phone.
I happen to know people Sacha. Second I put this link in this morning
in the hope to establish if Noe would indeed be the same as the photo
you provided of Salcombe. I have from the start told you it was a
prostratus Jackman's, or a Blue Rain. You don't post the second post
of Laurent who says that name changes and I wonder why? Would that
make me look different and not like you'd like to portray me?

From David Poole very interesting post, he also states that Jackman's
could have indeed be a Noe, and changed names, which is something you
have also suggested, with a lenghthy x y and z formula plus a lesson
in latin name. I have never said the contrary either.

I know what have said and others have to and I know what I am doing. I
do not understand the 'tone' which you think I have when I write. I do
not understand what you are going to with this or why you are doing
it. Though it makes you look a bit strange. You will not rest until I
say something which would only encourage you to go on and on which I
will certainly not fall for. I have never insulted David Poole nor
Bruncoose nursery as you've stated in your last post on the 'more
rosemary'. I have not insulted you either though I think you are
really really sad. You think I tantrum but forgive me for saying, I'm
a grown up now. You on the other hand will carry on insulting my
intelligence and that does frustrate me, but this might just about to
change into pity for you really.

Please, go away and start a thread about your husband or something,
but let us all be who we are. This forum is not Sacha Hubbard's forum,
but many other people's forum with a rich and varied life. Just think
about this and stop making a fool of yourself.

"La Puce" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 23 Feb, 18:05, Sacha wrote:
I am replying to this only to show the group ... (snip)

... how truly nasty piece of work you are. And you've managed it,
again.


and a liar too.

and a 'stirrer' reference her claim that I said I was the President of the
Royal Air Forces Association :-(( a quick Google search would show that
statement to be wholly untrue. She is a trouble maker :-((

Mike


--
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Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

"'Mike'" wrote
and a 'stirrer' reference her claim that I said I was the President of
the Royal Air Forces Association :-(( a quick Google search would show
that statement to be wholly untrue. She is a trouble maker :-((

You've harped on ad nauseam about that, but I recall the thread. You did
post making it appear that you were claiming exactly that, but it
wasn't Sacha who pulled you up on what you wrote - check it for
yourself. The archive shows it as the one from August 2006 titled "Just
a thought re pic posting". See posts numbers 46, 47 & 48 et al.

Names in square brackets added to distinguish who wrote what. The
relevant parts being :

quote[M Crowe]:
one of three photos taken at a huge RAF parade at RAF Cosford on Sunday
June 25th. Mrs Simms, wife of Air Commodore Simm OBE, Commanding Officer
of RAF Cosford, Mrs Magee, wife of the Chairman of the RAF Association,
and my wife, wife of the President of the RAF Association, that's me,
were all presented with a beautiful basket of flowers. I could have put
that up couldn't I? But I won't because binaries are not allowed by the
charter :-))
/quote

Someone called 'Fisherman', not Sacha, asked:

quote[Fisherman]:
So you are President of the RAF Association are you.
Why should they make you President when you have never been in the RAF.
Come to that you were never really in the Navy, only in a shore training
base.
/quote

To which you replied:

quote[Fisherman]:
So you are President of the RAF Association are you.

[M Crowe]:

Yes

[Fisherman]:
Why should they make you President when you have never been in the
RAF.

[M Crowe]:
Because I founded the Association by request a few years ago and when I
stood down from Membership Secretary and Chairman before I went away on
my World Cruise in January, they made me President :-))
/quote

--
Sue

Nice one Sue. Now why aren't I surprised to see proof that it is the
sand-sailor who is the liar?

"Sue" wrote in message
...


How convenient.

How so terribly convenient that by selective snipping and exclusions, you
have failed to post the explanation I gave about RAFA, the Royal Air Forces
Association, and the RAF Association of which I was the founder and whose
day it was all about.

How so very very convenient.

Now lets add a little more and bring you up to date even more.

Earlier this month, Princess Anne opened the Cold War Museum at Cosford and
was by invitation only. As President of the RAF Association I founded, and
whose members were very much involved during the Cold War, I was of course
invited but declined for two reasons. 1) It was a bit too far to go just for
the day and I had no reason or time to make a couple of days of it, but more
importantly 2) Invitations were limited and as I was ex Royal Navy, I felt
that for more worthy people than me amongst the membership should be offered
the invitation, which they did.

Selective snipping, doesn't it just show people up?

DO have a nice day

Mike
Oh by the way, please observe my sig. NOTHING in there about RAFA at all
:-))

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Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

On 24/2/07 00:51, in article
, "Sue"
wrote:


"'Mike'" wrote
and a 'stirrer' reference her claim that I said I was the President of
the Royal Air Forces Association :-(( a quick Google search would show
that statement to be wholly untrue. She is a trouble maker :-((

You've harped on ad nauseam about that, but I recall the thread. You did
post making it appear that you were claiming exactly that, but it
wasn't Sacha who pulled you up on what you wrote - check it for
yourself. The archive shows it as the one from August 2006 titled "Just
a thought re pic posting". See posts numbers 46, 47 & 48 et al.

Names in square brackets added to distinguish who wrote what. The
relevant parts being :

quote[M Crowe]:
one of three photos taken at a huge RAF parade at RAF Cosford on Sunday
June 25th. Mrs Simms, wife of Air Commodore Simm OBE, Commanding Officer
of RAF Cosford, Mrs Magee, wife of the Chairman of the RAF Association,
and my wife, wife of the President of the RAF Association, that's me,
were all presented with a beautiful basket of flowers. I could have put
that up couldn't I? But I won't because binaries are not allowed by the
charter :-))
/quote

Someone called 'Fisherman', not Sacha, asked:

quote[Fisherman]:
So you are President of the RAF Association are you.
Why should they make you President when you have never been in the RAF.
Come to that you were never really in the Navy, only in a shore training
base.
/quote

To which you replied:

quote[Fisherman]:
So you are President of the RAF Association are you.

[M Crowe]:

Yes

[Fisherman]:
Why should they make you President when you have never been in the
RAF.

[M Crowe]:
Because I founded the Association by request a few years ago and when I
stood down from Membership Secretary and Chairman before I went away on
my World Cruise in January, they made me President :-))
/quote

Good heavens. And there was me thinking it was only the war in Iraq, third
world hunger and the common cold I was responsible for. ;-)) Thank you,
Sue.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On Feb 23, 6:39 pm, "La Puce" wrote:

It's not Laurent who said to me first about Noe, but Sogoz, by phone.

Ah so another of your 'friends' now enters the fray. Conveniently for
you, the telephone call can't be recorded for all to see in the same
way as a response on a web forum.

I happen to know people Sacha. Second I put this link in this morning
in the hope to establish if Noe would indeed be the same as the photo
you provided of Salcombe. I have from the start told you it was a
prostratus Jackman's, or a Blue Rain. You don't post the second post
of Laurent who says that name changes and I wonder why? Would that
make me look different and not like you'd like to portray me?

Name changes are irrelevant in respect of the fact that 'Blue Rain' is
not the plant in question. You can't get around that. IOW you cannot
say it is something that it isn't.

I have never insulted David Poole nor
Bruncoose nursery as you've stated in your last post on the 'more
rosemary'.

Sacha did NOT say that you had insulted men NOR did she say that you
had insulted Burncoose.

She said: :"Having known David rather longer than you have, I can
assure you that if he
sees the need he can be just as trenchant and brusque as you might
wish."

Which is perfectly true and at this moment, I see the need so I'm
going to continue being trenchant and brusque particularly where you
are concerned.

As far as Burncoose is concerned, she was pointing out the fact that
you repeatedly spell it as 'Bruncoose' - IOW you get the 'r' and 'u'
in the wrong order.

I have not insulted you either though I think you are
really really sad.

Listen to yourself you stupid woman. You contradict yourself in a
single sentence. Just what is the matter with you?

You think I tantrum but forgive me for saying, I'm
a grown up now. You on the other hand will carry on insulting my
intelligence and that does frustrate me ...

Well maybe that is because any intelligence you may have appears to be
wholly absent in the way you pursue your argument.

...but this might just about to change into pity for you really.

Yet again you continue to insult.

Please, go away and start a thread about your husband or something.

No, here's a better suggestion. Why don't you stop insulting
everyone's intelligence with your bizarre contortions and confusions
of reality. Failing that, you go away!

This forum is not Sacha Hubbard's forum,
but many other people's forum with a rich and varied life. Just think
about this and stop making a fool of yourself.

No-one, least of all Sacha, has ever stated or intimated that it is
'her' forum. You on the other hand frequently interrupt discussion
with inane suggestions and incorrect or barely half understood
information. When this is pointed out, you erupt into a frenzied fury,
condemning all who dare to contradict. It is you who is making a fool
of yourself.

On 24 Feb, 08:36, "Dave Poole" wrote:
Ah so another of your 'friends' now enters the fray. Conveniently for
you, the telephone call can't be recorded for all to see in the same
way as a response on a web forum.

Morning Dave. Can you proove your conversations with your friends? I
cannot either.

Name changes are irrelevant in respect of the fact that 'Blue Rain' is
not the plant in question. You can't get around that. IOW you cannot
say it is something that it isn't.

I wrote Blue Rain OR Jackman's. You said Jackman's could be a new name
for it. I've found Noe to be similar and to be a very old plant from
S.Europe, as you suggested. I'm only searching as you do. I do not
categorically say this is this and this is that. I only make
suggestions. I will perhaps from now on write in bold 'this is only a
suggestion' so that Sacha understand that I am only suggesting.

Sacha did NOT say that you had insulted men NOR did she say that you
had insulted Burncoose.

Yes she did on 'more rosemary' thread. See below, entry 50 on 22nd Feb
(for those on beta google)

On 22 Feb, 20:08, Sacha wrote:
You were even insulting about this nursery and to me
personally. But now that you say it is R. Noe, you must be correct.
Puce
has spoken.

Listen to yourself you stupid woman. You contradict yourself in a
single sentence. Just what is the matter with you?

There's no need for this Dave. Really no need at all. I'm not
contradicting - you cannot show the real name for this plant. At least
I'm considering options. I don't know how to put it better than this
really.

Well maybe that is because any intelligence you may have appears to be
wholly absent in the way you pursue your argument.

These are not trantrums therefore. Frustrations perhaps but not
trantrums.

...but this might just about to change into pity for you really.

Yet again you continue to insult.

It goes both ways Dave and you know it. Look how you talked to Mike. I
don't think he deserves this.

You on the other hand frequently interrupt discussion
with inane suggestions and incorrect or barely half understood
information.

Show us where I've done this Dave? I don't think you'll find anything
other than me questioning something I don't understand but being
regarded, solely by Sacha as it happens, to be some sort of insults,
some sort of 'tone' or in the case in point some sort of threats
because I think there lies the problem.

Please don't find me threatening. I'm not like this.

On 24/2/07 10:44, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:

On 24 Feb, 08:36, "Dave Poole" wrote:
snip
Sacha did NOT say that you had insulted men NOR did she say that you
had insulted Burncoose.

Yes she did on 'more rosemary' thread. See below, entry 50 on 22nd Feb
(for those on beta google)

On 22 Feb, 20:08, Sacha wrote:
You were even insulting about this nursery and to me
personally. But now that you say it is R. Noe, you must be correct.
Puce
has spoken.
snip
Proof, if it were needed that you can't or won't read properly. 'This'
nursery, Puce. THIS nursery, not 'Burncoose Nursery'. And I don't see
anything about David in the above sentence. That is a total fabrication.

It goes both ways Dave and you know it. Look how you talked to Mike. I
don't think he deserves this.

And that just about sums both of you up perfectly. You couldn't have made
things worse for yourself if you'd worked it out on both hands for a week.
snip
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On Feb 24, 10:44 am, "La Puce" wrote:

Morning Dave. Can you proove your conversations with your friends? I
cannot either.

No, nor do I need to. However, in view of your convolutions here I
find it suspicious that when your original 'discussion' with Laurent
Ginarouge is shown not to back up your assertions, someone else
suddenly pops up.

I wrote Blue Rain OR Jackman's. You said Jackman's could be a new name
for it.

I have never said that Jackman's Prostrate could be a new name for
'Blue Rain'. Get your facts right.

I've found Noe to be similar and to be a very old plant from
S.Europe, as you suggested. I'm only searching as you do.

Let's get this straight. It was you who brought up 'Noe' and I never
mentioned it to be a very old plant from S. Europe. I've seen it
growing in some friends' garden near Bournemouth where they call it
'De Noe'. It is very low growing, but throws up occasional branches
resulting in a mounded effect to 60cms. or so high. I'm not searching
anywhere - except perhaps from my own past experience with many
varieties of rosemary ... and that of friends who also grow them.
It's rather more reliable than trawling the web for names and info.

I do not
categorically say this is this and this is that.

Oh come on, you've been arguing the toss that it must be one of your
suggestions throughout.

Sacha did NOT say that you had insulted me .....

Yes she did on 'more rosemary' thread. See below, entry 50 on 22nd Feb
(for those on beta google)

What are you talkiing about? Do you mean:

[[ - Please don't return to your unpleasant dragging of others into
your ambit of
contention. You've done it with both David and Anne today; it's a
very ugly
habit. - ]] ?

If so, she is right, but that is not a claim that you insulted me. You
do have a nasty tendency to selectively quote me and others in an
attempt to back up your own claims. I find it tiresome and it is
misleading.

Listen to yourself you stupid woman. You contradict yourself in a
single sentence. Just what is the matter with you?

There's no need for this Dave. Really no need at all. I'm not
contradicting

Of course you are, you say you don't insult her and then go on to do
so in the same sentence.

you cannot show the real name for this plant. At least
I'm considering options. I don't know how to put it better than this
really.

No-one can name it at this stage and many of the options you have
considered are hoplelessly wrong. What's the point of suggesting
plants that are upright and bushy in this context? Making
suggestions? No grasping at straws more like.

Well maybe that is because any intelligence you may have appears to be
wholly absent in the way you pursue your argument.

These are not trantrums therefore. Frustrations perhaps but not
trantrums.

When you allow a frustration to engulf you to the point where you
indulge in hysterical and abusive repsonses, then they are tantrums.

...but this might just about to change into pity for you really.
Yet again you continue to insult.

It goes both ways Dave and you know it. Look how you talked to Mike. I
don't think he deserves this.

I'm not the one who claims not to insult, but you do. I will insult
if I feel it is warranted. Crowe deserves everything he gets. He is
offensive, abusive and hell-bent on stirring trouble.