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I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond
orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) -- ßôyþëtë |
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On 24 Feb, 21:55, "BoyPete" wrote:
I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) -- ßôyþëtë Nobody will be annoyed at you for your question, I too am a total amateur, I don't know one latin name from another. This is not an expert gardener group, but there are lots of experts here who remain solely for people like you and I to advise and help along, they will never ridicule you and I am sure now that you have asked this question, that they will also post the common names. I'm glad you find the group friendly, on the whole, we really are, there are just a couple of flies in the ointment which hopefully will buzz off soon. Kind regards Judith at home |
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"BoyPete" wrote in message ... I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) -- ßôyþëtë If you have grown all those veg then you are already a proper gardener. Any idiot can grow annuals and perennials but veg gardening requires much more skill. Forget the half acre, some of the best and most charming gardens are contained in very small areas. As for the names bit-they aren't really Latin or scientific and sometimes not even botanical. You can talk about Busy Lizzie if you want but I prefer the name Impatiens because the former name means different things to different people, particularly outside the UK. Now go way and do your homework and report back on "Amorphophallus" :-) |
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"BoyPete" wrote ... I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) Well there are two views about Latin names, yours is one and I realise it can put a lot of people off, but the main advantage of them is everyone in the world then knows exactly what plant you are talking about because the Latin name is universal. For example, a Geranium sp, however if you talk in common names and say Geranium we wouldn't know if you meant a true hardy (mostly) Geranium or those tender Zonal Pelargonium often sold as Geraniums and used for summer bedding. A similar situation pertains with Datura and Brugmansia and it goes on. Perhaps those of us with a bit of knowledge about Latin names should try to use both. I'll try and remember. Promise. :-) -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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On 24 Feb, 21:55, "BoyPete" wrote:
Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) Sure. I've just realised I've given you latin name for two grasses - out of 4 though in your last thread ;o) Well, the thing is I sometimes don't know them by a common name. Or if I do it's a French common name! It's a good idea though and with a common name I find I retain the latin name better. |
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In message , BoyPete
writes I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) The problem with common names is sometimes there are several different vernacular names that apply to a single plant (I've recorded 13 applying to Lagunaria patersonia), and sometimes one vernacular name applies to several plants, and sometimes both at once. The situation with botanical names is not perfect, but not as potentially confusing as with vernacular names. Many botanical names are used happily by people who don't necessarily realise that they are using them - for example Geranium (cranesbill, when not being used for Pelargonium), Aster (michaelmas daisies, etc, but also used for several other genera such as Callistephus, Stokesia and Tithonia), Hibiscus, Chrysanthemum (except that the botanists now call the florists' chrysanthemums Dendranthema), Dahlia, Thuja, Cotoneaster, Pyracantha (firethorn), Amelanchier (juneberry?), Narcissus, Gladiolus (sword lily), Hosta (plantain lily), Agapanthus (African lily), ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Bob Hobden wrote:
"BoyPete" wrote ... snip Well there are two views about Latin names, yours is one and I realise it can put a lot of people off, but the main advantage of them is everyone in the world then knows exactly what plant you are talking about because the Latin name is universal. For example, a Geranium sp, however if you talk in common names and say Geranium we wouldn't know if you meant a true hardy (mostly) Geranium or those tender Zonal Pelargonium often sold as Geraniums and used for summer bedding. A similar situation pertains with Datura and Brugmansia and it goes on. Perhaps those of us with a bit of knowledge about Latin names should try to use both. I'll try and remember. Promise. :-) Thanks Bob :) -- ßôyþëtë |
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Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:
"BoyPete" wrote in message ... snip If you have grown all those veg then you are already a proper gardener. Any idiot can grow annuals and perennials but veg gardening requires much more skill. Forget the half acre, some of the best and most charming gardens are contained in very small areas. As for the names bit-they aren't really Latin or scientific and sometimes not even botanical. You can talk about Busy Lizzie if you want but I prefer the name Impatiens because the former name means different things to different people, particularly outside the UK. Now go way and do your homework and report back on "Amorphophallus" :-) You mean Elephant Yam? AKA Amorphophallus paeoniifolius ? Of the Araceae family I beleive. Not my sort of thing really :) -- ßôyþëtë |
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In message , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
writes "BoyPete" wrote in message ... I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) -- ßôyþëtë If you have grown all those veg then you are already a proper gardener. Any idiot can grow annuals and perennials but veg gardening requires much more skill. Forget the half acre, some of the best and most charming gardens are contained in very small areas. As for the names bit-they aren't really Latin or scientific and sometimes not even botanical. You can talk about Busy Lizzie if you want but I prefer the name Impatiens because the former name means different things to different people, particularly outside the UK. But Impatiens means many different things. There's the "New Guinea Impatiens" grown as bedding plants, the Himalayan Balsam which is taken over watercourses, Impatiens tinctoria which is grown as an ornamental perennial, and more besides. In this case, either choice - Busy Lizzie or Impations - depends on context for correct understanding. Now go way and do your homework and report back on "Amorphophallus" :-) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:
"BoyPete" wrote in message If you have grown all those veg then you are already a proper gardener. Any idiot can grow annuals and perennials but veg gardening requires much more skill. Forget the half acre, some of the best and most charming gardens are contained in very small areas. As for the names bit-they aren't really Latin or scientific and sometimes not even botanical. You can talk about Busy Lizzie if you want but I prefer the name Impatiens because the former name means different things to different people, particularly outside the UK. Now go way and do your homework and report back on "Amorphophallus" :-) You mean Elephant Yam? AKA Amorphophallus paeoniifolius ? Of the Araceae family I beleive. Not my sort of thing really -- ßôyþëtë |
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"BoyPete" wrote in message ... Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote: "BoyPete" wrote in message If you have grown all those veg then you are already a proper gardener. Any idiot can grow annuals and perennials but veg gardening requires much more skill. Forget the half acre, some of the best and most charming gardens are contained in very small areas. As for the names bit-they aren't really Latin or scientific and sometimes not even botanical. You can talk about Busy Lizzie if you want but I prefer the name Impatiens because the former name means different things to different people, particularly outside the UK. Now go way and do your homework and report back on "Amorphophallus" :-) You mean Elephant Yam? AKA Amorphophallus paeoniifolius ? Of the Araceae family I beleive. Not my sort of thing really -- ßôyþëtë Excellent --Good lad. I quite agree not everyone would want an Amorphophallus:-) The Latin names often convey much more detail about a plant in a very concise manner but as SRH has pointed out it is far from perfect. I will try harder and give both names-promise. Meanwhile this site is quite good. http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_latin.html |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "BoyPete" wrote ... I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) Well there are two views about Latin names, yours is one and I realise it can put a lot of people off, but the main advantage of them is everyone in the world then knows exactly what plant you are talking about because the Latin name is universal. For example, a Geranium sp, however if you talk in common names and say Geranium we wouldn't know if you meant a true hardy (mostly) Geranium or those tender Zonal Pelargonium often sold as Geraniums and used for summer bedding. A similar situation pertains with Datura and Brugmansia and it goes on. Perhaps those of us with a bit of knowledge about Latin names should try to use both. I'll try and remember. Promise. :-) Are there latin names for such things as sprouts, peas, cabbage, carrots, strawberries, runner beans and sweet corn? But if there are please do not confuse me! Alan -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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writes "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "BoyPete" wrote ... I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) Well there are two views about Latin names, yours is one and I realise it can put a lot of people off, but the main advantage of them is everyone in the world then knows exactly what plant you are talking about because the Latin name is universal. For example, a Geranium sp, however if you talk in common names and say Geranium we wouldn't know if you meant a true hardy (mostly) Geranium or those tender Zonal Pelargonium often sold as Geraniums and used for summer bedding. A similar situation pertains with Datura and Brugmansia and it goes on. Perhaps those of us with a bit of knowledge about Latin names should try to use both. I'll try and remember. Promise. :-) Are there latin names for such things as sprouts, peas, cabbage, carrots, strawberries, runner beans and sweet corn? Yes. But if there are please do not confuse me! OK. Alan -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 25 Feb, 00:23, Sacha wrote:
On 24/2/07 21:55, in article , "BoyPete" wrote: I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly half is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something I'd love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently, especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ :) Now, I only have pots :( Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin names for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these things are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe, they are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their 'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think? Thanks for a great friendly group. :) The problem is Common names common to where? In UK they change from county to county or even parish to parish so it's not helpful. If the Latin names are used, they're recognised all over the world. That's why they're used - for plantspeople and gardeners, it's the universal language. I think it might be helpful to you to look at the Latin names and then check out the common names which will be entirely different in every corner of the planet. To take one wild plant alone, I've seen it named here as 'goose grass', 'sticky willie' and 'cleavers', depending on the region the poster comes from. Latin names are unequivocal if you're talking to someone in Berkshire or Bareclona. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devonhttp://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) Now then Sacha, I don't live in Berkshire or Barcelona, so I use the common name as I am ignorant. Judith at home and still not at work |
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