On 8 Mar, 15:18, "La Puce" wrote:
On 8 Mar, 14:59, "Dave Hill" wrote:

Just wondering if anyone else has to access this group via Google?

I do. Why?

Just wondering if there is any way to set a Killfile , I find that a
lot of the things I could do in the past you can't do with Google
David Hill

On Mar 8, 5:59 pm, "Dave Hill" wrote:
Just wondering if there is any way to set a Killfile , I find that a
lot of the things I could do in the past you can't do with Google
David Hill

I have that problem Dave, on Google. I have a second private server,
Demon and it works fine on Turnpike. I also have a hospital computer
but all newsgroups are unaccessible on there as are commercial sites
so I don't need to set up a killfile as I can't access newsgroups,
either to read or reply and that applies to all NHS staff throughout
the UK.

I have emailed Google to ask them if there is a way to set up a
filter, if they say anything useful, I will email you.

Judith

wrote:
[...]
I have emailed Google to ask them if there is a way to set up a
filter, if they say anything useful, I will email you.

The point about Google is that it's not a newsreader, it's an archive --
that is, a website where one can read a copy of Usenet. If you want to
be able to killfile, you need a proper client-based newsreader, which
will allow actions in your own computer.

The inconvenient bit about setting up a newsreader is that you need to
find a news _server_ to feed into the reader. Teranews is a very cheap
one (a once-only payment of under four dollars); news.individual.net
costs ten euro a year, but it's rather better. You can download a news
client from the Web, or use Outlook Express, which comes free and
automatically with Windows -- it's not brilliant, but it's good enough
for most people. A small and decreasing number of ISPs run their own
news servers for their customers.

OE allows killfiling, which is pretty well essential for a group like
URG which is under constant attack from trolls and egos. A better reader
also allows you to killfile not just individuals but whole crossposted
groups: OE's mechanism for this doesn't work, and there's no way M$ is
going to make the effort to fix it.

So, in short, no: GG of its nature can't support killfiles.

--
Mike.



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Mike Lyle wrote:
wrote:
[...]
I have emailed Google to ask them if there is a way to set up a
filter, if they say anything useful, I will email you.

The point about Google is that it's not a newsreader, it's an archive
-- that is, a website where one can read a copy of Usenet. If you
want to be able to killfile, you need a proper client-based
newsreader, which will allow actions in your own computer.

The inconvenient bit about setting up a newsreader is that you need to
find a news _server_ to feed into the reader. Teranews is a very cheap
one (a once-only payment of under four dollars); news.individual.net
costs ten euro a year, but it's rather better. You can download a news
client from the Web, or use Outlook Express, which comes free and
automatically with Windows -- it's not brilliant, but it's good enough
for most people. A small and decreasing number of ISPs run their own
news servers for their customers.

OE allows killfiling, which is pretty well essential for a group like
URG which is under constant attack from trolls and egos. A better
reader also allows you to killfile not just individuals but whole
crossposted groups: OE's mechanism for this doesn't work, and there's
no way M$ is going to make the effort to fix it.

So, in short, no: GG of its nature can't support killfiles.

PS. There are security "issues" with Outlook Express: a good reason to
use something better if you feel up to the installation, but as long as
you use it only for Usenet you won't come to harm.

Also, note that Outlook Express and Outlook are completely different.
Outlook is OK for email, but doesn't read news.

--
Mike.



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On Mar 9, 9:56 pm, "Mike Lyle"
wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
wrote:
[...]
I have emailed Google to ask them if there is a way to set up a
filter, if they say anything useful, I will email you.

The point about Google is that it's not a newsreader, it's an archive
-- that is, a website where one can read a copy of Usenet. If you
want to be able to killfile, you need a proper client-based
newsreader, which will allow actions in your own computer.

The inconvenient bit about setting up a newsreader is that you need to
find a news _server_ to feed into the reader. Teranews is a very cheap
one (a once-only payment of under four dollars); news.individual.net
costs ten euro a year, but it's rather better. You can download a news
client from the Web, or use Outlook Express, which comes free and
automatically with Windows -- it's not brilliant, but it's good enough
for most people. A small and decreasing number of ISPs run their own
news servers for their customers.

OE allows killfiling, which is pretty well essential for a group like
URG which is under constant attack from trolls and egos. A better
reader also allows you to killfile not just individuals but whole
crossposted groups: OE's mechanism for this doesn't work, and there's
no way M$ is going to make the effort to fix it.

So, in short, no: GG of its nature can't support killfiles.

PS. There are security "issues" with Outlook Express: a good reason to
use something better if you feel up to the installation, but as long as
you use it only for Usenet you won't come to harm.

Also, note that Outlook Express and Outlook are completely different.
Outlook is OK for email, but doesn't read news.

--
Mike.

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Thanks for all the information Mike. I have received a letter this
morning which confirms that I won't have to killfile one person in urg
anymore as she has been ORDERED not to write in any way, shape or form
on a public group, anything libellious or inflammatory about me. A
great result so hopefully the trolling on this group by that person
will now stop, the insults to others, the lies and the foul language
Unfortunately it won't stop the bad gardening advice, but I can live
with that.

Judith

On 10 Mar, 12:03, "
wrote:
Thanks for all the information Mike. I have received a letter this
morning which confirms that I won't have to killfile one person in urg
anymore as she has been ORDERED not to write in any way, shape or form
on a public group, anything libellious or inflammatory about me.

What? I can write what I want and when I want. You however cannot.
I've seen Sacha's letter and it's laughable. And if you mention, as
you've been told, my husband and my organisation once more, this will
then be more serious than you would have ever expected.

So let it rest once and for all.

On 10/3/07 12:21, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:

On 10 Mar, 12:03, "
wrote:
Thanks for all the information Mike. I have received a letter this
morning which confirms that I won't have to killfile one person in urg
anymore as she has been ORDERED not to write in any way, shape or form
on a public group, anything libellious or inflammatory about me.

What? I can write what I want and when I want. You however cannot.
I've seen Sacha's letter and it's laughable. And if you mention, as
you've been told, my husband and my organisation once more, this will
then be more serious than you would have ever expected.

I don't think your 'colleague' as you grandly refer to the senior director
of URBED London, considered it a laughing matter. His reply to me indicated
as much. Try it on once more with me and I'll have a lawyer onto you for
harassment so fast, it will make your eyes water.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On Mar 10, 12:21 pm, "La Puce" wrote:
On 10 Mar, 12:03, "

wrote:
Thanks for all the information Mike. I have received a letter this
morning which confirms that I won't have to killfile one person in urg
anymore as she has been ORDERED not to write in any way, shape or form
on a public group, anything libellious or inflammatory about me.

What? I can write what I want and when I want. You however cannot.
I've seen Sacha's letter and it's laughable. And if you mention, as
you've been told, my husband and my organisation once more, this will
then be more serious than you would have ever expected.

So let it rest once and for all.

I have no idea what you are on about, Sacha's letter??? I am talking
about the letter that Nic Falk sent to your husband, a copy of which I
have.

Mrs. Rudlin I don't have to say anymore, you know the truth of the
matter and so does everyone who matters on urg, your lying days are
done.

You are now a figure of fun.


Judith

Mike Lyle writes

OE allows killfiling, which is pretty well essential for a group like
URG which is under constant attack from trolls and egos. A better reader
also allows you to killfile not just individuals but whole crossposted
groups:

Turnpike has built in rules to kill article (can't see the point), whole
threads, particular subjects or particular posters, and you can create
customised rules, for example to kill posts that are crossposted to more
than a certain number of groups, or which are more than a particular
length (eg 200 lines)
--
Kay

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:27:14 +0000, K wrote
(in article ):

Mike Lyle writes

OE allows killfiling, which is pretty well essential for a group like
URG which is under constant attack from trolls and egos. A better reader
also allows you to killfile not just individuals but whole crossposted
groups:

Turnpike has built in rules to kill article (can't see the point), whole
threads, particular subjects or particular posters, and you can create
customised rules, for example to kill posts that are crossposted to more
than a certain number of groups, or which are more than a particular
length (eg 200 lines)


The one I use, Hogwasher (Mac only) has a similar arrangement. It is
particularly useful to killfile the trolls that crosspost to umpteen groups,
and you can also killfile the ones that are crossposted to a particular
group. It also has a rule to keep the filter permanently, or delete it if
unused for (n) days - particularly useful against the morons that continually
change their identity, and saves the killfile from growing enormously. I
occasionally use Google Groups to look up something in a group which I don't
subscribe to, nor wish to subscribe to, but I personally find the whole
usenet experience so much better through a proper newsreader.





--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

On 8 Mar, 17:59, "Dave Hill" wrote:
Just wondering if there is any way to set a Killfile , I find that a
lot of the things I could do in the past you can't do with Google

No sadly. It's a pest. Especially at the moment when we seem to have a
terrible lot of crossposts and trolls. I think it's just a matter, as
far as you and I are concerned, to try to waddle through it all. It
usually dissipate eventually. As long as nobody respond - they'll get
bored. Starting new threads is also a good idea. It generates lots of
posts from us and the crossposts/trolls eventually fall behind.

When on Turnpike I could set killfile but not with google beta. Also
I'm on Outlook - I could use urg via it, I just don't want to have it
there all the time or I'll do no work!! ;o)

"Dave Hill" wrote in message
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On 8 Mar, 15:18, "La Puce" wrote:
On 8 Mar, 14:59, "Dave Hill" wrote:

Just wondering if anyone else has to access this group via Google?

I do. Why?

Just wondering if there is any way to set a Killfile ,

It was me mentioning my kill file that set off the present attack of troll
lunacy in a few groups I frequent so beware :-)
I don't know of any way to filter messages in Google though sorry.

--
Chris, West Cork, Ireland.

In article .com, Dave
Hill writes
On 8 Mar, 15:18, "La Puce" wrote:
On 8 Mar, 14:59, "Dave Hill" wrote:

Just wondering if anyone else has to access this group via Google?

I do. Why?

Just wondering if there is any way to set a Killfile , I find that a
lot of the things I could do in the past you can't do with Google
David Hill




This is what it says on a couple of sites David

==================================================

There are many web-based news services out there, including
Google http://groups.google.com, NewsRanger
http://www.newsranger.com, and so forth. For a complete
listing, visit http://www.newsreaders.com. These are
usually free services, and have the advantage of being complete
and timely. They are searchable, and many people prefer to use
them instead of a regular news service and separate reader,
especially if the newsfeed offered by their ISP is slow or
incomplete. The drawback is that they don't have filtering
capabilities.

From what I can see, there is no method for filtering out the
posts you do not wish to see in web-based newsreaders. You
can use the advanced search options to retrieve, say, all posts
made to a specific group, but *without* specific words in
them, such as "ninnyboy".

If you use Google groups because your news server isn't
very good, you may want to try contacting your ISP and
telling
them you're unhappy with their news service and that they
need to beef it up ... or get a different ISP ... or sign up
for a good service such as NewsGuy (relatively cheap).

Otherwise, you're stuck without filtering, and have
to do it "manually" by just skipping past the posts you don't
wish to see.

================================================== ========



Or why not get something free like Agent or another newsreader? I
wouldn't be without my killfile ability though some people tend to leave
in the whole of the message text that they are replying to, which kind
of defeats the object


Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

[or switch to an ISP, that fits in with the rest of the world?]
Martin[/quote]

Or why not just access through Garden Banter - wots so wrong with it? I find it easy to use (you can quickly scroll through posts and replies) and if I don't want to read a particular person's reply/posting, I just ignore it. I sort of know the longer a thread generally, the 'worse' it gets so I don't read those, or skip to the last post to see how its developed. I'm just a beginner gardener so I tend to read more than respond, but I've learnt an awful lot, laughed a lot (especially when Sacha is/was on good form) and would like to think I still belong, despite accessing through Gardenbanter. I have tried accessing URG through a newsgroup twice, but each time, despite our excellent anti-virus protection, something got through leading to major repair. So I'm sticking to Garden Banter....

I agree, with Jay Jay much easier to log in from your normal web browser,

you can then see the latest topics and read them or not as you wish.