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Broomrape/More garden pictures
Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a
few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike |
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On 21/4/07 10:52, in article ,
"Muddymike" wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. snip I think this looks really beautiful, Mike. What a lovely and loved garden and the house looks so mellow and welcoming. Funny how one is instinctively drawn to some houses! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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On Apr 21, 10:52 am, "Muddymike" wrote:
Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture athttp://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Mike, your garden is beautiful and it's obviously been a labour of love for you. Was there any structure to gthe garden when you first bought the house? Your soil doesn't look as if it is clay, I am just down the road from you and we are entirely on clay. Was yours clay to begin with and what did you do to refine it? Judith |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 21, 10:52 am, "Muddymike" wrote: Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture athttp://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Mike, your garden is beautiful and it's obviously been a labour of love for you. Was there any structure to gthe garden when you first bought the house? Your soil doesn't look as if it is clay, I am just down the road from you and we are entirely on clay. Was yours clay to begin with and what did you do to refine it? Judith The house is built on an early version of the modern garden plot developments. Many years ago the garden was part of the grounds of Thornborough Hall and was very grand at one time. In the 1930s a local family bought part of the hall grounds and built this house. They employed a full time gardener and developed the garden quite a lot. Then 30 years ago the house was bought by the Hospitaler association and used as a care home for physically and mentally handicapped adults, they passed it on to the local housing association who closed it down in 2004. Sadly during the housing association ownership many features of the original gardens were destroyed in laying motorway style wheelchair paths as in http://www.twango.com/media/Muddymik...e.10145?sort=5 and they only maintained areas accessed by these paths. We are now resurrecting what we can of the original garden and adding our own features. I think you must have missed an earlier reply of mine when you first asked about my Mattishall email address. Yes I used to live in Mattishall but 2 1/2 years ago moved here to Leyburn, N Yorks. Mike |
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On Apr 22, 9:44 am, "Muddymike" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 21, 10:52 am, "Muddymike" wrote: Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture athttp://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Mike, your garden is beautiful and it's obviously been a labour of love for you. Was there any structure to gthe garden when you first bought the house? Your soil doesn't look as if it is clay, I am just down the road from you and we are entirely on clay. Was yours clay to begin with and what did you do to refine it? Judith The house is built on an early version of the modern garden plot developments. Many years ago the garden was part of the grounds of Thornborough Hall and was very grand at one time. In the 1930s a local family bought part of the hall grounds and built this house. They employed a full time gardener and developed the garden quite a lot. Then 30 years ago the house was bought by the Hospitaler association and used as a care home for physically and mentally handicapped adults, they passed it on to the local housing association who closed it down in 2004. Sadly during the housing association ownership many features of the original gardens were destroyed in laying motorway style wheelchair paths as inhttp://www.twango.com/media/Muddymike.Garden/Muddymike.10145?sort=5 and they only maintained areas accessed by these paths. We are now resurrecting what we can of the original garden and adding our own features. I think you must have missed an earlier reply of mine when you first asked about my Mattishall email address. Yes I used to live in Mattishall but 2 1/2 years ago moved here to Leyburn, N Yorks. Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I must have missed that Mike. Your garden and house look great and can only get even more interesting as time goes on, well done. |
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Muddymike wrote:
Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts |
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In message , Chris Potts
writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Potts writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Its quite crowded in there, plants include hazel certainly, laurel, yew, privet, holly, and more that I am unable to name are also in quite close proximity. Mike |
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In message , Muddymike
writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Potts writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Its quite crowded in there, plants include hazel certainly, laurel, yew, privet, holly, and more that I am unable to name are also in quite close proximity. Mike Ah well, it seems quite likely that it's Lathraea squamaria parasitising hazel, rather than Orobranche hederae parasitising ivy. I should have thought to ask the question what the ivy was growing over. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Muddymike" wrote: "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Potts writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Its quite crowded in there, plants include hazel certainly, laurel, yew, privet, holly, and more that I am unable to name are also in quite close proximity. Mike Its definitely not Ivy Broomrape. At this time of year there are no signs of the flower spikes on my colonies. They come in August or so. Does your presumed Lathrea Squamata set seed? If so I wouldn't mind some - which I could swap for an option on my Orobanche hederae harvest in September. john |
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On 24 Apr, 11:29, John McMillan
wrote: Its definitely not Ivy Broomrape. On the other thread, the original one Muddymike sent, I had marked it as Orobanche crenata - don't you think? At all? So similar, same flowers, height etc. But not the hederae. |
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"John McMillan" wrote in message ... In article , "Muddymike" wrote: "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Potts writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Its quite crowded in there, plants include hazel certainly, laurel, yew, privet, holly, and more that I am unable to name are also in quite close proximity. Mike Its definitely not Ivy Broomrape. At this time of year there are no signs of the flower spikes on my colonies. They come in August or so. Does your presumed Lathrea Squamata set seed? If so I wouldn't mind some - which I could swap for an option on my Orobanche hederae harvest in September. john The area was covered in Ivy until recently when I cleared it all. As to whether it sets seeds, I have no idea but you are welcome to some if it does. How do I tell? Mike |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Potts writes Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts I hadn't considered Lathraea, as the plant didn't look at all like lLathraea clandestina. However, Lathraea squamata is typically parasitic on elm and hazel, rather than ivy. However it seems to occur on many genera. According to Stace, the key characters separating Lathraea and Orobanche are Lathraea: rhizomatous; flowers pedicellate (stalked); calyx with 4 equal lobes; Orobanche: not rhizomatous; flowers seesile (unstalked) except rarely near the base of the inflorescence; calyx with 2-4(5) teeth arranged in 2 lateral lips. Looking at the original photograph the calyx characters may be correct for Lathraea. If Mike could check the details, and what plants other than ivy are growing in the vicinity ... I always found the keys for Orobranche and relatives to be hard going, especially seeing as most of them have very colourful flowers. That plant looks like toothwort/Lathraea squamaria alright. It is bright pink all over in mid spring. L.clandestina (i think it is introduced) is a more lurid colour and is smaller from what I can remember. L.squamaria is described as widespread and is native but I have only seen it a handful of times, in Ireland I cannot remember what it was growing on. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Chris Potts" wrote in message ... Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts Thanks Chris Looking at the picture I think you are right. Toothwart, Broomrape what names will they think up next? Keep on digging. Mike |
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"Muddymike" wrote in message ... "Chris Potts" wrote in message ... Muddymike wrote: Inspired by the wonderful comments on my garden pictures I have uploaded a few more. Some showing the overgrown mess we took on two and a half years ago. Further to the Ivy Broomrape, I have discovered a virtual forest of the stuff, see first picture at http://www.twango.com/channel/Muddymike.Garden Must mow the lawns. Mike Hello Mike I don't think it is Ivy Broomrape! It is Common Toothwort (Lathraea squamaria). Ivy Broomrape is taller with a much more open spike; it flowers in late June/July. There is a good picture of Toothwort at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothwort. It flowers in April, so just right. All the best, Chris Potts Thanks Chris Looking at the picture I think you are right. Toothwart, Broomrape what Wort seems to be some generic name for herb or maybe medicinal plant or maybe just plant. Toothwort was conceivably thought of as something to help yer teeth. Broomrape, I think, just meant molesting broom. names will they think up next? Keep on digging. Mike |
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