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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 13, 3:07 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Rupert wrote: On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message groups.com... On Jul 10, 12:59 pm, "Dutch" wrote: "Rupert" wrote It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms. Listen to how self-serving and condescending you sound, referring to yourself as "generous". You claim not to read Rick's posts, in which case you are hardly in a position to comment. I was reading to see what you said, not rick. I am being extraordinarily reasonable and patient in engaging with him. Calling me condescending in the context of Rick's torrent of mindless abuse is utterly ludicrous. His torrents of mindless abuse are not the issue, I accused you earlier of being condescending and you gave me an example. Then you squeal like an infant about verbal abuse. No, I don't. I simply point out that the behaviour of all the antis here, including yours, utterly flouts all civilized standards of decency, rationality, or justice. You didn't "simply point it out", you announced that you're going to withdraw from the debate if we don't start acting according to your rules. Incidentally you have threatened that about a dozen times and never followed through on it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, he tried something like that with me before. He said I "needed" to stop replying to him, that it was my obligation or some such horseshit. He implied he didn't want to keep replying to me, but he kept replying all the same, and I never did give him the silly apology he kept demanding. What happened was that I said You flounced your skirts and said I shouldn't reply to you. I told you to **** off, that I would post as I saw fit. You took it, rupie, and you liked it. I expressed my disgust at the depths to which you had sunk. You proceeded to continue to abase yourself without the slightest hint of shame. You continue to do so to this day. Please keep your sexual fantasies about me in your own head. We do not want to hear about them. rupie flounces his skirt and stamps his delicate foot, and then writes condescending bullshit. But I know how to get him off that game. The point is that you don't like the rough language, I don't mind it at all, at least it's direct. I don't like the air of superiority you try to project, I find that offensive. It makes one want to smack him right in his pasty white face. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person .... you are a worthless, pitiful excuse for a human being. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote in message ps.com...
On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: ... You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. The following includes behaviour that is seen here. 'The Power and Control Wheel Using isolation. One of the most effective ways to begin to overpower another person is to keep her from having contact with others. By systematically severing her relationships with family, friends, and co-workers, the batterer insures that his victim has little support. He becomes her only point of reference, thereby defining and controlling her world. Batterers can isolate their partners in a variety of ways, from excessive jealousy to restricting their access to education and jobs or controlling where they go or with whom they spend their time. For women with disabilities, lesbians, older women, immigrant women, or others who are marginalized by mainstream society, isolation takes on an increased potency. Minimizing, denying, and blaming. Batterers often minimize or deny the abuse, or they blame their partners for provoking it. He may minimize the severity of her injuries, or outright deny that he caused them. Unfortunately, "victim-blaming" is prevalent in our society. Sometimes abusers play mind games with their victims trying to make them feel crazy. Often violent behavior towards women is justified by saying things like "she asked for it" or "she needed to be put back in her place." In so doing, the blame and accountability shifts from the abusive behavior of the batterer to the "weakness" of the victim. Using children. Using children is yet another way that a batterer can instill feelings of guilt and incompetence in his partner, making her feel like a "bad" mother. Some batterers will force children to turn against their mothers, or will threaten to take the children away if the victim were to try to leave. There is also evidence that in homes where there is abuse towards the mother, there is an increased likelihood of abuse towards the children. Girls whose fathers batter their mothers are 6.5 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by their fathers than are girls from non-violent homes. Using male privilege. In our patriarchal society, men are often raised to believe that they have been given the right to be dominating and aggressive. Being "tough" and "in charge" are accepted and expected as part of one´s manhood. It is all too often the case that batterers use this gender imbalance as a justification for violent or controlling behavior. Using economic abuse. By controlling and limiting a woman´s access to financial means, a batterer can assure that his victim will have limited resources if she has thoughts of leaving. She may have to turn over her paycheck, leave her job, or account for every penny spent. Too often women have to choose between staying in an abusive relationship or being thrust into economic ruin or poverty. Using coercion and threats. Threats are used to control by creating intense fear that can paralyze the victim's ability to act or keep herself constantly on guard in an effort to protect our lives or well-being. Some common threats are suicide, threats to kill her or the children, threats to damage property, etc. The victim may also be coerced into acting in ways that contradict her values, such as prostitution or fraud. Using intimidation. Abusers will often commit terrifying acts in order to keep their partner in a state of continuous fear. This may include smashing things, killing pets, harassing friends and family, setting fires, driving recklessly, suicide and homicide. Intimidation periodically reinforced with assault, makes violence a daily part of the victim´s reality and, therefore, makes her easier to control. Using emotional abuse. Emotional abuse is the most common form of control and can often exist in relationships where there is not physical battering. This includes put-downs, insults to the victim´s intelligence and abilities, name-calling, etc. In so doing, the batterer systematically breaks her spirit and self-esteem. She may begin to feel as if the abuse is her fault or that she must deserve it. These forms of abuse are used in multiple combinations. Constant violence and criticism leaves women uncertain, humiliated, and much easier to control. Labels: blame shifting, coercion, denying, economic, emotional abuse, intimidation, isolation, minimizing, misogyny ...... http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/ |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and abouttime too!
Rupert wrote:
On Jul 13, 3:07 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Rupert wrote: On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 10, 12:59 pm, "Dutch" wrote: "Rupert" wrote It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms. Listen to how self-serving and condescending you sound, referring to yourself as "generous". You claim not to read Rick's posts, in which case you are hardly in a position to comment. I was reading to see what you said, not rick. I am being extraordinarily reasonable and patient in engaging with him. Calling me condescending in the context of Rick's torrent of mindless abuse is utterly ludicrous. His torrents of mindless abuse are not the issue, I accused you earlier of being condescending and you gave me an example. Then you squeal like an infant about verbal abuse. No, I don't. I simply point out that the behaviour of all the antis here, including yours, utterly flouts all civilized standards of decency, rationality, or justice. You didn't "simply point it out", you announced that you're going to withdraw from the debate if we don't start acting according to your rules. Incidentally you have threatened that about a dozen times and never followed through on it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, he tried something like that with me before. He said I "needed" to stop replying to him, that it was my obligation or some such horseshit. He implied he didn't want to keep replying to me, but he kept replying all the same, and I never did give him the silly apology he kept demanding. What happened was that I said You flounced your skirts and said I shouldn't reply to you. I told you to **** off, that I would post as I saw fit. You took it, rupie, and you liked it. I expressed my disgust at You bitchily demanded that I stop replying to your posts until I "apologized". I kept replying as I saw fit; no apology. And here we are. rupie flounces his skirt and stamps his delicate foot, and then writes condescending bullshit. But I know how to get him off that game. The point is that you don't like the rough language, I don't mind it at all, at least it's direct. I don't like the air of superiority you try to project, I find that offensive. It makes one want to smack him right in his pasty white face. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person You deserve the abuse you get. ... you are ....just the person to give you the abuse you request and deserve. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and abouttime too!
pearl wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Rudy feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, rupie is a bitch. because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. False. Add psychoanalysis to the long and growing list of things about which you know nothing but love to huff and puff and try to perpetrate frauds. The following includes behaviour that is seen here. 'The Power and Control Wheel [snip stale copy-and-paste bullshit] **** off, ****. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message nk.net...
pearl wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Rudy feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, rupie is a bitch. 'The serial bully: ... is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication .. http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm 'Warning signs It is very difficult to predict who may or may not be a potential rapist. Considering rapists have many personality types and use many different methods, it might seem impossible. However, certain behavioral characteristics have been observed in some rapists. These should be used cautiously as "warning signs", since non-rapists and other innocent people may also show similar behaviours. *Extreme emotional insensitivity and egotism. *Habitual degradation and verbal devaluation of others. *Tries to tell others what they are feeling and thinking as though it is his decision and not theirs. "She said no, but she meant yes". *Consistently uses intimidation in language or threatening behavior to get his way. Uses words like "bitch" and "whore" to describe women. *Excessive, chronic, or brooding anger. *Becomes obsessed with the object of his romantic affections long after his advances have been rejected. *Extreme mood swings. *Violent outbursts; lack of impulse control. *Aggressive and violent. *Under the influence of alcohol or drugs, cruel behavior is seen. ...' http://www.answers.com/topic/rape because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. False. "You harass women in every post -- you are one of the most misogynistic people I have ever read. Even your terms of abuse for male posters demonstrate a deep hatred of women." .... http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html Add psychoanalysis to the long and growing list of things about which you know nothing but love to huff and puff and try to perpetrate frauds. 'The serial bully: ... is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication .. http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm The following includes behaviour that is seen here. 'The Power and Control Wheel [snip stale copy-and-paste bullshit] **** off, ****. Textbook. Let's put that back. 'The Power and Control Wheel Using isolation. One of the most effective ways to begin to overpower another person is to keep her from having contact with others. By systematically severing her relationships with family, friends, and co-workers, the batterer insures that his victim has little support. He becomes her only point of reference, thereby defining and controlling her world. Batterers can isolate their partners in a variety of ways, from excessive jealousy to restricting their access to education and jobs or controlling where they go or with whom they spend their time. For women with disabilities, lesbians, older women, immigrant women, or others who are marginalized by mainstream society, isolation takes on an increased potency. Minimizing, denying, and blaming. Batterers often minimize or deny the abuse, or they blame their partners for provoking it. He may minimize the severity of her injuries, or outright deny that he caused them. Unfortunately, "victim-blaming" is prevalent in our society. Sometimes abusers play mind games with their victims trying to make them feel crazy. Often violent behavior towards women is justified by saying things like "she asked for it" or "she needed to be put back in her place." In so doing, the blame and accountability shifts from the abusive behavior of the batterer to the "weakness" of the victim. Using children. Using children is yet another way that a batterer can instill feelings of guilt and incompetence in his partner, making her feel like a "bad" mother. Some batterers will force children to turn against their mothers, or will threaten to take the children away if the victim were to try to leave. There is also evidence that in homes where there is abuse towards the mother, there is an increased likelihood of abuse towards the children. Girls whose fathers batter their mothers are 6.5 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by their fathers than are girls from non-violent homes. Using male privilege. In our patriarchal society, men are often raised to believe that they have been given the right to be dominating and aggressive. Being "tough" and "in charge" are accepted and expected as part of one´s manhood. It is all too often the case that batterers use this gender imbalance as a justification for violent or controlling behavior. Using economic abuse. By controlling and limiting a woman´s access to financial means, a batterer can assure that his victim will have limited resources if she has thoughts of leaving. She may have to turn over her paycheck, leave her job, or account for every penny spent. Too often women have to choose between staying in an abusive relationship or being thrust into economic ruin or poverty. Using coercion and threats. Threats are used to control by creating intense fear that can paralyze the victim's ability to act or keep herself constantly on guard in an effort to protect our lives or well-being. Some common threats are suicide, threats to kill her or the children, threats to damage property, etc. The victim may also be coerced into acting in ways that contradict her values, such as prostitution or fraud. Using intimidation. Abusers will often commit terrifying acts in order to keep their partner in a state of continuous fear. This may include smashing things, killing pets, harassing friends and family, setting fires, driving recklessly, suicide and homicide. Intimidation periodically reinforced with assault, makes violence a daily part of the victim´s reality and, therefore, makes her easier to control. Using emotional abuse. Emotional abuse is the most common form of control and can often exist in relationships where there is not physical battering. This includes put-downs, insults to the victim´s intelligence and abilities, name-calling, etc. In so doing, the batterer systematically breaks her spirit and self-esteem. She may begin to feel as if the abuse is her fault or that she must deserve it. These forms of abuse are used in multiple combinations. Constant violence and criticism leaves women uncertain, humiliated, and much easier to control. Labels: blame shifting, coercion, denying, economic, emotional abuse, intimidation, isolation, minimizing, misogyny ...... http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/ |
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lesley the foot-rubbing whore of Cork lied:
"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message nk.net... pearl wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Rudy feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, rupie is a bitch. 'The serial rupie *is* a bitch. You're just a ****ing lying whore. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....1?dmode=source |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and abouttime too!
Rupert the skirt-boy blabbered:
In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female rupie, your utter lack of talent as a psychoanalyst is exceeded only by your pomposity. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote in message oups.com...
On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....1?dmode=source Not to mention his violent fantasies involving broomsticks and broken bottles. Jonathan Ball is clearly an extremely sick 'man'. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and abouttime too!
Rupert wrote:
On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....1?dmode=source However you protest, you obviously revel in it, you're perpetuating it. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 15, 12:20 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Rupert the skirt-boy blabbered: In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female rupie, your utter lack of talent as a psychoanalyst is exceeded only by your pomposity. I don't need any talent as a psychoanalyst. What I said is simply an obvious statement of fact which anyone can verify by reading your post. "You took it, and you liked it." The homoerotic feeling is barely concealed. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 15, 4:07 am, Dutch wrote:
Rupert wrote: On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....g/89988189a95b... However you protest, you obviously revel in it, you're perpetuating it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I find it extremely funny, I thought I made that clear. I like pointing out the level of immaturity and what it reveals about Ball. I'm not protesting about it, I'm just stating the facts about it. Contrary to what you said earlier I do not find it particularly "irritating". It's good fun. It's always fun when Ball makes a clown of himself. Like in the other thread where he just tried to tell me that "axiomatizable" isn't a word. Absolutely fantastic. I wonder how long that will go on for. Ball obviously intends to keep replying, despite the fact that he has nothing to say. Should be quite a lot of comic value to be extracted there, I think, until I get bored. |
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On Jul 13, 11:57 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Rupert wrote: On Jul 13, 3:07 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Rupert wrote: On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message legroups.com... On Jul 10, 12:59 pm, "Dutch" wrote: "Rupert" wrote It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms. Listen to how self-serving and condescending you sound, referring to yourself as "generous". You claim not to read Rick's posts, in which case you are hardly in a position to comment. I was reading to see what you said, not rick. I am being extraordinarily reasonable and patient in engaging with him. Calling me condescending in the context of Rick's torrent of mindless abuse is utterly ludicrous. His torrents of mindless abuse are not the issue, I accused you earlier of being condescending and you gave me an example. Then you squeal like an infant about verbal abuse. No, I don't. I simply point out that the behaviour of all the antis here, including yours, utterly flouts all civilized standards of decency, rationality, or justice. You didn't "simply point it out", you announced that you're going to withdraw from the debate if we don't start acting according to your rules. Incidentally you have threatened that about a dozen times and never followed through on it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, he tried something like that with me before. He said I "needed" to stop replying to him, that it was my obligation or some such horseshit. He implied he didn't want to keep replying to me, but he kept replying all the same, and I never did give him the silly apology he kept demanding. What happened was that I said You flounced your skirts and said I shouldn't reply to you. I told you to **** off, that I would post as I saw fit. You took it, rupie, and you liked it. I expressed my disgust at You bitchily demanded that I stop replying to your posts until I "apologized". Not quite. I expressed the view that if you didn't do that then you were a pitiful coward. It really is a marvel that you're not ashamed for mocking someone for having a history of mental illness. As I say, it's just the same as mocking someone for having cerebral palsy. Most people find that sort of behaviour to be fairly despicable. You have no qualms about it, fine. I kept replying as I saw fit; no apology. Yes, you did. And you're obviously very proud of that and have the idea that you thereby somehow showed that you were the more dominant male. Whatever floats your boat. And here we are. Yes, here we are, and you get funnier and funnier every day. rupie flounces his skirt and stamps his delicate foot, and then writes condescending bullshit. But I know how to get him off that game. The point is that you don't like the rough language, I don't mind it at all, at least it's direct. I don't like the air of superiority you try to project, I find that offensive. It makes one want to smack him right in his pasty white face. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person You deserve the abuse you get. ... you are ...just the person to give you the abuse you request and deserve. You're obviously very proud of the job you're doing. Are you aware of the fact that these days most of the "abuse" you give me makes me howl with laughter? Is that the desired effect? |
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Rupert wrote:
On Jul 15, 4:07 am, Dutch wrote: Rupert wrote: On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....g/89988189a95b... However you protest, you obviously revel in it, you're perpetuating it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I find it extremely funny, I thought I made that clear. I like pointing out the level of immaturity and what it reveals about Ball. I'm not protesting about it, I'm just stating the facts about it. Contrary to what you said earlier I do not find it particularly "irritating". It's good fun. It's always fun when Ball makes a clown of himself. Like in the other thread where he just tried to tell me that "axiomatizable" isn't a word. Absolutely fantastic. I wonder how long that will go on for. Ball obviously intends to keep replying, despite the fact that he has nothing to say. Should be quite a lot of comic value to be extracted there, I think, until I get bored. That is a 180 degree shift from only short while ago when you were so perturbed that you were issuing ultimatums. Let's be frank, the tone of the debate doesn't bother you in the least as long as you feel you have the upper hand. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 15, 9:12 am, Dutch wrote:
Rupert wrote: On Jul 15, 4:07 am, Dutch wrote: Rupert wrote: On Jul 13, 10:25 pm, "pearl" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in glegroups.com... On Jul 10, 4:59 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote: Dutch wrote: .. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. That is exactly right. In the eyes of any decent person who reads these conversations, it's an utter absurdity. It is the typical "he/she asked for it" refrain of all abusers. Seems Ball feminizes male opponents, as he's tried with you, because more than men, he hates and likes to attack women. In this post he seems to want to construct this narrative where he is the dominant male and I am the submissive female and I get masochistic gratification from yielding to him. A bit more information about his sexual psyche than we need to know, I think. http://groups.google.com/group/talk....g/89988189a95b... However you protest, you obviously revel in it, you're perpetuating it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I find it extremely funny, I thought I made that clear. I like pointing out the level of immaturity and what it reveals about Ball. I'm not protesting about it, I'm just stating the facts about it. Contrary to what you said earlier I do not find it particularly "irritating". It's good fun. It's always fun when Ball makes a clown of himself. Like in the other thread where he just tried to tell me that "axiomatizable" isn't a word. Absolutely fantastic. I wonder how long that will go on for. Ball obviously intends to keep replying, despite the fact that he has nothing to say. Should be quite a lot of comic value to be extracted there, I think, until I get bored. That is a 180 degree shift from only short while ago when you were so perturbed that you were issuing ultimatums. Let's be frank, the tone of the debate doesn't bother you in the least as long as you feel you have the upper hand.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you talking about when I said I chose not to engage with you because of the way you were behaving? That doesn't mean I was perturbed, it was just a choice I made. I didn't feel inclined to engage with you while you were behaving in that way. I didn't see any tangible benefit to be had from it. The tone of the debate doesn't *especially* bother me. I sometimes find it frustrating and irritating, and I think it reflects poorly on you people, and I sometimes say what I think about it and choose to terminate conversations because of it. But you're right of course, ultimately it's my choice whether I want to bother participating here or not, and if I'm going to stick around then there's really not much point in getting too fussed. Another reason I don't get too fussed is that I think pretty much all of the derogatory comments you make have about the same level of credibility as Ball's nonsense. I think you have some legitimate criticisms and I accept those, although I also believe similar criticisms apply to your position as well. I'll clarify that when I write up my position, which hopefully I'll get around to doing this weekend. But the great majority of the uncomplimentary things you say about me I think are just palpable nonsense, and they really don't bother me because I have no respect for your judgement. However, it does get tiresome sometimes, especially when you have the nerve to suggest that I am the one who is at fault and I am the one who is being condescending. I really can't believe you can say that with a straight face. You ought to try listening to yourself sometimes. But, yes, you're right, Ball is a different kettle of fish. He is so entertaining that, as you say, I positively revel in making fun of him. The difference is with you it's just a tiresome chore pointing out how nonsensical your personal attacks are, like having to brush away a fly all the time, with Ball it's a form of entertainment. Since it's an inevitable and permanent feature of this board, why not appreciate its comic side? Anyway, as you say, all this is boring and irrelevant rubbish. Hopefully I'll get around to writing up my position soon and we can actually have a discussion about animal ethics. That'll be something new and exciting. |
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