On 12 Sep, 18:49, "David \(Normandy\)"
wrote:
I quit over ten years ago at the same time as the Mrs. Not had a smoke since
and certainly no desire to do so.
I'd given up several times for varying durations prior to the successful
giving up. The key to success seemed to be one of mental attitude. The first
few failed times there was an attitude of "I'm trying to give up smoking" -
which just seems to cause internal strife. The successful attitude was "I
don't smoke". and "I'm a none smoker". If you take that attitude you've
already won. Never torment yourself saying "I'd love a smoke" - if you do
it's be thin end of the giving up wedge. Just move on. It gets easier.
Eventually you'll regard cigarettes as objects of contempt.

David thank you very much. I don't know what to say - especially on
this forum, if you know what I mean. I'll get there, especially with
nice advice like you've just given me. Thank you again ))

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On 12 Sep, 18:49, "David \(Normandy\)"
wrote:
I quit over ten years ago at the same time as the Mrs. Not had a smoke
since
and certainly no desire to do so.
I'd given up several times for varying durations prior to the successful
giving up. The key to success seemed to be one of mental attitude. The
first
few failed times there was an attitude of "I'm trying to give up
smoking" -
which just seems to cause internal strife. The successful attitude was "I
don't smoke". and "I'm a none smoker". If you take that attitude you've
already won. Never torment yourself saying "I'd love a smoke" - if you do
it's be thin end of the giving up wedge. Just move on. It gets easier.
Eventually you'll regard cigarettes as objects of contempt.

David thank you very much. I don't know what to say - especially on
this forum, if you know what I mean. I'll get there, especially with
nice advice like you've just given me. Thank you again ))


We can't have too many smokers giving up. Otherwise something else will get
clobbered for tax.

mark

On 13 Sep, 14:13, Anne Jackson wrote:
I've been saying that for years... Can you imagine the wailing and
gnashing of teeth if everyone's income tax was to rise by five pence
in the pound? ;-)

That wouldn't happen coz more and more people are healthier,
especially in Scotland now and less tax money is being spent on
keeping the addicts alive with breathing apparatus, nose tubes,
artificial larynx, esophageal speaker box, oxygen etc..., innit
dd&tc

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It was proved, some years ago (in a 'Panorama' programme, IIRC)
that a lifelong smoker pays much more into the Treasury funds
through taxation on cigarettes than even the most expensive,
worst possible scenario, cancer treatment costs. Sorry to shoot
down your argument, but the loss of bar takings, and the number
of bar staff made unemployed by the no-smoking legislation in
Scotland is _way_ above all the predictions. Ergo, more
'job-seekers allowance' is being paid out.

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.

People aren't going to be forced to stop smoking by government
legislation! Instead they are going to the off-licence and the
chip shop/pizzeria/kebab place, and eating and drinking at home,
where they can smoke in peace...and their non-smoking pals are
joining them!

Strange people, the Scots, it seems{:-) Smoking was banned in bars here
this year and the bars have not suffered. Indeed, some have seen an
increase in business.
Graham

On 13 Sep, 16:09, Anne Jackson wrote:
I'm treating this seriously, although you posted 'tongue in cheek'
because as far as I am concerned it is a _serious_ subject, Helene.
It was proved, some years ago (in a 'Panorama' programme, IIRC)
that a lifelong smoker pays much more into the Treasury funds
through taxation on cigarettes than even the most expensive,
worst possible scenario, cancer treatment costs. Sorry to shoot
down your argument, but the loss of bar takings, and the number
of bar staff made unemployed by the no-smoking legislation in
Scotland is _way_ above all the predictions. Ergo, more
'job-seekers allowance' is being paid out.

Off course. I was being a bit silly (but also it's therapy for me to
kid myself, know what I mean ;o)

I know of pubs that still let people smoke. I would like to still see
a choice, even though I've made a decision. My decision is personnal,
and I suppose is the case for all quiters. Don't worry about bursting
my bubble either - that's what conversation is about. In France this
summer it was funny to see that everybody was really pleased to tell
me that they also had a ban on smoking in public, however it is not
applied in restaurants, cafes and bars ... g

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.
People aren't going to be forced to stop smoking by government
legislation! Instead they are going to the off-licence and the
chip shop/pizzeria/kebab place, and eating and drinking at home,
where they can smoke in peace...and their non-smoking pals are
joining them!

Yeah. It's better at home anyway - I get to smell all that nice smoke
for free ;o)

In France this
summer it was funny to see that everybody was really pleased to tell
me that they also had a ban on smoking in public, however it is not
applied in restaurants, cafes and bars ... g

Smoke has prevented us from eating at French cafes and restaurants in the
UK. There has also been occasions we've stepped through the door at a pub in
England and been hit in the face with a cloud of stinking smoke, so we've
just turned around and gone out the door again. The impact on pub /
restaurant / cafe's works both ways.

Only last week we were in a nice French cafe having a couple of coffees
wondering whether to have lunch there. Some bloke walked in and stood near
us puffing on a cigar. We left.

David.

On 13 Sep, 16:33, "David \(Normandy\)"
wrote:
Smoke has prevented us from eating at French cafes and restaurants in the
UK. There has also been occasions we've stepped through the door at a pub in
England and been hit in the face with a cloud of stinking smoke, so we've
just turned around and gone out the door again. The impact on pub /
restaurant / cafe's works both ways.
Only last week we were in a nice French cafe having a couple of coffees
wondering whether to have lunch there. Some bloke walked in and stood near
us puffing on a cigar. We left.

My friend Rob opened a pub last year and made it non smoking. At first
we were all like 'is he mad?'. But he was right - people slowly came
and now it's packed. It is a pub like any other - however the beer is
just that little bit better because there's no smoke ;o)

http://www.southmanchesterreporter.c...tep_ahead.html

Anne Jackson wrote:

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.

Is it? Really? That's what they said in Ireland. I believe that over there
pubs have opened, rather than closed.

In reply to Amethyst Deceiver ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Anne Jackson wrote:

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.

Is it? Really? That's what they said in Ireland. I believe that over
there pubs have opened, rather than closed.

Yes, it is, really. The pubs that are doing OK are the big town ones, the
village ones are going to the wall, as they are over here.

Bizarrely, my local, which has chucked its customers outside because most of
them are smokers, have not had the interior filled up by non-smoking
drinkers, like the nsd's said they would do in the fictitious polls
commissioned by the powers-that-be in the run up to the only law I believe
that has ever been passed in this country based solely on an opinion poll.

And all that is fact.

"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message
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In reply to Amethyst Deceiver ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Anne Jackson wrote:

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.

Is it? Really? That's what they said in Ireland. I believe that over
there pubs have opened, rather than closed.

Yes, it is, really. The pubs that are doing OK are the big town ones, the
village ones are going to the wall, as they are over here.

Bizarrely, my local, which has chucked its customers outside because most
of them are smokers, have not had the interior filled up by non-smoking
drinkers, like the nsd's said they would do in the fictitious polls
commissioned by the powers-that-be in the run up to the only law I believe
that has ever been passed in this country based solely on an opinion poll.

And all that is fact.

I think most of the country based ones are going to the wall due to the
drink-drive laws. Gone are the days when people thought it socially
acceptable to drive to such pubs, have a few drinks then drive home. This
narrows the clientele down to those who get taxi's or have a none-drinking
member of their party.

The steep price of drinks doesn't help pub trade either, except for the
single 18 to 25 years olds with little or no financial responsibilities and
lots of spare cash.

Undoubtedly heavy smokers will be less likely to go to the pub if they have
to go outside into the elements to indulge their addiction. My guess is that
over time none-smokers will start to consider pubs as a potential night out
again. Smoke filled pubs have certainly cut our custom down over the years
as it has other members of our family. We found pubs ok early in the
evening, but as they start to fill up with smokers the smog becomes
unbearable, so we tended to leave early and head off to the Chinese.

As time passes I expect we and other none-smokers will start to drift back
to clean air pubs / restaurants as a possible night out, but this takes
time. More pubs will probably have gone to the wall by then.

David.

"David (Normandy)" wrote in message
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As time passes I expect we and other none-smokers will start to drift back
to clean air pubs / restaurants as a possible night out, but this takes
time. More pubs will probably have gone to the wall by then.

David.




I have joined 2 clubs and invited to join a 3rd since the smoking ban has
been in place :-))

Mike



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In reply to Martin ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:07:36 +0100, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:

In reply to Amethyst Deceiver ) who wrote
this in , I, Marvo, say :

Anne Jackson wrote:

The number of bankruptcy cases filed by publicans is going to be
mind-blowing... so, somebody somewhere is going to pay.

Is it? Really? That's what they said in Ireland. I believe that over
there pubs have opened, rather than closed.

Yes, it is, really. The pubs that are doing OK are the big town
ones, the village ones are going to the wall, as they are over here.

They have been going to the wall for decades.

Some, yes. Not most. Mine locals certainly weren't.

Bizarrely, my local, which has chucked its customers outside because
most of them are smokers, have not had the interior filled up by
non-smoking drinkers, like the nsd's said they would do in the
fictitious polls commissioned by the powers-that-be in the run up to
the only law I believe that has ever been passed in this country
based solely on an opinion poll.

And all that is fact.


In your mind perhaps.

Information all freely available, mostly from guv sites.

On Sep 13, 2:13 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:
The message from "Mark" contains
these words:





wrote:
On 12 Sep, 18:49, wrote:
I quit over ten years ago at the same time as the Mrs. Not had
a smoke since and certainly no desire to do so.
I'd given up several times for varying durations prior to the
successful giving up. The key to success seemed to be one of
mental attitude. The first few failed times there was an attitude
of "I'm trying to give up smoking" - which just seems to cause
internal strife. The successful attitude was "I don't smoke". and
"I'm a none smoker". If you take that attitude you've already won.
Never torment yourself saying "I'd love a smoke" - if you do it's
be thin end of the giving up wedge. Just move on. It gets easier.
Eventually you'll regard cigarettes as objects of contempt.

David thank you very much. I don't know what to say - especially on
this forum, if you know what I mean. I'll get there, especially with
nice advice like you've just given me. Thank you again ))

We can't have too many smokers giving up. Otherwise something else
will get clobbered for tax.

I've been saying that for years... Can you imagine the wailing and
gnashing of teeth if everyone's income tax was to rise by five pence
in the pound? ;-)

The Treasury would be in a very bad way if everyone stopped smoking
and drinking , the revenue is ginormous even set against smoking
induced disease treatment.

Judith

On 13 Sep, 15:06, Martin wrote:
The concept of somebody, who is terrified of "chemicals" in food, smoking
overwhelms me.

As much I as do have problems with artificial chemicals in general, my
main worry is the use of chemicals in small back gardens by naive and
ridiculous people. However what has most overwhelmed me was the
realisation of somebody I thought I knew but who turned out to be a
****.

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On 13 Sep, 15:06, Martin wrote:
The concept of somebody, who is terrified of "chemicals" in food, smoking
overwhelms me.

As much I as do have problems with artificial chemicals in general, my
main worry is the use of chemicals in small back gardens by naive and
ridiculous people. However what has most overwhelmed me was the
realisation of somebody I thought I knew but who turned out to be a
****.

I didn't know we had met!(:-)