Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 11:06, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:

On Oct 3, 10:15 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article , Sacha
says...



On 3/10/07 16:44, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:

In article . com,
"Cat(h)" writes:
|
| I can't get in. I get a blank page with in the corner a barely
| visible "loading..." thingy that keeps ticking away and getting
| nowhere.

I can reach it, but it is total junk. I am not a flasher, and can't
be bothered to reverse engineer misdesigned Web nonsense unless I
have a very good reason to.

I don't think it's junk but I think it needs careful proof-reading by
someone other than its designer. There are spelling and punctuation
mistakes as in 'accidently' instead of 'accidentally' and 'your' when it
should be 'you're'. Small things but not confidence inspiring if
repetitive.

I agree about the spelling. In a former life I received lots of job
applications from people. Some people had several spelling mistakes on
the envelope (before even getting to the CV). For example spelling the
name of the company and town incorrectly. Others had the most appalling,
illegible hand writing on the envelope. In work where accuracy, clarity
and communication (both written and verbal) is important this eliminated
them before even opening the envelope and reading their CV.

Also, a surprisingly high number of people gave out-of-date or badly
spelled email addresses on their CV. On several occasions, people that
were sent interview invitations never received them due to this. The
emails bounced back to me because the email address given in the CV was
not valid.

When needing to filter out lots of applicants for one position, such
carelessness on job applications proved to be one way of eliminating
candidates.

Obviously it depended on the job. A Mike mentioned, a cleaner would not
be eliminated on the basis of their spelling. Though, it could lead to
signs on the toilet doors saying "Bog is art a horder" :-)


And why miss out on such poetry?

I had 5 attempts to unravel that one - got there finally!

But seriously, I think it should be taken as constructive criticism by
the OP, who is after all intending to make a living out of "designing"
things that are useful to people, that the website he/she uses to
advertise her/his wares puts off at least some people, and therefore
potential customers.
I still can't get in, by the way. I suspect my system here is
allergic to it.

Cat(h)


Of course it's meant as constructive criticism. The OP is aiming to be a
professional working with professionals. Communicating at the level of
those you wish to impress or seek as clients, is essential to the OP's
future. Mike never can resist taking a swipe, even when it's misleading to
original and new posters. His remarks are of no assistance to Holly
whatsoever and his bitterness with this group's distaste for him reflects
that. I do hope she hasn't been drawn into his web!
I like the first page - it's fresh, young and uncluttered. I think the
following pages could give a little more information on the experience of
the OP but as she's still a student, that may inevitably be a bit thin on
the ground. Time will take care of that. For what it's worth, I think,
too, that it's quite courageous of a young student to ask for the assistance
and opinion of a wide variety of people, some much older and more
experienced than herself. Should go far. ;-))

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 11:30, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:18:06 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 4/10/07 11:05, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:56:10 +0100, Sacha
wrote:
snip

How come OP hasn't answered?

Is the answer to the original question: NO! ?

Perhaps she's just waiting to see the comments.

Perhaps she is overwhelmed with offers?
Will old servicemen get a new website?
:)

!!!

I had in mind one where nobody except him could get in with no exit.

Like the Basques in the revolving door. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 11:25, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Oct 3, 10:15 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article , Sacha
says...



On 3/10/07 16:44, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:

In article . com,
"Cat(h)" writes:
|
| I can't get in. I get a blank page with in the corner a barely
| visible "loading..." thingy that keeps ticking away and getting
| nowhere.

I can reach it, but it is total junk. I am not a flasher, and can't
be bothered to reverse engineer misdesigned Web nonsense unless I
have a very good reason to.

I don't think it's junk but I think it needs careful proof-reading by
someone other than its designer. There are spelling and punctuation
mistakes as in 'accidently' instead of 'accidentally' and 'your' when it
should be 'you're'. Small things but not confidence inspiring if
repetitive.

I agree about the spelling. In a former life I received lots of job
applications from people. Some people had several spelling mistakes on
the envelope (before even getting to the CV). For example spelling the
name of the company and town incorrectly. Others had the most appalling,
illegible hand writing on the envelope. In work where accuracy, clarity
and communication (both written and verbal) is important this eliminated
them before even opening the envelope and reading their CV.

Also, a surprisingly high number of people gave out-of-date or badly
spelled email addresses on their CV. On several occasions, people that
were sent interview invitations never received them due to this. The
emails bounced back to me because the email address given in the CV was
not valid.

When needing to filter out lots of applicants for one position, such
carelessness on job applications proved to be one way of eliminating
candidates.

Obviously it depended on the job. A Mike mentioned, a cleaner would not
be eliminated on the basis of their spelling. Though, it could lead to
signs on the toilet doors saying "Bog is art a horder" :-)


And why miss out on such poetry?

But seriously, I think it should be taken as constructive criticism by
the OP, who is after all intending to make a living out of "designing"
things that are useful to people, that the website he/she uses to
advertise her/his wares puts off at least some people, and therefore
potential customers.
I still can't get in, by the way. I suspect my system here is
allergic to it.

Cat(h)


I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what
Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain,
please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
| Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
| the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
| seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to Nick Maclaren ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:

I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past
the Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this
is due to the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use
of JavaScript seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary
use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.

It called Catch-22. Micro$loth did it when they pre-released NT4, how I
laughed, you couldn't install the CD drivers because they were on a CD. When
I rang them to find out what I was supposed to do, they said it was the
first time anyone had reported such a problem. Whoops. And, furthermore,
D'Oh.

Seems so long ago now.

:-)

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On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
| Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
| the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
| seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.

To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy
software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those
packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays.
I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to
mucho pared down presentations, which give information without
distraction.
Good design must be uncluttered and functional.
That also applies to website design.
I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into
the website is because my security system registers it as potentially
non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles.
It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of
potential customers.
But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time -
maybe even with a little help from this thread.

Cat(h)




Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Hi, thanks for all of your messages!

First of all, thankyou for pointing out the spelling mistakes. I know they are there and will be proof reading and correcting them as soon as possible. Having lots of work to do and no internet access at home means these things happen :)

Also, im not a web designer by any means, this is my first attempt at a website. Although I am happy to take critisism (I know the site isnt perfect), im just happy to have achieved anything at all! Just as a note, the website wont work unless you have flash on your computer.

As for my design specialism, I am a '3D Designer', which basically means I can design a pretty broad range of products. I am not an engineer or an architect however, so the boundaries are only with what I have the skills to do.

Thankyou for reponses so far on my website, if anyone else has suggestions or thoughts for products that could be good for gardeners or any other ideas, please dont hesitate to contact me. Holly.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In message , Sacha
writes
On 4/10/07 11:25, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Oct 3, 10:15 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article , Sacha
says...



On 3/10/07 16:44, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:

In article . com,
"Cat(h)" writes:
|
| I can't get in. I get a blank page with in the corner a barely
| visible "loading..." thingy that keeps ticking away and getting
| nowhere.

I can reach it, but it is total junk. I am not a flasher, and can't
be bothered to reverse engineer misdesigned Web nonsense unless I
have a very good reason to.

I don't think it's junk but I think it needs careful proof-reading by
someone other than its designer. There are spelling and punctuation
mistakes as in 'accidently' instead of 'accidentally' and 'your' when it
should be 'you're'. Small things but not confidence inspiring if
repetitive.

I agree about the spelling. In a former life I received lots of job
applications from people. Some people had several spelling mistakes on
the envelope (before even getting to the CV). For example spelling the
name of the company and town incorrectly. Others had the most appalling,
illegible hand writing on the envelope. In work where accuracy, clarity
and communication (both written and verbal) is important this eliminated
them before even opening the envelope and reading their CV.

Also, a surprisingly high number of people gave out-of-date or badly
spelled email addresses on their CV. On several occasions, people that
were sent interview invitations never received them due to this. The
emails bounced back to me because the email address given in the CV was
not valid.

When needing to filter out lots of applicants for one position, such
carelessness on job applications proved to be one way of eliminating
candidates.

Obviously it depended on the job. A Mike mentioned, a cleaner would not
be eliminated on the basis of their spelling. Though, it could lead to
signs on the toilet doors saying "Bog is art a horder" :-)


And why miss out on such poetry?

But seriously, I think it should be taken as constructive criticism by
the OP, who is after all intending to make a living out of "designing"
things that are useful to people, that the website he/she uses to
advertise her/his wares puts off at least some people, and therefore
potential customers.
I still can't get in, by the way. I suspect my system here is
allergic to it.

Cat(h)


I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what
Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain,
please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW.

Flash is a browser plugin that displays (possibly interactive)
animations (.swf files). It is often misused to display static images.
(If you want to use part of static images as links the appropriate
method is to use the MAP feature of HTML.

I don't know how dangerous Flash is - for all I know it might be
properly sandboxed[1] and robustly designed against buffer overrun
attacks[2] and other exploits[3] - but it seems to be disabled when
other active content is disabled. (In general allowing web sites to
execute arbitrary software on your computer is a bad idea.)

JavaScript is not the same as Java. There is a connection in that
JavaScript supports scripting of Java applets, but the relationship is
much more tenuous that the names suggest.

JavaScript is a client side scripting language. The proper use of
JavaScript is for interactive web sites (to save on bandwidth and server
CPU cycles). (I think that JavaScript can also be used as server side
scripting language, but PHP, PERL, ASP, etc, are more commonly used for
that purpose.)

Both Java Applets and JavaScript are supposed to be properly sandboxed.

[1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities of
your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or
incompetently programmed.

[2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively programmed
piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110 characters where
only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other data; depending on what
the data is it can have severe effects.

[3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a computer.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

One of the standard principles of user interface design (which predates
the Internet) is that the first page or pages should be simple, and
need as few resources as possible.

Her first page is quite simple - just an enter button (ok so I haven't
checked how thats implimented).


This isn't just for people on the
other end of lengths of wet string or behind paranoid firewalls, but
is needed to make it accessible to disabled people.

Agreed.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

Anyone else actually sent an idea?

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what
| Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain,
| please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW.

I fail to see why anyone should be required to know about those
disgusting minutiae, but they do :-( Anyway:

Flash (or ShockWave Flash) is an application that bolts into your
browser to display cartoons. It is considerably less heavyweight
than a video add-on, but more so than a static graphic one (such as
one for JPEG, as with files like fruitflies.jpg).

Java is a general-purpose, fully-functional scripting language and
has nothing to do with JavaScript, but can be used in the same way.
It is considerably less repulsive and more secure.

JavaScript is a hacked-up scripting language that bolts into your
browser to allow the Web server you are visiting to do horrible
things to your computer (i.e. run programs on it). You had better
pray that either it wasn't written by a malicious hacker or that
your local JavaScript interpreter is tolerably secure.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
| Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
| the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
| seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.

To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy
software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those
packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays.
I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to
mucho pared down presentations, which give information without
distraction.
Good design must be uncluttered and functional.
That also applies to website design.
I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into
the website is because my security system registers it as potentially
non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles.
It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of
potential customers.
But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time -
maybe even with a little help from this thread.

Cat(h)

Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design
software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS
FrontPage were notorious.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

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"CWatters" wrote in message
...
Anyone else actually sent an idea?



Yes.

Something which once designed and worked out how to make it could go to
China for manufacture. I have not found a way to make a one off for 'proto
type' and failed to do 'field trials' a few years back when it rose very
high in an Innovative Awards Scheme run by a major leading company. The lack
of 'field trials' barred it from further advancement into the finals. The
Patent has now run out as I only took a temporary at the time.

Mike


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On 4/10/07 12:21, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what
| Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain,
| please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW.

I fail to see why anyone should be required to know about those
disgusting minutiae, but they do :-( Anyway:

Flash (or ShockWave Flash) is an application that bolts into your
browser to display cartoons. It is considerably less heavyweight
than a video add-on, but more so than a static graphic one (such as
one for JPEG, as with files like fruitflies.jpg).

Java is a general-purpose, fully-functional scripting language and
has nothing to do with JavaScript, but can be used in the same way.
It is considerably less repulsive and more secure.

JavaScript is a hacked-up scripting language that bolts into your
browser to allow the Web server you are visiting to do horrible
things to your computer (i.e. run programs on it). You had better
pray that either it wasn't written by a malicious hacker or that
your local JavaScript interpreter is tolerably secure.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Thanks, Nick. I don't see any Flash on Holly's site, so perhaps that's
because I use a Mac.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 12:41, in article , "Uncle
Marvo" wrote:

In reply to CWatters ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Anyone else actually sent an idea?

I could, but I don't think mine is a big enough project for a final year at
uni. I shall send it to Holly anyway, she can scrap it if she has anything
better :-)


I've forwarded her post to a couple of people who might be able to help - no
promises, of course. One is in advertising.


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 12:23, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
| Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
| the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
| seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.

To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy
software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those
packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays.
I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to
mucho pared down presentations, which give information without
distraction.
Good design must be uncluttered and functional.
That also applies to website design.
I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into
the website is because my security system registers it as potentially
non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles.
It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of
potential customers.
But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time -
maybe even with a little help from this thread.

Cat(h)

Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design
software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS
FrontPage were notorious.

And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to
design a page using all the bolt-on goodies.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to CWatters ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Anyone else actually sent an idea?

I could, but I don't think mine is a big enough project for a final year at
uni. I shall send it to Holly anyway, she can scrap it if she has anything
better :-)

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 12:14, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

snip

Flash is a browser plugin that displays (possibly interactive)
animations (.swf files). It is often misused to display static images.
(If you want to use part of static images as links the appropriate
method is to use the MAP feature of HTML.

I don't know how dangerous Flash is - for all I know it might be
properly sandboxed[1] and robustly designed against buffer overrun
attacks[2] and other exploits[3] - but it seems to be disabled when
other active content is disabled. (In general allowing web sites to
execute arbitrary software on your computer is a bad idea.)

JavaScript is not the same as Java. There is a connection in that
JavaScript supports scripting of Java applets, but the relationship is
much more tenuous that the names suggest.

JavaScript is a client side scripting language. The proper use of
JavaScript is for interactive web sites (to save on bandwidth and server
CPU cycles). (I think that JavaScript can also be used as server side
scripting language, but PHP, PERL, ASP, etc, are more commonly used for
that purpose.)

Both Java Applets and JavaScript are supposed to be properly sandboxed.

[1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities of
your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or
incompetently programmed.

[2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively programmed
piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110 characters where
only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other data; depending on what
the data is it can have severe effects.

[3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a computer.

I don't think I'd grasped how dangerous it is out there!! I'm extremely
cautious about emails with attachments but this sounds v. worrying! Thank
you for bothering to go into all this, though. I'm beginning to get a faint
grasp of the essentials.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

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On Oct 4, 12:40 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 4/10/07 12:23, in article , "Stewart Robert





Hinsley" wrote:
In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the
| Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to
| the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript
| seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.)

Yes :-(

I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages
was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no
JavaScript was handled by JavaScript.

D'oh.

To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy
software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those
packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays.
I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to
mucho pared down presentations, which give information without
distraction.
Good design must be uncluttered and functional.
That also applies to website design.
I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into
the website is because my security system registers it as potentially
non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles.
It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of
potential customers.
But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time -
maybe even with a little help from this thread.

Cat(h)

Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design
software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS
FrontPage were notorious.

And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to
design a page using all the bolt-on goodies.

A sort of "how not to do it" project?
Maybe the entire purpose of her post here is to get hammered by
Microsoftophobes and other insufferable techies, to prove that a good
website is a plain and simple one :-)
Poor thing!
I'd love it if she could design me a hoe that weeds in a permanent
fashion. Her fortune would be made.

Cat(h)

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"designmea" wrote in message
...

Hi, im a final year 3D Design student at University College Falmouth in
Cornwall. Im looking for my next project, and was wondering if anyone
on this forum would be willing to help me out?

Well as you will have seen Holly, in general........ 'no'. :-((


Im looking for someone to design something for. This person doesnt
neccessarily have to have a product in mind, they just need to be
willing to share a little information about their lifestyle and
interests, gardening for example!

You will have noticed that gardening has come very low on the list of
replies. I agree it was a 'for example' so you no doubt expected it to be
low on suggestions. However the suggestion I have emaile you will give you a
bit of headscraching to do :-)


Please have a look at my website for more details:

Now this is where the urglers have really gone to town. They have NOT
grasped that you are not asking for critisism about your website. They feel
that you should re design it to their liking!! But here you have a couple of
problems. 1. You are not a web designer and you are NOT asking people to
design their website and 2. There are so many argumentative people here, you
will NEVER EVER design a web site to please all of them.


www.designmea.moonfruit.com


Is a site which is satisfactory to you and passes the message out that you
are looking for something to design. You achieved number one in selling,
Attention. number two is interest. Unfortunatley, the subscribers to this
newsgroup found something else to 'interest' them ......... having a go at
you!! Join the club!!


Or contact me through this forum!

Be brave Holly, stick your head above the parapet and face them :-)) but
don't take it in a 'personal' manner. They are ALL experts at everything and
were all born with the knowledge they have now. Just envy them, .... or not
as the case may be :-))


Thanks, Holly

Best wishes for your future and face the 'human challenge's as part of life
:-))

Mike


--
www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and
Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success.
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to
| design a page using all the bolt-on goodies.

It wouldn't be the first time that I have felt a deep desire for a
few minutes alone with a course supervisor, in a dark alley, with me
carrying my industrial strength cluestick.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to Sacha ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

[1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities
of your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or
incompetently programmed.

[2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively
programmed piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110
characters where only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other
data; depending on what the data is it can have severe effects.

[3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a
computer.

I don't think I'd grasped how dangerous it is out there!! I'm
extremely cautious about emails with attachments but this sounds v.
worrying! Thank you for bothering to go into all this, though. I'm
beginning to get a faint grasp of the essentials.

You've got a Mac. I wouldn't worry.

It never ceases to amaze me how, whatever the subject of a thread, they seem
to end up talking (normally out of a hat) about technical things. I suspect
it is something to do with the medium.

Can't the technical rubbish be put in another thread, or something?

Just an idea.

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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message
...

It never ceases to amaze me how, whatever the subject of a thread, they
seem to end up talking (normally out of a hat) about technical things. I
suspect it is something to do with the medium.

Can't the technical rubbish be put in another thread, or something?


:-))

See my post of 12.51

;-))

Kind regards

Mike


--
www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and
Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success.
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand

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On Oct 4, 12:51 pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
"designmea" wrote in message

...



Hi, im a final year 3D Design student at University College Falmouth in
Cornwall. Im looking for my next project, and was wondering if anyone
on this forum would be willing to help me out?

Well as you will have seen Holly, in general........ 'no'. :-((



Im looking for someone to design something for. This person doesnt
neccessarily have to have a product in mind, they just need to be
willing to share a little information about their lifestyle and
interests, gardening for example!

You will have noticed that gardening has come very low on the list of
replies. I agree it was a 'for example' so you no doubt expected it to be
low on suggestions. However the suggestion I have emaile you will give you a
bit of headscraching to do :-)



Please have a look at my website for more details:

Now this is where the urglers have really gone to town. They have NOT
grasped that you are not asking for critisism about your website. They feel
that you should re design it to their liking!! But here you have a couple of
problems. 1. You are not a web designer and you are NOT asking people to
design their website and 2. There are so many argumentative people here, you
will NEVER EVER design a web site to please all of them.



www.designmea.moonfruit.com

Is a site which is satisfactory to you and passes the message out that you
are looking for something to design. You achieved number one in selling,
Attention. number two is interest. Unfortunatley, the subscribers to this
newsgroup found something else to 'interest' them ......... having a go at
you!! Join the club!!



Or contact me through this forum!

Be brave Holly, stick your head above the parapet and face them :-)) but
don't take it in a 'personal' manner. They are ALL experts at everything and
were all born with the knowledge they have now. Just envy them, .... or not
as the case may be :-))



Thanks, Holly

Best wishes for your future and face the 'human challenge's as part of life
:-))

Mike


I saw no-one having a go at the young lady.
I saw plenty of feed back at the shop window (website) she uses to
promote her project - some positive, some negative - which she might
just see for what it is, constructive criticism which is helpful to
her. As a designer, it is important that she would get a real feel
for the response of her audience to what she designs, even her
website, surely?
And if she delivers on my permanent weeding hoe, she's guaranteed to
become a gazillionnaire, and even more worthwhile, my eternal
gratitude ;-)

Cat(h) (so lighten up a smidgen, eh?)

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
says...

Both Java Applets and JavaScript are supposed to be properly sandboxed.

[1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities of
your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or
incompetently programmed.

[2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively programmed
piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110 characters where
only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other data; depending on what
the data is it can have severe effects.

[3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a computer.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

I always browse with JavaScript disabled. I read a few months ago of a
security expert demonstrating that it is possible to create a scenario
whereby control can break out beyond the sand box. I don't know if
exploits of this are out in the wild yet, but apparently the exploit was
impossible to block as the attack was constructed with simple standard
JavaScript (just used in an unconventional way). The "fix" would
apparently render JavaScript useless.

This of course means that if you simply visit the wrong web site with
JavaScript enabled, then you have handed the keys of your computer to
someone else, who can do or plant whatever malware they like on your
computer. This security breach will still happen on fully patched
Windows systems with up to date firewall and anti-virus software. To
make matters worse, apparently with cross-site scripting the malware can
even be put onto your system via "legitimate" web sites too.

I'm beginning to think that two (none-networked) computers are necessary
nowadays. One for browsing the web in general and one for accessing
online bank accounts or other sensitive sites.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

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In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
And if she delivers on my permanent weeding hoe, she's guaranteed to
become a gazillionnaire, and even more worthwhile, my eternal
gratitude ;-)

A how with a reservoir (which you can fill up with glyphosate solution)
which is connected to the working surface by capillary tubes?

I suspect that getting the delivery rate correct (and efficient) is
non-trivial, and that there's likely to be a problem with the delivery
tubes getting clogged at the outlet end.

Cat(h) (so lighten up a smidgen, eh?)


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article , Sacha
says...
Obviously it depended on the job. A Mike mentioned, a cleaner would not
be eliminated on the basis of their spelling. Though, it could lead to
signs on the toilet doors saying "Bog is art a horder" :-)


And why miss out on such poetry?

I had 5 attempts to unravel that one - got there finally!

Once I saw a white van with the lettering "Garden Maintinince" or
similar spelling error. I couldn't help wondering if it was accidental
or like the badly spelled sign outside Arkwright's (Ronny Barker's) shop
- there as a lure to get people through the door so he could sell them
something.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

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On Oct 4, 1:24 pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes

And if she delivers on my permanent weeding hoe, she's guaranteed to
become a gazillionnaire, and even more worthwhile, my eternal
gratitude ;-)

A how with a reservoir (which you can fill up with glyphosate solution)
which is connected to the working surface by capillary tubes?

I suspect that getting the delivery rate correct (and efficient) is
non-trivial, and that there's likely to be a problem with the delivery
tubes getting clogged at the outlet end.


I'm being rather more challenging than that: I want *permanent* weed
removal. As in pluck once in a lifetime. As in creeping-buttercup-
begone-never-to-be-seen-again. As in total weed sterility (with
perfect wanted plant fruitfulness, of course).
I wonder if the laser technology for unwanted hair removal could be
adapted...
Hey, I may as well dream here as elsewhere?

Cat(h)

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to 'Mike' ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message
...

It never ceases to amaze me how, whatever the subject of a thread,
they seem to end up talking (normally out of a hat) about technical
things. I suspect it is something to do with the medium.

Can't the technical rubbish be put in another thread, or something?


:-))

See my post of 12.51

;-))

I bet it said the same. I can't find it though, because I am inept at
technical things like this

;-)))))

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to Stewart Robert Hinsley ) who wrote
this in lid, I, Marvo, say :

In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
And if she delivers on my permanent weeding hoe, she's guaranteed to
become a gazillionnaire, and even more worthwhile, my eternal
gratitude ;-)

A how with a reservoir (which you can fill up with glyphosate
solution) which is connected to the working surface by capillary
tubes?
I suspect that getting the delivery rate correct (and efficient) is
non-trivial, and that there's likely to be a problem with the delivery
tubes getting clogged at the outlet end.

Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.

:-)

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
Martin writes:
|
| Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.
|
| or VMS.

Now, that is getting a bit too geekish :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article , Nick Maclaren says...

In article ,
Martin writes:
|
| Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.
|
| or VMS.

Now, that is getting a bit too geekish :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

DEC VAX VMS. Sweet memories of a "proper" operating system.

I swear more than half the contributors to this group are either current
or ex IT.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

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On 4/10/07 12:51, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to
| design a page using all the bolt-on goodies.

It wouldn't be the first time that I have felt a deep desire for a
few minutes alone with a course supervisor, in a dark alley, with me
carrying my industrial strength cluestick.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

;-))

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

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On 4/10/07 13:24, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes
And if she delivers on my permanent weeding hoe, she's guaranteed to
become a gazillionnaire, and even more worthwhile, my eternal
gratitude ;-)

A how with a reservoir (which you can fill up with glyphosate solution)
which is connected to the working surface by capillary tubes?

I suspect that getting the delivery rate correct (and efficient) is
non-trivial, and that there's likely to be a problem with the delivery
tubes getting clogged at the outlet end.

We don't have the hoe bit but we do have a long plastic tube which can be
filled with weed killer. A piece of rope or somesuch goes across the bottom
of the head of the tube, absorbs the weed killer and allows it to be
selectively dabbed onto plants very safely.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In reply to David in Normandy ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

In article , Nick Maclaren says...

In article ,
Martin writes:

Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.

or VMS.

Now, that is getting a bit too geekish :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

DEC VAX VMS. Sweet memories of a "proper" operating system.

I swear more than half the contributors to this group are either
current or ex IT.

I swear that the other half think they are.

Sorry :-)

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

David in Normandy wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren says...

In article ,
Martin writes:
|
| Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.
|
| or VMS.

Now, that is getting a bit too geekish :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


DEC VAX VMS. Sweet memories of a "proper" operating system.

I swear more than half the contributors to this group are either current
or ex IT.

Hey, and one of us (i.e. one of me :-) is still a current
VMS consultant !

VMS - when downtime is not an option.

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

On 4/10/07 12:12, in article ,
"designmea" wrote:


Hi, thanks for all of your messages!

First of all, thankyou for pointing out the spelling mistakes. I know
they are there and will be proof reading and correcting them as soon as
possible. Having lots of work to do and no internet access at home means
these things happen :)

Also, im not a web designer by any means, this is my first attempt at a
website. Although I am happy to take critisism (I know the site isnt
perfect), im just happy to have achieved anything at all! Just as a
note, the website wont work unless you have flash on your computer.

As for my design specialism, I am a '3D Designer', which basically
means I can design a pretty broad range of products. I am not an
engineer or an architect however, so the boundaries are only with what
I have the skills to do.

Thankyou for reponses so far on my website, if anyone else has
suggestions or thoughts for products that could be good for gardeners
or any other ideas, please dont hesitate to contact me. Holly.



Well, you've already got Cat's request for a lethal hoe. ;-) Good luck,
Holly.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article , Sacha
says...
On 4/10/07 12:12, in article ,
"designmea" wrote:


Hi, thanks for all of your messages!

First of all, thankyou for pointing out the spelling mistakes. I know
they are there and will be proof reading and correcting them as soon as
possible. Having lots of work to do and no internet access at home means
these things happen :)

Also, im not a web designer by any means, this is my first attempt at a
website. Although I am happy to take critisism (I know the site isnt
perfect), im just happy to have achieved anything at all! Just as a
note, the website wont work unless you have flash on your computer.

As for my design specialism, I am a '3D Designer', which basically
means I can design a pretty broad range of products. I am not an
engineer or an architect however, so the boundaries are only with what
I have the skills to do.

Thankyou for reponses so far on my website, if anyone else has
suggestions or thoughts for products that could be good for gardeners
or any other ideas, please dont hesitate to contact me. Holly.



Well, you've already got Cat's request for a lethal hoe. ;-) Good luck,
Holly.



How about a mole trap that works and is quick and easy to set without
losing fingers?
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

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In article , R.A.Omond says...
Hey, and one of us (i.e. one of me :-) is still a current
VMS consultant !

VMS - when downtime is not an option.


If you need any job control language writing I'm your man! It's been a
good few years but I'm sure the VMS grey cells are still there under the
dust :-)
Getting way off topic now, but I once wrote a very large JCL program to
monitor and regulate the system, run various jobs, backups, reports etc.
I even gave it it's own username space to run in "Marvin". It would
monitor and log off idle users and send messages to appropriate people
saying printers had run out of paper etc. It got quite chatty with one
user one day and they phoned up the I.T. dept asking to speak to Marvin
:-)
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

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In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
|
| Getting way off topic now, but I once wrote a very large JCL program to
| monitor and regulate the system, run various jobs, backups, reports etc.
| I even gave it it's own username space to run in "Marvin". It would
| monitor and log off idle users and send messages to appropriate people
| saying printers had run out of paper etc. It got quite chatty with one
| user one day and they phoned up the I.T. dept asking to speak to Marvin
| :-)

You should have said that he had eloped with Eliza :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.