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Nick Maclaren 10-10-2007 11:31 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| I am getting too old. My memory of "where" is not what it was.
| If I recall, it was in some 19th century childrens' books and others
| that had references to empty houses.
|
| I doubt that wax would have been left in empty houses.

Yes, it was. The aristocracy often lived in different houses during
different times of year, and such durable consumables were not moved
with the inhabitants. The same would have happened with the people
(e.g. some shepherds) who had fixed accomodation but lived away from
it for extended periods.

| Beeswax was the standard hard
| wax in the UK before the industrial revolution.
|
| You think I don't know that? :-)

Of course you do - others may not.

| I have seen that - but am not prepared to swear that the mice regarded
| them as MUCH more edible than PVC. The damage was the amount that is
| typical for potatoes or PVC.
|
| So that - and your C19th children's books, are your evidence?

Sigh. It is not all. As I said, I have had several people tell me
the same, and I have seen references in other books, too.

| I asked for evidence. I doubt that you'd accept that :-)

I would accept it as evidence. If you can provide evidence that you
know the difference between mouse damage and other damage, I would
regard it as proof that mice sometimes eat such candles. I did NOT
claim that beeswax was a significant item of a mouses diet, or that
they favoured it as food.

Please do distinguish (a) evidence from proof and (b) evidence of
occurrence from evidence of prevalence.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


Cat(h) 10-10-2007 11:47 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 10, 10:37 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message

...





On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:


On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.


A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)


Mary
gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.

and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/

which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?

But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.


Hmmm.

Cat(h)


Mary Fisher 10-10-2007 11:48 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

|
| I doubt that wax would have been left in empty houses.

Yes, it was. The aristocracy often lived in different houses during
different times of year, and such durable consumables were not moved
with the inhabitants. The same would have happened with the people
(e.g. some shepherds) who had fixed accomodation but lived away from
it for extended periods.


Shepherds would not have used beeswax candles.

I think I know more about this subject than you do.

I'm sure there are many things you know more about than I do :-)

Mary



Nick Maclaren 10-10-2007 12:11 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| | I doubt that wax would have been left in empty houses.
|
| Yes, it was. The aristocracy often lived in different houses during
| different times of year, and such durable consumables were not moved
| with the inhabitants. The same would have happened with the people
| (e.g. some shepherds) who had fixed accomodation but lived away from
| it for extended periods.
|
| Shepherds would not have used beeswax candles.

Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Martin Bonner 10-10-2007 12:29 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 8, 6:50 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article . com, Des
Higgins says...

Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


:-)

I've still got backups of some Fortran software I wrote on punched paper
rolls. There is probably no equipment left on the planet to load the
software now (unless it is in a museum).

More recently I've got stacks of backups on 5.25" disks but no hardware
to read them any more. My archive on 3.5" disks are also heading the
same way with only one computer left in my possession capable of reading
them.

Makes you wonder just how recoverable various important National
archives are? We take it for granted that various paper based records
can go back several hundred years, but what of digitally stored records?


Rough rule of thumb for determining storage media:

Data to be kept for one year: magnetic/electronic
Data to be kept for ten years: Optical
Data to be kept for one century: ordinary ink on paper
Data to be kept for one millenium: Papyrus, Vellum, or similar

If you want longer than that, you are probably going to need baked
clay tablets (or arrange for regular transcription).


Mary Fisher 10-10-2007 12:54 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| | I doubt that wax would have been left in empty houses.
|
| Yes, it was. The aristocracy often lived in different houses during
| different times of year, and such durable consumables were not moved
| with the inhabitants. The same would have happened with the people
| (e.g. some shepherds) who had fixed accomodation but lived away from
| it for extended periods.
|
| Shepherds would not have used beeswax candles.

Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Very big sigh


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




David in Normandy[_3_] 10-10-2007 01:00 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In article , Mary Fisher
says...


Very big sigh



Even bigger sigh!
While you can both wax lyrical on the subject I'm tempted to knock your
heads together.
The snarling is getting on my wick :-)
Snuff it!
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

Mary Fisher 10-10-2007 03:47 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"David in Normandy" wrote in message
...
In article , Mary Fisher
says...


Very big sigh



Even bigger sigh!
While you can both wax lyrical on the subject I'm tempted to knock your
heads together.
The snarling is getting on my wick :-)
Snuff it!


:-)

If a candle is snuffed it burns more brightly ...

My big sigh was the last of my contributions but, although I'm flattered,
you didn't have to read it :-)

Mary



[email protected] 10-10-2007 04:50 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 10 Oct, 12:11, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


'Mike' 10-10-2007 05:22 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 



wrote in message
ups.com...
On 10 Oct, 12:11, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


No. BMW stands for Berlin Motor Works :-))

Kindest regards

Mike


--
www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and
Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success.
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
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Cat(h) 10-10-2007 05:40 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 10, 4:50 pm, wrote:
On 10 Oct, 12:11, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


Blessed.

Cat(h)


Nick Maclaren 10-10-2007 05:40 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article . com,
writes:
|
| Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
| confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
| in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
| would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
| have had one or two, small, votive candles.
|
| Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
| if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
| stands for Blue?

Eh? Could you explain?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

David in Normandy[_3_] 10-10-2007 06:01 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In article . com,
says...
On 10 Oct, 12:11, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


Blessed I think?
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

Nick Maclaren 10-10-2007 06:17 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article . com,
| says...
|
| Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
| confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
| in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
| would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
| have had one or two, small, votive candles.
|
| Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
| if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
| stands for Blue?
|
| Blessed I think?

It's definitely Blessed, but I still don't understand the posting.
It's a little clearer since I noticed the BMW - which I had, of course,
read as the BVM I was expecting ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

David in Normandy[_3_] 10-10-2007 06:29 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In article , Mary Fisher
says...
My big sigh was the last of my contributions but, although I'm flattered,
you didn't have to read it :-)

Mary


I have a passing interest in candles, so followed the debate. I make my
own occasionally from left over wax of commercial candles. The likes of
Ikea sell church candles with a too-small wick, so they burn and leave
wide walls of wax which have to be cut off periodically. So rather than
wasting the wax I make new ones, moulding them with kitchen foil
cardboard inners with a piece of string fixed between both ends. Works
well, provided the hot wax doesn't melt the selotape holding the ends in
and leak.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

Des Higgins 10-10-2007 08:28 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 10, 5:22 pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

On 10 Oct, 12:11, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt candles
in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them. A shepherd
would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light, but might well
have had one or two, small, votive candles.


Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


No. BMW stands for Berlin Motor Works :-))


This is completetley tangential and not relevant to anything important
but it is
Bayerische Motoren Werke which is German for Bavarian Motor Works.

Des


Kindest regards

Mike

--www.rneba.org.ukfor the latest pictures of the very first reunion and
Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success.
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navywww.rneba.org.ukto find your ex-Greenie mess mateswww.iowtours.comfor all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand




Des Higgins 10-10-2007 08:35 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "Cat(h)" wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:37 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:





"Cat(h)" wrote in message


.. .


On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:


On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.


A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)


Mary
gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.


and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/


which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?


But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.


Hmmm.

Cat(h)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


How is yer heart rate after the weekend exertions? I presume you
watched a certain rugby match on Saturday night. Have you calmed down
yet. I saw Frederic Michalak and his thighs and I thought of you.

Des




Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 09:15 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to Nick Maclaren ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
In article . com,
says...

Sigh. Votive candles were beeswax. I was given one as part of my
confirmation, as a symbol, to keep. Roman catholics also burnt
candles in front of images of the BVM, if they could afford them.
A shepherd would clearly not have used beeswax candles for light,
but might well have had one or two, small, votive candles.

Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the
BMW if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary.
Does the B stands for Blue?

Blessed I think?


It's definitely Blessed, but I still don't understand the posting.
It's a little clearer since I noticed the BMW - which I had, of
course, read as the BVM I was expecting ....

Me too.

This is uber-OT, but does anyone know why there are so many BMWs with
personalised plates reading BWV followed by the model number of the BMW? Has
someone bought all the BMW plates as a job lot?

When I had a BMW many years ago it was a "quality" car. Now it is the reps'
favourite :-)



[email protected] 11-10-2007 10:52 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 10 Oct, 17:40, "Cat(h)" wrote:
Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the B
stands for Blue?


Blessed.


Off course! While you're there ... saturday greniad crossword, stuck
on: across 1 Liniment - cabinet room (anag) (11) - I've already got 2
down for Cut Grass (3) which is Mow, 3 down Full (7) which is replete,
giving me for 1 across -M-R-----O-. The O is from 6 down Banish from
group (9) which I think is ostricise. I haven't found 5 down One of
elder gods defeated by Zeus (5) which should be the 8th letter.
Anyone?


[email protected] 11-10-2007 11:14 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
embrocation


OOhh... you're good. Ta very much. I know who to ask next Saturday ;o)


Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 11:16 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

On 10 Oct, 17:40, "Cat(h)" wrote:
Read that as : Catholics burnt candles in front of images of the BMW
if they could afford them. Now, VM stands for Virgin Mary. Does the
B stands for Blue?


Blessed.


Off course! While you're there ... saturday greniad crossword, stuck
on: across 1 Liniment - cabinet room (anag) (11) - I've already got 2
down for Cut Grass (3) which is Mow, 3 down Full (7) which is replete,
giving me for 1 across -M-R-----O-. The O is from 6 down Banish from
group (9) which I think is ostricise. I haven't found 5 down One of
elder gods defeated by Zeus (5) which should be the 8th letter.
Anyone?


embrocation



[email protected] 11-10-2007 11:17 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
embrocation


Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods defeated
by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.


Nick Maclaren 11-10-2007 11:23 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article . com,
writes:
| On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
| wrote:
| embrocation
|
| Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods defeated
| by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.

I think that you have it wrong. The only 5-letter ones I can find are
Theia, Coeus, Crius and (possibly) Atlas.

Clue: Search for "Titans".


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 11:34 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
embrocation


Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods defeated
by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.


There were only 12 and none have 5 letters or begin with T!

What have you got wrong?



Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 11:37 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to Nick Maclaren ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

In article . com,
writes:
On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
embrocation

Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods
defeated by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.


I think that you have it wrong. The only 5-letter ones I can find are
Theia, Coeus, Crius and (possibly) Atlas.

Clue: Search for "Titans".

They weren't elder Gods, though. Not in the classical sense.

He probably went postal and bashed up one of the Romans' ones by mistake :-)

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible questions,
sometimes.



Nick Maclaren 11-10-2007 11:44 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Uncle Marvo" writes:
|
| Clue: Search for "Titans".
|
| They weren't elder Gods, though. Not in the classical sense.

The victor always defines the terminology!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[email protected] 11-10-2007 11:47 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 11 Oct, 11:34, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
In reply to ) who wrote this in
Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods defeated
by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.

There were only 12 and none have 5 letters or begin with T!
What have you got wrong?


From Embrocation, 2 down Cut grass (3) Mow, 3 down Full (7) Replete,

4 down I don't know, Grapple - confirm (6) then 5 down One of elder
gods defeated by Zeus (5) and that should start with the T from
Embrocation. Innit.



Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 12:08 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

On 11 Oct, 11:16, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
embrocation


OOhh... you're good. Ta very much. I know who to ask next Saturday ;o)


I'm not good, I'm just English :-)



Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 12:17 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

On 11 Oct, 11:34, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote:
In reply to ) who wrote this in
Err.. me again. If 5 down start with T, got One of elder gods
defeated by Zeus (5) ... who is he? I've got T-R-S.

There were only 12 and none have 5 letters or begin with T!
What have you got wrong?


From Embrocation, 2 down Cut grass (3) Mow, 3 down Full (7) Replete,

4 down I don't know, Grapple - confirm (6) then 5 down One of elder
gods defeated by Zeus (5) and that should start with the T from
Embrocation. Innit.


I have mailed someone who will definitely know.

That means that several people can now get on with some work :-)



Rhiannon_s 11-10-2007 01:27 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Uncle Marvo" writes:
|
| Clue: Search for "Titans".
|
| They weren't elder Gods, though. Not in the classical sense.

The victor always defines the terminology!



I'm nicking that for a sig line btw:o)
--
There is no God but Eris, and Jay and Silent Bob are her Prophets.



Cat(h) 11-10-2007 01:48 PM

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On Oct 10, 8:35 pm, Des Higgins wrote:
On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "Cat(h)" wrote:





On Oct 10, 10:37 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message


.. .


On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:


On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.


A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)


Mary
gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.


and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/


which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?


But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.


Hmmm.


Cat(h)- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


How is yer heart rate after the weekend exertions? I presume you
watched a certain rugby match on Saturday night.


To my eternal shame, I missed it. I was waylaid, your Honor (and none
of your filty mind, Mister!)

Have you calmed down
yet.


Er. No. Not a hope tempting me from my telly on Sat night though.

I saw Frederic Michalak and his thighs and I thought of you.


I didn't think the similarities were *that* uncanny.

Cat(h) (quickly checking out the oul' quads)




K 11-10-2007 04:58 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
Uncle Marvo writes

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible questions,
sometimes.

It'd be a lot more sense if you were to do the 'cryptic' and not the
'quick'. Then you'd get unambiguous clues.


--
Kay

Uncle Marvo 11-10-2007 05:15 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible
questions, sometimes.

It'd be a lot more sense if you were to do the 'cryptic' and not the
'quick'. Then you'd get unambiguous clues.


I only do the cryptic. Once I've done the killer, fiendish and whatever
other Su Doku they give you, the word puzzle and the Polygon. And been down
the pub.

I don't read the paper itself, someone else has that. I pay 10p for the
Times 2 and the back page for the crossword. Bargain.

:-)



K 11-10-2007 05:38 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
Uncle Marvo writes
In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible
questions, sometimes.

It'd be a lot more sense if you were to do the 'cryptic' and not the
'quick'. Then you'd get unambiguous clues.


I only do the cryptic. Once I've done the killer, fiendish and whatever
other Su Doku they give you, the word puzzle and the Polygon. And been down
the pub.

I don't read the paper itself, someone else has that. I pay 10p for the
Times 2 and the back page for the crossword. Bargain.

What do you have against the grauniad cryptic? Apart from not seeing
enough of Araucaria? And the fact that you have to pay an exorbitant
amount to do the crossword on the web.
--
Kay

Des Higgins 11-10-2007 07:21 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 11, 1:48 pm, "Cat(h)" wrote:
On Oct 10, 8:35 pm, Des Higgins wrote:





On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "Cat(h)" wrote:


On Oct 10, 10:37 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message


.. .


On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:


On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.


A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)


Mary
gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.


and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/


which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?


But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.


Hmmm.


Cat(h)- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


How is yer heart rate after the weekend exertions? I presume you
watched a certain rugby match on Saturday night.


To my eternal shame, I missed it. I was waylaid, your Honor (and none
of your filty mind, Mister!)


Gasp!

Have you calmed down

yet.


Er. No. Not a hope tempting me from my telly on Sat night though.

I saw Frederic Michalak and his thighs and I thought of you.


I didn't think the similarities were *that* uncanny.


No no; I have never seen yer legs close up. I meant your great
passion for rugby players legs.
His was the only name I could spell quickly so I named him.

Anyway; good luck on Saturday.

Des


Cat(h) (quickly checking out the oul' quads)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -




JennyC 11-10-2007 08:27 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Uncle Marvo" wrote

When I had a BMW many years ago it was a "quality" car. Now it is the
reps' favourite :-)


Here in Holland they don't call them 'pimped' for nothing - most are indeed
owned by such chaps and they usually have the largest speakers and sound
systems available............

Jenny



Mary Fisher 12-10-2007 09:16 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"JennyC" wrote in message
...

"Uncle Marvo" wrote

When I had a BMW many years ago it was a "quality" car. Now it is the
reps' favourite :-)


Here in Holland they don't call them 'pimped' for nothing - most are
indeed owned by such chaps and they usually have the largest speakers and
sound systems available............

Jenny


Here in Chapeltown they're known as Black Man's Wheels - not the same as the
BMW childishly discussed on GQT this week.

Mary



Cat(h) 12-10-2007 10:23 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 11, 7:21 pm, Des Higgins wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:48 pm, "Cat(h)" wrote:





On Oct 10, 8:35 pm, Des Higgins wrote:


On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "Cat(h)" wrote:


On Oct 10, 10:37 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message


.. .


On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:


On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.


A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)


Mary
gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.


and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/


which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?


But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.


Hmmm.


Cat(h)- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


How is yer heart rate after the weekend exertions? I presume you
watched a certain rugby match on Saturday night.


To my eternal shame, I missed it. I was waylaid, your Honor (and none
of your filty mind, Mister!)


Gasp!

Have you calmed down


yet.


Er. No. Not a hope tempting me from my telly on Sat night though.


I saw Frederic Michalak and his thighs and I thought of you.


I didn't think the similarities were *that* uncanny.


No no; I have never seen yer legs close up. I meant your great
passion for rugby players legs.


Ahhh. Yes... I was watching TG4 the other evening, and they had a
vintage (I think early 80's - Moss Keane was on the team) Ireland/
England game on. I was amazed at seeing how different the game was
then - more fluid, less bone crushing, better technique... And very,
very short shorts - practically hot pants. Phew!



His was the only name I could spell quickly so I named him.


Chabal's quads/glutes combo isn't bad either - and easy to spell.


Anyway; good luck on Saturday.


I know this is costing you... a lot :-)

Anyway, I feel right now that I am walking way, way to the end of the
slippery plank of off-topicness, so....

Dandelion!

That ought to do it.

Cat(h)


Des



Uncle Marvo 12-10-2007 11:37 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes
In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible
questions, sometimes.

It'd be a lot more sense if you were to do the 'cryptic' and not the
'quick'. Then you'd get unambiguous clues.


I only do the cryptic. Once I've done the killer, fiendish and
whatever other Su Doku they give you, the word puzzle and the
Polygon. And been down the pub.

I don't read the paper itself, someone else has that. I pay 10p for
the Times 2 and the back page for the crossword. Bargain.

What do you have against the grauniad cryptic? Apart from not seeing
enough of Araucaria? And the fact that you have to pay an exorbitant
amount to do the crossword on the web.


And that's not enough?

My mate who kbows everything can't do this God clue.

Type

which elder gods did zeus defeat?

into Google, and feel lucky. And that chap didn't even get the same
letters!



Sacha 12-10-2007 11:41 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 12/10/07 11:37, in article , "Uncle
Marvo" wrote:

In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes
In reply to K ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

Uncle Marvo writes

That's why I do the Times, not the Grauniad. You get sensible
questions, sometimes.

It'd be a lot more sense if you were to do the 'cryptic' and not the
'quick'. Then you'd get unambiguous clues.

I only do the cryptic. Once I've done the killer, fiendish and
whatever other Su Doku they give you, the word puzzle and the
Polygon. And been down the pub.

I don't read the paper itself, someone else has that. I pay 10p for
the Times 2 and the back page for the crossword. Bargain.

What do you have against the grauniad cryptic? Apart from not seeing
enough of Araucaria? And the fact that you have to pay an exorbitant
amount to do the crossword on the web.


And that's not enough?

My mate who kbows everything can't do this God clue.

Type

which elder gods did zeus defeat?

into Google, and feel lucky. And that chap didn't even get the same
letters!


Titan

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'




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