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Stewart Robert Hinsley 06-10-2007 08:12 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In message , JennyC
writes

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"designmea" wrote
... and
maybe actually try to learn dreamweaver or similar. Ive got plenty of
time to learn, I am only 20 after all.


I use Dreamweaver, it's expensive but very easy - no need for codes (here
the IT purists will find objections but why make things more difficult
than they can be?)
Mary


Totally agree with you there Mary :~)) Give me a WYSIWYG program anytime
And you can tweak the HTML afterwards if you so desire.........
Jenny

I've been using HoTMetaL Pro for years, but I'm beginning to have
trouble with it's weak compatibility with PHP (it barfs on any "" used
in a PHP script, which means that you can't use PHP classes, and have to
be careful with how you emit HTML from PHP code). There are a number of
freeware HTML editors out there - I'm using NAMO web editor as a backup
for HoTMetaL Pro, when not using notepad or vim.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Cat(h)[_2_] 07-10-2007 12:05 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:40:43 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message
roups.com...

I wonder if the laser technology for unwanted hair removal could be
adapted...

It doesn't work.


Laser hair removal?


Yes. Believe me, I spent a lot of money on it.

Oh, good. I'll keep going with the old razor
then ;-)


I still use tweezers, don't like 5 o-clock shadow :-)


I find tweezering the pins a wee bit tedious, and the armpits
downright torture.
The last two posts are probably way too much information for most
urgers.

Cat(h)

Mary Fisher 07-10-2007 10:45 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"JennyC" wrote in message
...


Looks interesting to me :~)
Would be even better with pictures of the items........ I'm curious about
the 'ear scoops' !!!!!!!!
Jenny


Having no pictures is deliberate:

a) it would slow down the site and there are still some Neanderthals (some
would describe them) who aren't on broadband.

b) since all our items are handmade the pictures we have aren't exactly like
what we have in stock at any one time.

c) I'm happy to send any pictures to anyone.

d) most people who look at the site know what the items look like :-)

Mary



Mary Fisher 07-10-2007 10:47 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message

I find tweezering the pins a wee bit tedious, and the armpits
downright torture.


Never shaved armpits even when I had a bush but since my breast cancer
surgery - probably combined with menopause - there's nothing under there.

The last two posts are probably way too much information for most
urgers.


Not the grown up ones :-)

Mary



Sacha 07-10-2007 10:56 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 7/10/07 10:47, in article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message

I find tweezering the pins a wee bit tedious, and the armpits
downright torture.


Never shaved armpits even when I had a bush but since my breast cancer
surgery - probably combined with menopause - there's nothing under there.

The last two posts are probably way too much information for most
urgers.


Not the grown up ones :-)

Mary



!! I didn't realise being interested in other women's hairy bits was a sign
of maturity!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



CWatters[_2_] 08-10-2007 01:34 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"JennyC" wrote in message
...

"Cat(h)" wrote
I'd love it if she could design me a hoe that weeds in a permanent
fashion. Her fortune would be made.
Cat(h)


Ah ha - now that's an idea. An electric hoe like those electric grass
mowers....one that has a camera and a whole database of which plants are
weeds and which ones are plant seedlings just emerging :~)
Jenny


I'd like a rotavator that works on stone filled compacted clay. Existing
models just dance a jig on the surface.



Des Higgins 08-10-2007 04:13 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 5, 5:35 pm, "Cat(h)" wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:38 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:



"Cat(h)" wrote in message


ups.com...


On Oct 4, 3:56 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article , R.A.Omond says...


Hey, and one of us (i.e. one of me :-) is still a current
VMS consultant !


VMS - when downtime is not an option.


If you need any job control language writing I'm your man! It's been a
good few years but I'm sure the VMS grey cells are still there under the
dust :-)
Getting way off topic now, but I once wrote a very large JCL program to
monitor and regulate the system, run various jobs, backups, reports etc.
I even gave it it's own username space to run in "Marvin". It would
monitor and log off idle users and send messages to appropriate people
saying printers had run out of paper etc. It got quite chatty with one
user one day and they phoned up the I.T. dept asking to speak to Marvin
:-)


... the Paranoid Android?


You're showing your age.


:-) I'm not denying the age, but I've discovered the Hitchhiker only
about a year ago, when the new fillum (as they say here in Ireland)
came to the big screen. It wasn't part of my youth's pop culture, as
it took place away from the British Isles.
I've read the books since, and enjoyed them - though less than Terry
Pratchet's - but that's even further off topic than we've ventured so
far.

So I could be, really, really, really young... at heart... really...
honest.

Cat(h)


I got my kids into them about 6 years ago; my daughter read all 5
books in the trilogy over and over until they fell apart.




Des Higgins 08-10-2007 04:16 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 4, 3:32 pm, "R.A.Omond" wrote:
David in Normandy wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren says...


In article ,
Martin writes:
|
| Sounds like a VAX. Instead of soap, put roundup in it.
|
| or VMS.


Now, that is getting a bit too geekish :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


DEC VAX VMS. Sweet memories of a "proper" operating system.


I swear more than half the contributors to this group are either current
or ex IT.


Hey, and one of us (i.e. one of me :-) is still a current
VMS consultant !

VMS - when downtime is not an option.


hiya Roy:
hahahaha; did not take you long to notice;
I was about to e-mail you to say that VMS just got mentioned in URG.
ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
and made noises and had flashing lights.



David in Normandy[_3_] 08-10-2007 05:49 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In article .com, Des
Higgins says...
ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
and made noises and had flashing lights.



And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

Des Higgins 08-10-2007 05:54 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 8, 5:49 pm, David in Normandy wrote:
In article .com, Des
Higgins says... ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
and made noises and had flashing lights.


And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)


in 1988, I bought a 600mb disk for a vax and it was huge and cost
between 12-15kIrish pounds which, at that stage was about
10-13ksterling.


Nick Maclaren 08-10-2007 06:28 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com, Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!

Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Des Higgins 08-10-2007 06:34 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com, Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!

Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.




Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




David in Normandy[_3_] 08-10-2007 06:50 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
In article . com, Des
Higgins says...
Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


:-)

I've still got backups of some Fortran software I wrote on punched paper
rolls. There is probably no equipment left on the planet to load the
software now (unless it is in a museum).

More recently I've got stacks of backups on 5.25" disks but no hardware
to read them any more. My archive on 3.5" disks are also heading the
same way with only one computer left in my possession capable of reading
them.

Makes you wonder just how recoverable various important National
archives are? We take it for granted that various paper based records
can go back several hundred years, but what of digitally stored records?
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

CWatters[_2_] 08-10-2007 07:56 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"David in Normandy" wrote in message
...
In article . com, Des
Higgins says...
Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


:-)

I've still got backups of some Fortran software I wrote on punched paper
rolls. There is probably no equipment left on the planet to load the
software now (unless it is in a museum).


I never did get a Fortran prgram to run, but I did once enter a very brief
program into a 16 bit GEC computer using the instruction keys on the front
panel.



JennyC 08-10-2007 08:03 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"CWatters" wrote

I never did get a Fortran prgram to run, but I did once enter a very brief
program into a 16 bit GEC computer using the instruction keys on the front
panel.


I know someone who used to hard wire programs with soldering
iron............
Jenny



Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 09:29 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"JennyC" writes:
| "CWatters" wrote
|
| I never did get a Fortran prgram to run, but I did once enter a very brief
| program into a 16 bit GEC computer using the instruction keys on the front
| panel.
|
| I know someone who used to hard wire programs with soldering
| iron............

I know several, but am a bit young to have done that myself. I have
written a program using jack plugs (on an analogue computer).

I like the references to Fortran! I am currently revising a
course to teach Fortran to (graduate) students. Anyone who
needs help with that sort of thing is welcome to contact me :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 10:32 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com, Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!

Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Yes, do you remember when Radio 4 had a programme on (I think) Saturday
afternoons which was only of interest to computer owners. It broadcast a
series of whizzes and beeps which could be taped by the listener and
understood by his/her computer.

Ah, Radio 4 isn't what it used to be ...

Mary



Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 10:35 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Des Higgins" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!

Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary



Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 10:52 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

Interesting. What's the market for them? And can you read and write
cuneiform?

| A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
| attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more interest
| than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
| and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

I like that :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 11:18 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

Interesting. What's the market for them?


Museums (for education, handling boxes etc.), Roman to C15th re-enactors,
reconstructed period houses and anyone just curious. It's not a mass market
:-)

And can you read and write
cuneiform?


You don't need to, in Britain cursive script was always used.

| A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who
later
| attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
| than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
| and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

I like that :-)


So did we. So did the customer :-)

Mary



Des Higgins 09-10-2007 11:56 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Oct 9, 9:29 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,"JennyC" writes:

| "CWatters" wrote
|
| I never did get a Fortran prgram to run, but I did once enter a very brief
| program into a 16 bit GEC computer using the instruction keys on the front
| panel.
|
| I know someone who used to hard wire programs with soldering
| iron............

I know several, but am a bit young to have done that myself. I have
written a program using jack plugs (on an analogue computer).

I like the references to Fortran! I am currently revising a
course to teach Fortran to (graduate) students. Anyone who
needs help with that sort of thing is welcome to contact me :-)



this is from memory and is not accurate but have not written Fortran
since 1993:

IF(HELPFLAG.EQ.1) THEN
GOTO 10
ELSE
GOTO 11987
ENF IF
10 WRITE(5,10836) 'Help Nick'
10836 FORMAT('*')
11987 CONTINUE
STOP





Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




Des Higgins 09-10-2007 11:57 AM

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On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary

gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?



Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 12:01 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article . com,
Des Higgins writes:
|
| I like the references to Fortran! I am currently revising a
| course to teach Fortran to (graduate) students. Anyone who
| needs help with that sort of thing is welcome to contact me :-)
|
| this is from memory and is not accurate but have not written Fortran
| since 1993:
|
| IF(HELPFLAG.EQ.1) THEN
| GOTO 10
| ELSE
| GOTO 11987
| ENF IF
| 10 WRITE(5,10836) 'Help Nick'
| 10836 FORMAT('*')
| 11987 CONTINUE
| STOP

You do, indeed, need help :-) See http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/courses/.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 12:49 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Des Higgins" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary

gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


??

The melting point of beeswax is c70C. Mice aren't interested, not that we
have any as far as I know. If we have they're finding nutrition somewhere
else.

Mary



Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 01:21 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| The melting point of beeswax is c70C. Mice aren't interested, not that we
| have any as far as I know. If we have they're finding nutrition somewhere
| else.

Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what circumstances.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 04:17 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| The melting point of beeswax is c70C. Mice aren't interested, not that
we
| have any as far as I know. If we have they're finding nutrition
somewhere
| else.

Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what circumstances.


They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite and
usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.

Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)

Mary



Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 04:34 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what circumstances.
|
| They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite and
| usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.
|
| Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)

They eat beeswax candles.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Sacha 09-10-2007 05:22 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 9/10/07 16:34, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what circumstances.
|
| They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite and
| usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.
|
| Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)

They eat beeswax candles.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


You put mouse guards on bee hives to over-winter them - shame you can't do
it on vestries. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Des Higgins 09-10-2007 05:28 PM

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On Oct 9, 12:01 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article . com,Des Higgins writes:

|
| I like the references to Fortran! I am currently revising a
| course to teach Fortran to (graduate) students. Anyone who
| needs help with that sort of thing is welcome to contact me :-)
|
| this is from memory and is not accurate but have not written Fortran
| since 1993:
|
| IF(HELPFLAG.EQ.1) THEN
| GOTO 10
| ELSE
| GOTO 11987
| ENF IF
| 10 WRITE(5,10836) 'Help Nick'
| 10836 FORMAT('*')
| 11987 CONTINUE
| STOP

You do, indeed, need help :-) Seehttp://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/courses/.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


Were you appalled by the bad structure or the bad grammar? Both were
pretty dire. I struggled to remember the syntax. I used to write huge
wadges of the stuff (it looked nicer than above) but the last program
I wrote was in Python and that was 8 years ago.
These days I just sit at a PC looking perplexed.

Des



Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 07:54 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what
circumstances.
|
| They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite and
| usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.
|
| Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)

They eat beeswax candles.


Evidence?

Mary


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 07:56 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| | Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what
| circumstances.
| |
| | They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite and
| | usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.
| |
| | Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)
|
| They eat beeswax candles.
|
| Evidence?

Personal, historic and second-hand. The books you don't read are
very good sources of information on such mundane issues :-) I have
also had beeswax candles eaten by mice, and have known other people
who have, too.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Mary Fisher 09-10-2007 08:02 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| | Mice certainly do eat beeswax, but I don't know under what
| circumstances.
| |
| | They will eat comb, either in or outside a hive. It's easy to bite
and
| | usually contains somethiing nice - honey, pollen or larvae.
| |
| | Great chunks of solid wax - from 1 to 60 lbs are not as easy :-)
|
| They eat beeswax candles.
|
| Evidence?

Personal, historic and second-hand. The books you don't read are
very good sources of information on such mundane issues :-) I have
also had beeswax candles eaten by mice, and have known other people
who have, too.


I make hundreds of beeswax candles a yar, possibly thousands this year.
They've never been eaten.

What books would you suggest? I have quite a large collection :-)

Tallow candles were eaten by mice and rats, which is one reason why they
were not stored for long and then out of reach of rodents.

Nobody I know has had beeswax candles eaten by rodents.

Incidentally Prices Candles used to make tallow candles for HM Forces and
arctic/Antarctic explorers. They were VAT zero rated because they were made
from food.

Mary


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




Nick Maclaren 09-10-2007 08:43 PM

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In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| I make hundreds of beeswax candles a yar, possibly thousands this year.
| They've never been eaten.
|
| What books would you suggest? I have quite a large collection :-)

I am getting too old. My memory of "where" is not what it was.
If I recall, it was in some 19th century childrens' books and others
that had references to empty houses. Beeswax was the standard hard
wax in the UK before the industrial revolution.

| Tallow candles were eaten by mice and rats, which is one reason why they
| were not stored for long and then out of reach of rodents.

Oh, indeed. They were actually nutritous. They also rot in warm,
humid conditions.

| Nobody I know has had beeswax candles eaten by rodents.

I have seen that - but am not prepared to swear that the mice regarded
them as MUCH more edible than PVC. The damage was the amount that is
typical for potatoes or PVC.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Cat(h)[_2_] 09-10-2007 09:16 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary

gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?




Cat(h)[_2_] 09-10-2007 09:20 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article .com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!


Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.


Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.


I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary

gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs, and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum - which can be composted in the end.
But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)

Alan Holmes[_2_] 09-10-2007 10:55 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 7/10/07 10:47, in article
,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message

I find tweezering the pins a wee bit tedious, and the armpits
downright torture.


Never shaved armpits even when I had a bush but since my breast cancer
surgery - probably combined with menopause - there's nothing under there.

The last two posts are probably way too much information for most
urgers.


Not the grown up ones :-)

Mary



!! I didn't realise being interested in other women's hairy bits was a
sign
of maturity!


Oh dear, that means I must now be mature!



Sacha 09-10-2007 11:02 PM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 
On 9/10/07 22:55, in article , "Alan
Holmes" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 7/10/07 10:47, in article
,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message

I find tweezering the pins a wee bit tedious, and the armpits
downright torture.

Never shaved armpits even when I had a bush but since my breast cancer
surgery - probably combined with menopause - there's nothing under there.

The last two posts are probably way too much information for most
urgers.

Not the grown up ones :-)

Mary



!! I didn't realise being interested in other women's hairy bits was a
sign
of maturity!


Oh dear, that means I must now be mature!



"other women's", Alan, therefore not your problem. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



JennyC 10-10-2007 07:41 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Des Higgins" wrote
Were you appalled by the bad structure or the bad grammar? Both were
pretty dire. I struggled to remember the syntax. I used to write huge
wadges of the stuff (it looked nicer than above) but the last program
I wrote was in Python and that was 8 years ago.
These days I just sit at a PC looking perplexed.
Des


I know the feeling. Business Basic was my poison and now I open the
Microsoft magazine that sometimes arrives in the mail and have no idea what
they are on about :~(
Jenny



Mary Fisher 10-10-2007 10:37 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:57:27 -0700, Des Higgins
wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:35 am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Des Higgins" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Oct 8, 6:28 pm, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article ,
David in Normandy writes:
| In article
.com,
Des
| Higgins says...
| ahhhhhhhhh when computers were easy to use and were proper big
things
| and made noises and had flashing lights.
|
| And carrying a backup disk to the fire safe made your arms ache!

Ah, you youngsters! Mountable disks are a recent development, and
traditional backups were on tape.

Tape?? Tape?? Luxury; in my day we had to take the hot valves from
the glass blowing department and design our own circuits and invent
computers and keep the operating system in our heads (backwards
because that was how you loaded it). We had to wait 40 years before
tape was invented. We had wax tablets and small boys as back up.

I MAKE wax tablets - and the styli.

A couple of years ago we made some for a top computer 'expert' who later
attended a US computer convention and caused astonishment and more
interest
than the speaker when everyone else in the audience opened their lap
tops
and he pulled out his codex of tabulae :-)

Mary

gasp :-)
do you have to keep them in the fridge on a hot day or keep them away
from mice?


If they melt, you can make them into very good earplugs,


How can you make tabulae into earplugs? And at body temperature beeswax is
too hard for earplugs - I've tried it.

and when
you're finished with them a few drops of mint oil and they make
spiffing chewing gum -


Why bother adding flavour? Beeswax tastes delicious as it is/

which can be composted in the end.


Why compost? Why not swallow it?

But the wastrel that you are would now know anything about that...
Cat(h) (I think Desmond is taking the Michael. He only does it very
very rarely and you have to be really careful to notice.)


He doesn't do it very well.

Mary



Mary Fisher 10-10-2007 10:39 AM

Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:
|
| I make hundreds of beeswax candles a year, possibly thousands this
year.
| They've never been eaten.
|
| What books would you suggest? I have quite a large collection :-)

I am getting too old. My memory of "where" is not what it was.
If I recall, it was in some 19th century childrens' books and others
that had references to empty houses.


I doubt that wax would have been left in empty houses.

Beeswax was the standard hard
wax in the UK before the industrial revolution.


You think I don't know that? :-)

| Tallow candles were eaten by mice and rats, which is one reason why
they
| were not stored for long and then out of reach of rodents.

Oh, indeed. They were actually nutritous. They also rot in warm,
humid conditions.

| Nobody I know has had beeswax candles eaten by rodents.

I have seen that - but am not prepared to swear that the mice regarded
them as MUCH more edible than PVC. The damage was the amount that is
typical for potatoes or PVC.


So that - and your C19th children's books, are your evidence?

I asked for evidence. I doubt that you'd accept that :-)

Mary




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