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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:13:02 GMT, Eddy
wrote: Hi Bob, This is off-topic but as other replies appear to have been allowed I would like to add my view. I see that the objectives at the petition-site are "to create a new public holiday, the National Remembrance Holiday, to commemorate The Fallen and our Nation, with the holiday falling on the second Monday in November each year, the day after Remembrance Sunday". I totally agree with the objective "to commemorate The Fallen and our Nation". However, I don't believe that we do that adequately at present and I don't believe that creating a holiday a day AFTER Remembrance Sunday would encourage us to do it any more decently. I used to be a teacher at a good number of schools (primary and secondary) and universities, until a few years ago and I was, and am still, appalled at how most young people have little knowledge of and regard for the extraordinary sacrifice that was made for the freedom from Nazi domination which we all enjoy today. (Let's not forget the Nazis dominated Europe and got as far as invading and occupying our Channel Islands and it is a miracle we managed to beat them back!) But, of course, it is not just young people who disregard the efforts of those who fought. Large numbers of middle-aged people, those of us in our 50s and 60s, who were born shortly after the war, also show scant regard for the heroes of both world wars. For proof, simply keep an eye on any cenotaph round the country on Remembrance Sunday! The crowds which gather are SHAMEFULLY small. I know young people who regard those folks standing round cenotaphs in silence on Remembrance Sunday mornings as a load of old nutters. So the challenge is "how to get the nation to actively observe the commemorations of Remembrance Sunday". If the nation can manage to get out of bed and genuinely do that for ten years on the trot, THEN I would say a new public holiday could then be linked to Remembrance Sunday. Whether we should have or deserve an extra day off work is a separate matter. To me it seems the UK seems to be binging itself silly without any need for an extra holiday. Eddy. I am very much in favour of Remembrance for the fallen. However it seems to me from the commercial support for the petition that this is being used as an excuse, a label, for just another public holiday. It will be used as an excuse for various commercial, consumer-oriented activities that have nothing to do with Remembrance. Christmas and Easter are bank holidays because they are religious festivals, but only a minority use them to go to church. The majority use them as an opportunity for parties. If we have a Remembrance day off work, I believe the majority will also use that for parties. Is that what we want? |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
"Fuschia" wrote in message ... I am very much in favour of Remembrance for the fallen. However it seems to me from the commercial support for the petition that this is being used as an excuse, a label, for just another public holiday. It will be used as an excuse for various commercial, consumer-oriented activities that have nothing to do with Remembrance. Christmas and Easter are bank holidays because they are religious festivals, but only a minority use them to go to church. The majority use them as an opportunity for parties. If we have a Remembrance day off work, I believe the majority will also use that for parties. Is that what we want? Well said. That is why I will not sign the petition Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:21:07 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote: "Fuschia" wrote in message .. . I am very much in favour of Remembrance for the fallen. However it seems to me from the commercial support for the petition that this is being used as an excuse, a label, for just another public holiday. It will be used as an excuse for various commercial, consumer-oriented activities that have nothing to do with Remembrance. Christmas and Easter are bank holidays because they are religious festivals, but only a minority use them to go to church. The majority use them as an opportunity for parties. If we have a Remembrance day off work, I believe the majority will also use that for parties. Is that what we want? Well said. That is why I will not sign the petition Mike I am old enough to remember Armistice Day observance in the late 1930s and early 40s because my father had been wounded in the first world war and felt deeply about Armistice Day. It always happened on 11 Nov at 11 am and that fixed time was its great strength. It was the way that virtually everything stopped for those two minutes which made a huge impression - there were parades and services but it was the almost universal observance of the 2 minutes silence no matter what was otherwise happening that mattered most. Shops stopped, cars stopped, even buses, but not trains although a station departure would be delayed. Turn that into a day off and nobody will observe that crucial two minutes silence. Just to touch on another part of this thread, the Remembrance Day service at the war memorial in my small town has been attended by increasing numbers in recent years and all ages are present. Guy Gorton |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
Guy Gorton wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:21:07 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote: "Fuschia" wrote in message ... I am very much in favour of Remembrance for the fallen. However it seems to me from the commercial support for the petition that this is being used as an excuse, a label, for just another public holiday. It will be used as an excuse for various commercial, consumer-oriented activities that have nothing to do with Remembrance. Christmas and Easter are bank holidays because they are religious festivals, but only a minority use them to go to church. The majority use them as an opportunity for parties. If we have a Remembrance day off work, I believe the majority will also use that for parties. Is that what we want? Well said. That is why I will not sign the petition Mike I am old enough to remember Armistice Day observance in the late 1930s and early 40s because my father had been wounded in the first world war and felt deeply about Armistice Day. It always happened on 11 Nov at 11 am and that fixed time was its great strength. It was the way that virtually everything stopped for those two minutes which made a huge impression - there were parades and services but it was the almost universal observance of the 2 minutes silence no matter what was otherwise happening that mattered most. Shops stopped, cars stopped, even buses, but not trains although a station departure would be delayed. Turn that into a day off and nobody will observe that crucial two minutes silence. Just to touch on another part of this thread, the Remembrance Day service at the war memorial in my small town has been attended by increasing numbers in recent years and all ages are present. My eyes were opened by reading this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldier-Neil.../dp/038560453X The section on national grief and rememberance in the 20's/30's humbled me. |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
The section on national grief and rememberance in the 20's/30's humbled me. Possibly because of this? (Part of one of my lectures) ..July 1st 1916 ..First day of the Battle of the Somme. ..57,470 casualties. ..19,240 dead. ..'Just pour more men in' ..885,138 Military Deaths in WW1(All Services) Kind regard Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
'Mike' wrote:
The section on national grief and rememberance in the 20's/30's humbled me. Possibly because of this? (Part of one of my lectures) .July 1st 1916 .First day of the Battle of the Somme. .57,470 casualties. .19,240 dead. .'Just pour more men in' .885,138 Military Deaths in WW1(All Services) Kind regard Mike I had a pretty good grasp of the battlefield casualties - what was humbling was the concept of national remembrance and the idea of the unknown soldier.... Tens of thousands of Mothers queuing for hours on end to pass the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as it 'could be' their son, families visiting the battlefields for many years attempting to discover where their Son/Brother/Father may have been buried, the temporary plaster Cenotaph being replaced by stone as it became an unexpected focus of remembrance for years past it's due. And so on.... As I say, a book I'd wholeheartedly recommend. |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
On 15 Jan, 10:08, " cupra" wrote:
My eyes were opened by reading this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldier-Neil.../dp/038560453X The section on national grief and rememberance in the 20's/30's humbled me. Strangely the Guardian week end gave a couple of articles on this topic, the first which moved me so much I circulated it in my household and the second, The hardest night of their life, the last mission of a troup of soldiers in Afganistan last year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...238507,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...238511,00.html |
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OT Remembrance Monday Bank Holiday petition
wrote:
On 15 Jan, 10:08, " cupra" wrote: My eyes were opened by reading this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldier-Neil.../dp/038560453X The section on national grief and rememberance in the 20's/30's humbled me. Strangely the Guardian week end gave a couple of articles on this topic, the first which moved me so much I circulated it in my household and the second, The hardest night of their life, the last mission of a troup of soldiers in Afganistan last year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...238507,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...238511,00.html Both very different, and very sobering, stories. |
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