On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

You will get a lot of good advice if you ask the guys over at the
alt.html.critique newsgroup.

On Jul 23, 8:56 am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:

It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

You will get a lot of good advice if you ask the guys over at the
alt.html.critique newsgroup.

Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

and so say all of us Sacha friends and family, great site and very
tempting. I cant have any more plants as we are hoping to be moving to
Scotland as soon as we sell this one - anyone want a house in sunny
Gloucestershire ? - however I will be picking your brains as and when we get
to where we are going :-)

kate

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote:


snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

and so say all of us Sacha friends and family, great site and very
tempting. I cant have any more plants as we are hoping to be moving to
Scotland as soon as we sell this one - anyone want a house in sunny
Gloucestershire ? - however I will be picking your brains as and when we get
to where we are going :-)

kate

I've had some very helpful email with regard the technical aspects of the
site, optimising its viewing etc. I'm extremely grateful for that, as well
as for the kind comments from the less techie types. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 23/7/08 15:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:11 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote:


snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

and so say all of us Sacha friends and family, great site and very
tempting. I cant have any more plants as we are hoping to be moving to
Scotland as soon as we sell this one - anyone want a house in sunny
Gloucestershire ? - however I will be picking your brains as and when we get
to where we are going :-)

kate

I've had some very helpful email with regard the technical aspects of the
site, optimising its viewing etc. I'm extremely grateful for that, as well
as for the kind comments from the less techie types. ;-)

Your little helper?

A lurking expert little helper. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 23/07/08 16:26, Sacha wrote:
On 23/7/08 15:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:11 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote:

snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

I strongly urge Sacha to submit the site for critical review at both:

alt.html
alt.html.critique

It will be interesting to see the results if they dare do that!!!


The site does not work under my pc configuration. Other potential
customers will find the same.

And because it is a business site then it needs to work effectively
across all common web browsers otherwise you cut off a lot of potential
trade.

This isn't the place to discusses the technicalities of web page design
and I'm not going there. But if I spent money to people to build this
website, then I would wont a refund!

However, I'd rather talk about how runner beans and early potatoes are
doing this year!

LOL!!

Ed

On 23/7/08 17:22, in article net, "Ed"
ex@directory wrote:

On 23/07/08 16:26, Sacha wrote:
On 23/7/08 15:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:11 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote:

snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

I strongly urge Sacha to submit the site for critical review at both:

alt.html
alt.html.critique
snip
I appreciate the interest, Ed but my experience of discussing computer
matters on the web is that WW3 breaks out because everyone thinks they're an
expert. I've had some very helpful comments from another professional
designer and am following those lines.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On Jul 23, 5:22 pm, Ed ex@directory wrote:
On 23/07/08 16:26, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 15:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:11 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article , "Kate
Morgan" wrote:

snip

Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith

I strongly urge Sacha to submit the site for critical review at both:

alt.html
alt.html.critique

It will be interesting to see the results if they dare do that!!!

The site does not work under my pc configuration. Other potential
customers will find the same.

And because it is a business site then it needs to work effectively
across all common web browsers otherwise you cut off a lot of potential
trade.

This isn't the place to discusses the technicalities of web page design
and I'm not going there. But if I spent money to people to build this
website, then I would wont a refund!

However, I'd rather talk about how runner beans and early potatoes are
doing this year!

LOL!!

Ed

My runner beans are not doing well how are yours. BTW I still think
it is an ace site and if I wanted to order something, as a potential
customer, I found it easy.

Judith

On 23/07/08 17:45, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:22:18 +0100, Ed ex@directory wrote:

On 23/07/08 16:26, Sacha wrote:
On 23/7/08 15:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:11 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 23/7/08 11:52, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote:

snip


Ed, how so as I found it easy to navigate and easy to use? I thought
it was a superb and professional piece of work.

Judith
I strongly urge Sacha to submit the site for critical review at both:

alt.html
alt.html.critique

It will be interesting to see the results if they dare do that!!!


The site does not work under my pc configuration. Other potential
customers will find the same.

It works for me with WinXP SP3 and the current versions of Firefox IE7 and
Opera.

Maybe you should post your PC configuration?

No, no. this is not an IT site. We talk gardening here.

But for some inexplicable reason, Sacha has not yet put up the site for
critique as I advised.

I am amazed that has not been done without delay cos they are loosing
customers.

Ed

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice. Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article ,
"gavin" wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice. Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).


I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).


I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

On 24/7/08 22:07, in article ,
"gavin" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).


I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!


I am accusing you of nothing more than becoming a little over excited.
This is not a group that discusses web sites and their construction. The
reason I wrote to this group about our work in progress is because it is for
gardeners and I have been a member of the group for a few years before I
married my husband, the owner of the Nursery. Most of the people here can be
relied upon, for me, to give me an honest opinion. Many have known me for
years on group and/or we have met personally.
I am sure that your intentions are entirely straightforward but I would
prefer that you do not use our web site as an experimental or 'teaching'
organ. And I cannot be the only person to have noticed that in your
relatively short post you have thrice recommended yourself as a website
builder on the back of our web site. Again, I would prefer that you don't
use my posts to do that.
Thank you.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 24/7/08 22:07, in article
,

I am accusing you of nothing more than becoming a little over excited.

Over excited???? I'm not even excited let alone over excited. I don't see
where you ge that idea from. I would say that it is you who has got hot
under the collar.




This is not a group that discusses web sites and their construction.

Correct - hence I was the one that added "OT" to the subject line!




I am sure that your intentions are entirely straightforward

My interntions were to give you the benefit of my knowledge as I work in web
developemnt. But if your mind is closed ot that I won't lose any sleep over
it.



but I would
prefer that you do not use our web site as an experimental or 'teaching'
organ.

What gives you the idea that I would do that? I don't even know what you
mean. I reall coudn't care less about your little website.




And I cannot be the only person to have noticed that in your
relatively short post you have thrice recommended yourself as a website
builder on the back of our web site.

Nope. I haven't recommended myself as a website builder. I don't build
websites. Show me where I have done that once let alone thrice. Please learn
to read, Sacha, before you start accusing people. You know what of what you
speak. Shame.

On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

...



On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

Gavin, dear one, the site needs no defence. Goodnight from La Belle
France.

Juditgh